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The least sinister explanation is that being single, double, or triple vaxxed didn’t do a damn thing to help anyone.
In NZ. Stats apparently show that the unvaccinated are four or five times more likely to die or go to Intensive Care.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/tracking-omicron-in-new-zealand-latest-charts-and-data
However, I agree that the MSM and Social Media are biased and only report stories that are pro-vaccine because they are being paid for this. For example, I do believe that Myocarditis is way more common than is reported. But it is censored so as to not empower the antivax movement.
Hi Mike,
HERE IT IS AGAIN:
You: Carmel: SIMPLY BECAUSE BOTH SCRIPTURES ARE ANALOGOUS, AND RELATED IN A WAY TO EACH OTHER!
You: I agree that both verses use two of the same words.
Because of that, you think that the world will once again be in the state described in Gen 1:2
ME: WHERE AND WHEN DID I EVER SAY THAT?
You: and you extrapolate from that your idea that this has also happened before Gen 1:2.
ME: WHERE AND WHEN DID I EVER SAY THAT?
You: I don’t think or believe either of those things.
ME: I DON’T ALSO NOT ONLY DON’T BELIEVE EITHER OF THOSE THINGS BUT I NEVER SAID SO!
YOU CONCLUDED SO AND SAID SUCH STORIES, PLUS THAT YOU DEVIATED FROM WHAT IN ACTUAL FACT I SAID.
You I’ve pointed out that in Jeremiah’s prophecy, there will still be birds and cities. That wasn’t the case in Gen 1:2. You have not responded to that point – although this is the third or fourth time I’m bringing it up.
AS FAR AS I CAN REMEMBER, ONLY THE SECOND TIME YOU MENTIONED THE BIRDS. ALSO:
DID YOU RESPOND TO ALL WHAT I ASKED! BROTHER Mike?
DEFINITELY NOT, APART FROM THAT YOU, AS I SAID, DEVIATED AND COMPLETELY INVENTED AND BUILT UP STORIES.
You: I’m no longer interested in the discussion unless you directly address that point first.
THAT’S IT Mike! Either I am not making things clear enough or else, which I believe is your target as an excuse, YOU ARE PURPOSELY TWISTING THINGS UP, inventing and building up your own senseless stories, and confusing the discussion.
Mike, I am posting MY FULL POST again from page 74 ALL IN BLUE, WHILE MY NEW COMMENTS WOULD BE IN RED, AND THE OLD ORIGINAL COMMENTS IN BLACK, in order to prove HOW MANY TIMES YOU IGNORED OF WHAT I POSTED IN RELATION TO THE PERFECT EARTH, CREATED WELL BEFORE THE VERY GOOD EARTH OF THE SIX-DAY CREATION!
ALSO, YOU WILL BE AWARE OF YOUR OWN WORDS AND SENSELESS STORIES YOU MADE UP BY WHICH YOU DEVIATED AND CONFUSED ALL MY POSTS. BY THE WAY
THE BIRDS, THE MOUNTAINS AND THE CITIES YOU WILL ALSO KNOW ABOUT!
I AM BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND WHY YOU SAY, YOU DON’T READ ALL MY POSTS!
HERE WE GO:
Hi Mike,
You: In the meantime, listen to your Lord Jesus… (HE IS NOT YOUR LORD JESUS ALSO Brother Mike?)
The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
24When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
25Before the mountains were settled, before the hills were I was brought forth:
26While as yet he had not MADE the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
30Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
31Rejoicing in the habitable part of HIS EARTH (SPIRITUAL! NOT OUR CORRUPTED PHYSICAL EARTH, WHICH IS HIS FOOTSTOOL)
OK MIKE! THE ABOVE IS THE FIRST TIME I MENTIONED IT, AND BY USING YOUR OWN POST OF PROVERBS 8:22….I MADE IT CLEAR AND REFERRED TO THE CREATION OF THE FIRST PERFECT EARTH!
THE FACT THAT I SAID, THAT THE FIRST EARTH WAS “SPIRITUAL” READ!
31Rejoicing in the habitable part of HIS EARTH.
OK, BROTHER Mike? HIS EARTH, GOD’S EARTH SPIRITUAL,
OUR CORRUPTED EARTH IS GOD’S FOOTSTOOL, PHYSICAL! AND WAS MADE FROM GENESIS 1:3 ONWARD.
SATAN’S EARTH FROM ADAM’S SIN TILL THE END OF TIME!
THE FACT THAT IT WOULD NOT BE FLOODED, BUT
DESTROYED COMPLETELY WITH FIRE!
and my delights were with the sons of men. ( IN GOD’S OWN TERMS)
Reading the above description Mike, it clearly describes how God didn’t create the very first world of Genesis 1:1 in SIX DAYS!
In the above description, God ALSO, did all sorts of WORKS AND DEEDS but He never CREATED anything at all YET,
IN FACT THE