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Gene: I can’t understand why Mike who seems so intellegent, can’t come to understand that, even with the ISS, giving us 24/7 coverage of it. Now that’s a mystery to me.
We’re currently in the process of unraveling a bunch of mysteries in our private thread, Gene. I’m sure we’ll eventually get to this one too. 😎
Mike: So according to you, Yahweh HAD TO use the plural “days”, right?
Carmel: WRONG AGAIN! FROM YAHWEH’S PERSPECTIVE!
I see. So although your argument has been thoroughly defeated, you think you can just insert “from Yahweh’s perspective” and make everything okay?
As if YOU have any inkling of how Yahweh perceived the DAYS of rebuilding the walls of Jerusalem – which He called the DAY of rebuilding your walls.
Dude, you really need to up your game. You can’t just up and claim, “Well, although the evidence seems to be clearly on your side, Mike, I have personal insight into how God understands things, and therefore I’m right and you’re wrong.”
Come on, man. At least TRY to do better than that. 😁
Carmel: BY THE WAY, ON PAGE 92 I ASKED YOU:
FIND A SCRIPTURE THAT MAKES USE OF THE WORDS
TOHU VA BOHU AND IT IS NOT A REFERENCE TO
CONFUSION, CHAOS, WASTE, AND A NEGATIVE STATE OR REFERENCE!
SO, ARE YOU STILL SEARCHING?
I already addressed it in great detail, using YOUR OWN source! He points out that the LXX says the earth was “empty and invisible” (tohu and bohu). And since the dry ground (which is the earth – as always separate from the sea in scripture) was indeed hidden under the waters at the time, it was empty and unable to be seen at that time.
But the main point (the MEAT of the issue) is that the word “earth” refers ONLY to the dry ground on which we live in the Bible. So it doesn’t matter if we use the popular “formless and void” either, because at the time that God’s Spirit was hovering over the waters, the dry ground had no form, and was void of any living thing on it. It only took form on day 3, and ceased to be void on that very day by the creation of vegetation.
If you want, you can go back and find the post (it was a novel!) where I used your own source to refute yet another of your nonsensical claims.
Gene: I deffenitly believe the earth “came to be”, tohu and bohu, void and corupted, the key word in Gen 1:2, is the word “was” that word means it “came to be” that…
For Gene, the key is the word “was”, which apparently means “came to be” in Gen 1:2… but most definitely DOESN’T mean “came to be” in John 1:1! 😁
Thank God we now have our private thread, Gene. You might remember that this particular point has already been queued up by me for further discussion in the future. But we’re in the process of frying other fish first, right? 😉
But oh what a pure joy it will be after these fish have all been fried, and I no longer have to scroll through some thread, only to discover that Gene has once again posted the VERY thing that had already been thoroughly refuted by me or someone else many times before.
I truly look forward to that day.
Pretender: Flat earth…
Who’s that? Has Pretender finally crawled out from the rock he’s been hiding under to try to steer attention away from his humiliating ongoing defeat in the “Bible Vs Scientism” debate? I knew it’d only be a matter of time before he did exactly this.
But hey there Pretender, now that you got a much needed “atta boy” from Gene, maybe you could start answering the questions in our Hot Seat thread… you know, the ones your own rules say you have to answer before posting anything else anywhere else on HN?
What do you say, sport?
(If you want, you can just copy and paste my answers to the 4 questions that have been waiting for you. You can find those answers at the bottom of the second post on the previous page of this very thread.)
(If you want, you can just copy and paste my answers to the 4 questions that have been waiting for you. You can find those answers at the bottom of the second post on the previous page of this very thread.)
Should be one question and you should answer my question. Keep things tidy. Nobody wants to spend half their life answering silly questions. One at a time is doable. Let me know when your house is in order.
Pretender: Should be one question…
So you’ve gotten tired of not giving people smart-ass quips around here – but still aren’t man enough to follow your own rules and answer some very easy questions, huh? 😂🤣 I knew that would happen. You tried to post a few things on lesser-viewed topics to stay hidden, but missed the “greater than thou” feeling you get when you try to belittle others with your “superior intellect”, didn’t you?
Pretender: …you should answer my question.
Who do you think you are fooling with that nonsense? I posted our PM thread here, dude. Anyone who reads this thread has already seen how I not only answered your question multiple times, but how I even drew you a map to exactly where the answer was – including the actual post number, the page of the thread it is on, and the number of post it is on that page! Hell, I even screenshot the answer and posted it here – second post down on the previous page!
Oh, and they also saw how YOU just kept asking if I had answered it over and over – despite me telling you that I did over and over, and repeatedly showing you where the answer was in the manner I just described above.
And now, more than a month later, after asking countless times if I had answered it, and being told countless times that I did and where exactly to find that answer… you’re going to pipe in on this thread and ask the same damn thing again? Stall much? 😆😁
Pretender: Nobody wants to spend half their life answering silly questions.
Half their life? I answered all four of them for you in 90 seconds. 😅
Pretender: One at a time is doable.
Well, if you had answered the first one a month ago, it’d be done. And if you had answered the second one 3 weeks ago, it’d be done. And so on and so forth. The only reason there are four of them now is because you haven’t answered ANY of them for six weeks!
Pretender: Let me know when your house is in order.
You mean let you know yet again where my answer to your question is? Okay, for the seventh time, here is your question and my answer to it…
Pretender: In Genesis 2:4, how many days does it say took place for God to create the heaven and earth, and how many hours does that equal?
Mike: Gen 2:4 doesn’t mention a specific number of days, but instead uses the common idiom “in the day”, which intentionally refers to a general, unspecified time period. The second part of the question isn’t any more applicable than the first, for the reason already mentioned above.
Another example would be, “during the flood of Noah’s day”. How many days was “Noah’s day”? How many hours does “Noah’s day” equal?
It is a nonsensical question akin to someone asking, “How many grapes in a bunch?” or “How many grains of salt in a dash?” The terms “bunch” and “dash” are intentionally vague to give a general idea without having to identify a specific number of grapes or grains of salt.
Likewise, a person could say, “Prohibition was in effect during my grandma’s day”. Wording it thusly gives the listener the general period of time (two or three generations ago) without the speaker having to provide the exact day/hour that prohibition officially began and ended in America.
Can you see it now, Pretender? Keep in mind that this was the THIRD answer I gave to the same question… because you kept somehow being “unable” to find my answers. And this THIRD answer was given on April 18th… 34 freaking days ago!
Btw, it’s been 42 days since I first asked the very first question in my current list of four questions. That means you’ve had 10.5 days to answer each one of those questions – and have failed miserably at such a simple task. Especially considering that it took me 90 seconds to honestly answer all four of them. What a joke! 😁
But okay… not that your word means anything at all to anyone here any more, we’ve all just seen you say that “One at a time is doable”.
So here we go again. Here is my ONE question for you that you MUST answer before posting anything else anywhere else on HN…
PROCLAIMER, DOES THE PLURAL WORD “DAYS” EVER REFER TO ANYTHING OTHER THAN LITERAL DAYS IN THE BIBLE? YES OR NO? AND IF YES, SHOW THE SCRIPTURE(S), including their clear and undeniable indication that the “days” in question are, without a doubt, not literal days.
I have just re-posted your question and my answer to it in the private thread. It is now the second to last post on the thread itself, and so shouldn’t take you another 34 days to find it this time.
And I have also just re-posted my question above on the private thread. It is the very last post on the thread itself, and so shouldn’t take you another 42 days to find it and answer it.
You’ve been hiding long enough, Pretender. Time to man up now. Tick tock…
Hi Mike,
Me: YOU REALLY DISAPPOINT ME, IN A WAY, CONSIDERING THE FACT that you yourself,
ATTENTION PLEASE:
ESTABLISHED yourself as wise in relation to the worldly wisdom, NOTHING OF GOD, and
MADE yourself an enemy of GOD, BY YOUR OWN CORRUPTED WISDOM. Well clear in
Romans 8:For the wisdom of the flesh is death; but the wisdom of the spirit is life and peace. 7Because the wisdom of the flesh is an enemy to God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither can it be. 8And they who are in the flesh, cannot please God.
Mike, you are so drunk on the grammar, idioms, and all the rest of worldly literature, that you are not realizing that we are discussing GOD’S LITERATURE, OR MORE PRECISE
GOD’S SPIRITUAL WORD!
NOW GOD IS SUBJECT TO NEITHER ANY GRAMMAR NOR ANY SYSTEMS OF THE WORLD.
THE FACT THAT A STUPID PERSON AND A SINNER LIKE ME IS REVEALING
MYSTERIES OF GOD, HUMBLY SPEAKING. of which at least 80% are past revelations already revealed by others.
Reading scripture, we are aware that EVEN A MERE DOT, THE NUMBER OF THE VERSE, BLOCK CAPITALS, and SO ON ARE SUBJECT TO A DIFFERENT MEANING. Also, you keep on altering and pushing the text to say things which in fact it is not saying!
In relation to God’s WORD!
NOW TO REMIND YOU: Just read THIS SCRIPTURE HEREUNDER:
LUKE 23:43 And Jesus said to him:
Amen I say to thee,
this day thou shalt be with me in paradise.
Now you suggested moving the comma, IRONICALLY, after the word,
“DAY” SIMPLY TO PLEASE YOUR CORRUPTED WISDOM OF THE WORLD AND IGNORE
THE TRUTH OF GOD!
The fact that YOU NEVER SEE GOD’S WORK, AND STILL UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF
THE FLESH SUSTAINED ON MILK!
YOU: You answered: “NOT PRECISELY”, and then tried to go down yet another irrelevant tangent about how it means something different
when heaven is mentioned before earth than it means when earth is mentioned before heaven.
I’m afraid IT DOES Mr. Milk, WITH EVERY RESPECT!
You: No more tangents until you elaborate on your “NOT PRECISELY” answer.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, YOU HAVE TO GIVE ME YOUR WORLDLY WISDOM PERCEPTION AS I ASKED YOU TO DO! READ HEREUNDER:
You: And then so naturally, the following detailed account will speak of BOTH of these heavens and BOTH of these earths, right?
Does it?
NOT PRECISELY!
NOTICE:ALL VERSIONS HAVE THE SECOND PART WRITTEN AS
THE EARTH AND THE HEAVENS, WHILE THE FIRST PART IS WRITTEN AS
THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH!
ANSWER: WHAT IS THE REASON THAT IT IS WRITTEN IN THAT MANNER?
WHY NOT BOTH THE SAME, I MEAN,
BOTH WRITTEN AS
THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH?
I AM WAITING FOR YOUR PERCEPTION NOW!
WITH THE HOPE THAT YOU LOOK AT THE SCRIPTURE
FROM THE EYE OF THE TRUTH!
YOU: Why exactly DOESN’T the following detailed account includes details about two different worlds
THER YOU ARE!
IT IS THERE, IT’S ONLY YOU CANNOT SEE IT!
– if Gen 2:4 is a summary statement about two different worlds?
NO MIKE, IT IS NOT A SUMMARY!
IT IS ONLY A MERE, NORMAL, AND COMMON INTRODUCTION TO WHAT IS TO FOLLOW, ATTENTION PLEASE:
WHICH IS THE DETAIL ACCOUNT of the ESTABLISHMENT of both the generations of; ATTENTION
THE HEAVEN AND EARTH, CREATED IN GENESIS 1:1 BY GOD THE FATHER
ALL SPIRITUAL AS MUCH AS PHYSICAL; PERFECT! and
THE EARTH AND HEAVEN, MADE IN GENESIS 1:3-31 BY “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN,
ALL PHYSICAL AS MUCH AS SPIRITUAL; VERY GOOD!
NOW JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO YOU
WHAT A SUMMARY IS,
WHEN YOU READ GENESIS 1:3-31 IT IS A PERFECT SUMMARY OF OUR SO-CALLED
SIX-DAY CREATION and the DETAIL ACCOUNT OF THIS CREATION STARTED PRECISELY IN
Genesis 2:4
I REPEAT
THE DETAIL OF OUR CREATION,
NOT THE SUMMARY!
THE FACT THAT IT STARTS AND MENTIONS TWO KINDS OF GENERATIONS,
CREATED AND MADE!
ORIGINALLY IN A PARTICULAR SPIRITUAL WAY, BOTH IN GENESIS 1:1, eventually CORRUPTED AND WELL INDICATED IN GENESIS 1:2.
READ ALL MY POST VERY, VERY, ATTENTIVE AND TOTALLY FOCUSSED NOT ON THE GRAMMAR, AND SO ON, AS ENGLISH IS NOT MY NATIVE LANGUAGE BUT
BY THE LIGHT FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE ONLY
SOURCE OF TRUTH ON THE HIDDEN MYSTERIES OF GOD, WELL CLEAR IN
John16:I2 1 have yet many things to say to you: but you cannot bear them now.
13But when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will teach you all truth.
For he shall not speak of himself; but what things soever he shall hear, (FROM YOU MIKE, FROM YOUR HEART, NOT FROM YOUR MIND) he shall speak; and the things that are to come, he shall shew you. 14He shall glorify me; because he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it to you. 15All things whatsoever the Father hath, are mine. Therefore I said, that he shall receive of mine, and shew it to you.
ANSWER; CAN YOU SEE IT NOW?
YES OR NO PLEASE AND WHY?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Mike,
You: Okay, I clearly see your CLAIMS. Now show me the scriptural support.
Show me one instance in the scriptures where the plural word “days” refers to anything other than a literal 24-hour day (or the 12-hour daylight portion of a literal 24-hour day).
Ready, set, GO!
Me: Ready, set, GO!
WHAT?
YOU SAID: “Okay, I clearly see your CLAIMS.”
IT IS WELL CLEAR TO ME THAT YOU DIDN’T SEE ANYTHING AT ALL!
HOW ON EARTH DO YOU EXPECT ME TO PRODUCE the plural word “days” refers to anything other than a literal 24-hour day (or the 12-hour daylight portion of a literal 24-hour day). WHEN FROM Genesis 2:4 commenced the actual process of the generations of HUMANS ON EARTH WHICH IS SUBJECT TO ITS OWN PROCESS IN RELATION TO ITS PROPER LITERAL 24 HOUR-DAY PERIOD AND SO ON.
IF YOU UNDERSTOOD MY CLAIM WELL I REFERRED TO THE SO-CALLED SIX-DAY CREATION OF GENESIS 1:3…
SUBJECT ONLY TO GOD’S OWN WAYS AND DAYS, WHICH ARE NOT LIKE HUMAN WAYS AND DAYS NO!
AND ENDED IN
GENESIS 2:1 So the heavens and the earth (IN GOD’S OWN WAYS and DAYS) were
FINISHED, and all the furniture of them. 2And on the seventh day God
ENDED his work which he HAD MADE: (IN Genesis 1:3-31) and he
RESTED on the SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had done. 3And he blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because in it
HE HAD RESTED FROM ALL HIS WORK WHICH
GOD CREATED AND MADE. (BOTH IN GENESIS 1:1, AND GENESIS 1:3-31 RSPECTIVELY)
OK, Mike?
NOW TO MAKE MYSELF WELL CLEAR NOTICE THE WORDS IN THE BALD TYPE
FINISHED, RESTED, CREATED, and MADE!
THUS Genesis 1:3-31 IS OVER AND DONE WITH ACCORDING TO WHAT I CLAIMED AND YOU SUPPOSED CLEARLY WELL UNDERSTOOD NO?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel: Now you suggested moving the comma, IRONICALLY, after the word,
“DAY” SIMPLY TO PLEASE YOUR CORRUPTED WISDOM OF THE WORLD AND IGNORE
THE TRUTH OF GOD!
How could I suggest MOVING a comma that wasn’t even there in the Greek text? What I suggest is that the English translators who INSERTED a comma that wasn’t there inserted it at the wrong place in the statement.
1 Peter 3:18-20… For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the spirit in which he also went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built…
Jesus didn’t go to heaven during the three days his body was in the tomb. He went and preached to the spirits in prison. So if the thief being crucified with Jesus was with Jesus that very day, then the thief would have also been in that prison of spirits where Jesus was preaching. And that doesn’t sound like “paradise” to me, Carmel.
On the other hand, Jesus ascended to heaven 40 days after he arose from the tomb. And that could indeed be considered “paradise”. So with the comma where I like it, Jesus told the thief ON THAT DAY that he would [EVENTUALLY] be with Jesus in paradise – which makes sense. With the comma where you like it, the thief went with Jesus to a spirit PRISON, which can’t rightly be considered paradise – and makes no sense.
But Carmel, the bulk of your last novel is nothing but you saying, in essence, “Mike, when you and I disagree, I’m right because I’m with God and you’re not.”
Those kinds of baseless and unsubstantiated statements have no place in our discussion – because they amount to absolutely nothing. Let’s just stick to what the scriptures actually say, okay?
Carmel: THE HEAVEN AND EARTH, CREATED IN GENESIS 1:1 BY GOD THE FATHER ALL SPIRITUAL AS MUCH AS PHYSICAL; PERFECT! and THE EARTH AND HEAVEN, MADE IN GENESIS 1:3-31 BY “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, ALL PHYSICAL AS MUCH AS SPIRITUAL; VERY GOOD!
Okay, I see the claim. And I see the scriptures that say “very good”. I DON’T see any scriptures that talk about a previous PERFECT heaven and earth. All you need to do is show those scriptures, and then explain how Satan, one of God’s creations, was able to overpower the God who created him and completely destroy God’s previous “PERFECT” earth.
Continually claiming something and taking snippets of scripture out of context is NOT proving your case. Do better.
Carmel: ALL VERSIONS HAVE THE SECOND PART WRITTEN AS
THE EARTH AND THE HEAVENS, WHILE THE FIRST PART IS WRITTEN AS
THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH!
ANSWER: WHAT IS THE REASON THAT IT IS WRITTEN IN THAT MANNER?
No particular reason at all. I can say that “Carmel and I are having a discussion”. I can say that “I and Carmel are having a discussion”. There is no secret mystery to be unlocked in my choice to list you either first or second in the statement.
Now if YOU believe the order does have some mysterious secret meaning in Gen 2:4, then just come out and say what that secret mystery is, and show the scriptural support for your claim. Then we can discuss it.
While we’re waiting for your big reveal, my point still stands as victorious: Gen 2:4 uses both created and made to speak of the same heaven and the same earth, thereby proving your “created vs made” claim to be the non-issue that it has been since you first brought it up. And don’t forget that I proved my point with other verses too, like…
Isaiah 45:18… For this is what the LORD says— he who created the heavens, he is God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited— he says: “I am the LORD, and there is no other.
Wow, just look at all those completely different things God did to the earth!
Isaiah 43:7… everyone called by My name and created for My glory, whom I have indeed formed and made.
Wow, God sure did a lot of completely different things to those people!
Carmel: SUBJECT ONLY TO GOD’S OWN WAYS AND DAYS, WHICH ARE NOT LIKE HUMAN WAYS AND DAYS NO!
The plural word “days” ALWAYS refers to literal HUMAN/EARTH/SUN days in the Bible (and in the history of the earth in general). Prove me wrong using scriptural examples.
You CLAIM that the six days of creation are something other than literal human/earth/sun days. This CLAIM is absurd for many reasons, two of which are…
1. The very word, notion, and concept of days was created by God and based solely on the light/dark-sun/earth cycles… ie: 24 hour periods on the earth. The word “days” has no other meaning. It’s not like God has His own form of “days” in heaven. So when God says He did something in six days, for example, then those six days MUST be six HUMAN/EARTH/SUN days – because there doesn’t exist any other form of “days”.
2. God directly and unequivocally EQUATED the six days during which He created/made/fashioned/formed/established the earth WITH the six literal HUMAN/EARTH/SUN days that we are to work before taking a day off.
So your CLAIM, Carmel, amounts to absolutely nothing when compared to the FACTS of the scriptures, and simple God-given common sense.
There is no such thing as “God’s own days”. There are only HUMAN/EARTH/SUN days, because it was for the earth and humans that the word and concept of “days” was even created.
Carmel: HE HAD RESTED FROM ALL HIS WORK WHICH
GOD CREATED AND MADE. (BOTH IN GENESIS 1:1, AND GENESIS 1:3-31 RSPECTIVELY)
You are making MY case for me, Carmel. Because the passage you posted says that God did X during six days, right? And it says that God both CREATED and MADE things during those same six days, right?
So if you want to claim that created speaks of one earth and made speaks of another, then you need to accept that God created one and made the other WITHIN THE SAME SIX DAYS!
Is that your claim? If not, then the passage you just posted kills two of your birds with one stone. Thanks. 😉
Hi Mike,
You: Jesus didn’t go to heaven during the three days his body was in the tomb.
Me. AS USUAL YOU ARE RELYING ON YOUR CORRUPTED WISDOM OF THE WORLD. WITH EVERY RESPECT! YOU ARE AGAIN PUTTING GOD IN THE SAME BASKET OF HUMANS!
WHO SAID SO?
WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS TRIVIAL!
JESUS REMAINED IN HEAVEN DESPITE HE CAME ON EARTH,
HE IS ETERNALLY BOTH ONE SUBSTANCE WITH AND DISTINCT FROM GOD THE FATHER.
A NOVEL!
JESUS DIDN’T COME SIMPLY TO DIE Mr. Milk!
NOW, JESUS DIED, GLORIFIED GOD MAN ON HIS DEATH, John13:31-32, LIVED AND PREACHED HIS GOSPEL IN HELL. ATTENTION PLEASE
ALL IN ONE INSTANT!
IN A TWINKLING OF AN EYE!
FOR THE FIRST-EVER TIME ON EARTH, AND FROM THEN ON IN POSSESSION OF A UNIQUE
SPIRITUAL FLESH BODY,
THE NEW JERUSALEM!
BUILT IN ONE DAY! MICAH 7:11
AT HIS DISPOSITION AS HE FEELS FIT FOR THE PLEASURE OF THE FATHER!
BY WHICH TASK, ATTENTION PLEASE:
JESUS NEVER NEEDED HIS DEAD BODY ANYMORE AS SUCH!
WHY YOU MIGHT ASK!
AS I SAID ABOVE HE WAS ALREADY IN HIS UNIQUE GLORIFIED BODY!
ANSWER Mr. RATIONAL!
WHAT DID JESUS DO WITH HIS DEAD BODY?
You: He went and preached to the spirits in prison.(HELL)
So if the thief being crucified with Jesus was with Jesus that very day,
then the thief would have also been in that prison of spirits where Jesus was preaching.
And that doesn’t sound like “paradise” to me, Carmel.
ME: I HAVE EVERY RESPECT FOR YOUR CARNAL-MINDED REASONING SINCE YOU RELY ON YOUR WORLDLY WISDOM/SATANIC!
NOW I ALREADY EXPLAINED ALL THAT WELL BACK AS USUAL IN ONE OF MY NOVELS!
SO HERE IT COMES AGAIN BUT AS BRIEFLY AS POSSIBLE!
ABOVE I SAID THAT
JESUS DIED, GLORIFIED, GOD MAN ON HIS DEATH, John13:31-32, LIVED AND PREACHED HIS GOSPEL IN HELL.
ALL IN ONE INSTANT!
IN A TWINKLING OF AN EYE!
THUS WHILE THE TWO THIEVES WERE STILL ALIVE, THE FACT THAT THEY SMASHED THEIR KNEES, FOR THE SAKE OF SECURITY, JESUS WAS CONFIRMED DEAD, AND THEY PIERCED HIM FOR THE SAKE OF ASSERTION!
THUS WHILE JESUS’BODY WAS DEAD, AS A SPIRIT, HE WAS ALREADY IN FULL FUNCTION OF HIS GLORY, THUS, BOTH IN HELL PREACHING HIS GOSPEL AND IN THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE ON EARTH PURIFIED BY HIS OWN BLOOD, UNAWARE OF FROM THEIR SIDE, WELL CLEAR IN
Luke 23:34 And Jesus said: Father, forgive them, for
THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO…
the world SPIRITUALLY was not only SAVED BUT THE NEW PARADISE AND
JESUS AS THE SOLE PROPRIETOR, BY WHICH TASK JESUS AS A SPIRIT NOT ONLY, TOPPLED SATAN BUT ALSO ERADICATED HIM AND HIS DEMONS, FROM HIS SUPPOSED PROCESS OF THE WORLD, Luke 17:20-37
AND MOST VITAL SATAN REMAINED LOCKED WITHIN JESUS DEAD BODY! PRACTICALLY DEAD!
GOD’SKINGOM CAME,
GOD’S WILL WAS ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN Mr. MIKE!
SATAN WAS FIRST CAST DOWN FROM HEAVEN AND ON JESUS DEATH HE WAS CAST OUT FROM THIS WORLD! WELL ASSERTED IN
John12:31Now is the judgment of the world:
now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth,
will draw all things to myself.
IN A TWINKLING OF AN EYE!
NOW TO YOUR NONSENSICAL REASONING REGARDING
GOD’S SPIRITUAL TASKS!
NOW I JUST SAID THAT JESUS WAS EMBODIED IN THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE AS
THE SOLE SOVEREIGN SPIRIT IN ALL SOULS!
AND ALSO THAT THE WORLD WAS THE NEW PARADISE AT LEAST TILL PENTECOST!
NOW
The thief’s soul was not AN EXCEPTION!
And while he was still alive, the fact that the soldiers smashed his knees,
HE felt nothing AT ALL, in FULL ecstasy, by God’s grace he SAW and EXPERIENCED God’s kingdom ON EARTH, thus
The thief was
WITH JESUS IN PARADISE, that same day, on that same moment on the cross!
Both in his soul and in front of his eyes.
Predicted by Jesus in
Mark 9:1 Amen, I say to you, that there are some of them that stand here, who shall not taste death,
till they see the kingdom of God coming in power.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
The first video is Mark Sargent being interviewed.
The second video is about aliens.
Mike, how do aliens fit into the flat earth model?
Hi Mike,
You: I see. So although your argument has been thoroughly defeated,
Me: BUT THAT’S ONLY FROM YOUR SIDE, AND ACCORDING TO YOUR CARNAL MIND SUSTAINED ON MILK I’M AFRAID, IN THE SAME WAY WHEN YOU ALSO BLATANTLY SAID
So thanks for helping me win the war.
Me: AS YOU WILL READ, THE WAR FROM MY SIDE Mike, IS STILL IN FULL SWING!
And you will also be aware that I’M WINNING!
Now read again what I posted and you ignored for a reason only you know!
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/in+the+day
IN THE DAY
Phrase not found in the Dictionary and Encyclopedia.
OK Mike, the phrase: “IN THE DAY” IS NOT EVEN AN IDIOM!
MICAH 7:11 WHICH YOU PRODUCED, IS NOT VALID AT ALL IN RELATION TO WHAT I ASKED YOU!
NOW TO CUT IT SHORT!
PRODUCE PROOF, IN THE SAME WAY, I DID ABOVE,
THAT THE PHRASE
“IN THE DAY”,
OR
“IN THAT DAY” ARE IDIOMS!
This is just another CLEAR example of your word game diversions that really have to do with the milk you prefer to have instead of the meat that you should be fed upon of our discussion.
So now I still want a scriptural example! Okay?
Mike, TO KEEP ON SEARCHING!
NEVER MIND YOU WON THE WAR!
You: you think you can just insert “from Yahweh’s perspective” and make everything okay?
As if YOU have any inkling of how Yahweh
PERCEIVED
the DAYS of rebuilding the walls of Jerusalem –
DEFINITELY, Mike,
FIRST AND FOREMOST! I SHOULDN’T DISCUSS MICAH 7:11 SINCE IT IS NOT VALID!
NEVERTHELESS, READ AGAIN WHAT I WROTE IN THE FIRST PLACE HEREUNDER:
Micah 7:11
(1) In the day THAT THY WALLS ARE TO BE BUILT,
(2) in that day shall the decree be far removed.
12 (3) In that day…..Mike, get it into your carnal, and never SPIRITUAL mind,
that the above phrases have nothing to do with your idiom FANTASY of
Back in the day/s!
NOW, FOR YOUR INFORMATION,
THE ABOVE Mike, are three specific and particular consecutive DAYS!
ANSWER: CAN YOU GUESS WHICH ARE THESE THREE SPECIFIC CONSECUTIVE DAYS?
YES OR NO PLEASE!
You: Come on, man. At least TRY to do better than that.
ME: WELL, WITH EVERY RESPECT, WHAT DO YOU THINK NOW Mr.MILK!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Mike,
ME: ALL VERSIONS HAVE THE SECOND PART WRITTEN AS
THE EARTH AND THE HEAVENS, WHILE THE FIRST PART IS WRITTEN AS
THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH!
ANSWER: WHAT IS THE REASON THAT IT IS WRITTEN IN THAT MANNER?
You: No particular reason at all.
There is no secret mystery to be unlocked in my choice to list
you either first or second in the statement.
Me: Mike, WHEN WILL YOU START TASTING THE MEAT? I MEAN:
WHEN WILL YOU GIVE GOD HIS PERSONAL ATTRIBUTES AND
NEVER COMPARE HIS WORD AND HIS TASK GENERALLY SPEAKING, WITH
THE WORDS AND TASKS OF THE HUMAN RACE, IN THIS CASE IN THE EXAMPLE WHICH YOU POSTED AND SAID
YOU: I can say that
“Carmel and I are having a discussion”. I can say that
“I and Carmel are having a discussion”.
Now if YOU believe the order does have some mysterious secret meaning in Gen 2:4,
then just come out and say what that secret mystery is, and
show the scriptural support for your claim.
Then we can discuss it.
Mike, guess what I’m going to do!
BEFORE I REVEAL THE TRUTH, AND IN THIS CASE IS NOT A MYSTERY AT ALL, BUT A MERE
OBVIOUS COMMON LOGIC, ONCE YOU GIVE GOD HIS ATTRIBUTES AND TASKS,
I WILL TAKE YOUR SUGGESTION FOR A CHANGE AND I ASK YOU:
FIND THE SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT THAT WHEN IN SCRIPTURE WE READ
“GOD CREATED THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH”
IS NEITHER MYSTERIOUS IN ANY WAY NOR DIFFERENT FROM WHEN WE READ IN SCRIPTURE
“GOD MADE THE EARTH AND THE HEAVEN”
SIMPLY BY FIND ANOTHER SCRIPTURE THAT PRODUCES ANOTHER SIMILAR STATEMENT LIKE
“GOD MADE/CREATED/FORMED/ESTABLISHED/FURNISHED,
THE EARTH AND THE HEAVEN”
READY, SET, GO!
I AM COUNTING
THE DAYS! I MEAN IN THIS CASE BY ALL MEANS
LITERAL DAYS FOR SURE!
Mike, JUST LISTEN TO THIS:
I AM WINNING, and by the look of it
EVEN THE WAR!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Mike,
You: you think you can just insert “from Yahweh’s perspective” and make everything okay?
DEFINITELY, Mike,
SINCE MY PERCEPTION IS IN RELATION TO THE SPIRITUAL TASK AND TRUTH OF GOD!
WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DAYS OF REBUILDING THE WALLS OF JERUSALEM AS SUCH!
SINCE IT IS A PROPHECY!
JUST TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO PONDER ON, READ A RELATED SCRIPTURE TO THIS PROPHECY HEREUNDER:
Luke 17:22And he said to his disciples: The days will come, when you shall desire to see ONE DAY of the Son of man; and you shall not see it. 23And they will say to you: See here, and see there. Go ye not after, nor follow them: 24For as the lightening that lighteneth from under heaven, shineth unto the parts that are under heaven, so shall the Son of man be in
HIS DAY.
REFLECT ON THE BOLD TYPE !
JESUS IS REFERRING TO A PERIOD OF DAYS, SO HE CANNOT USE THE SINGULAR FORM, OF WHICH THE APOSTLES DESIRE TO SEE ONE SINGLE DAY, HERE, HE ALSO CANNOT USE THE PLURAL FORM, BUT THEN HE ENDED HIS TALK AND HE ATTRIBUTED THIS PERIOD OF DAYS TO HIMSELF AND SAID ……ON HIS DAY! AGAIN HE CANNOT USE THE PLURAL FORM! SINCE HE GAVE AN ANALOGY AND USED THE LIGHTENING
ANSWER HOW COME JESUS, IN ONE INSTANT, IN RELATION TO HIS PARTICULAR DAYS-EVENT, IS REFERRING BOTH TO A PERIOD OF DAYS AND ALSO TO A SINGLE DAY?
PRECISELY WHEN JESUS REBUILT THE WALLS OF JERUSALEM!
NOW BACK TO OUR POINT:
FIRST AND FOREMOST. READ AGAIN WHAT I WROTE IN THE FIRST PLACE HEREUNDER:
Micah 7:11
(1) In the day THAT THY WALLS ARE TO BE BUILT,
(2) in that day shall THE DECREE be far removed.
12 (3) In that day…..Mike, get it into your carnal, and never SPIRITUAL mind, that the above phrases have nothing to do with your idiom FANTASY of
Back in the day/s!
THE ABOVE Mike, are three specific and particular consecutive DAYS, BUT ALSO A REFERENCE TO
A SINGLE DAY!
Now, read also again what I posted and you ignored for a reason only you know!
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/in+the+dayIN THE DAY
Phrase not found in the Dictionary and Encyclopedia.
OK Mike, the phrase: “IN THE DAY” IS NOT EVEN AN IDIOM!
NOW TO CUT IT SHORT!
PRODUCE PROOF,
THAT THE PHRASE
“IN THE DAY”,
OR
“IN THAT DAY” ARE IDIOMS!
IN THE MEANTIME,
MICAH 7:11 ABOVE IS NOT VALID AT ALL IN RELATION TO WHAT I ASKED YOU TO PRODUCE!
SO I’M AFRAID YOU HAVE TO KEEP ON SEARCHING!
NEVER MIND YOU WON THE WAR!
Dude, you really need to up your game. “Well, Mike, although the evidence seems to be clearly on your side,
I have personal insight into how God understands things, and therefore I’m right and you’re wrong.”
Come on, Mike. At least TRY to do better than that.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Mike: 1. The very word, notion, and concept of days was created by God and based solely on the light/dark-sun/earth cycles… ie: 24 hour periods on the earth. The word “days” has no other meaning. It’s not like God has His own form of “days” in heaven. So when God says He did something in six days, for example, then those six days MUST be six HUMAN/EARTH/SUN days – because there simply doesn’t exist any other form or definition of “days”.
2. God directly and unequivocally EQUATED the six days during which He made the earth WITH the six literal HUMAN/EARTH/SUN days that we are to work before taking a day off.
Carmel, can you to refute the two statements above WITHOUT pretending that the spirit showed you that when God said “six days”, God didn’t really mean “six days”, like you’ve already done…
Mike: you think you can just insert “from Yahweh’s perspective” and make everything okay?
Carmel: DEFINITELY, Mike,
SINCE MY PERCEPTION IS IN RELATION TO THE SPIRITUAL TASK AND TRUTH OF GOD!
If that’s the only rebuttal you have, then you have no rebuttal. Do better.
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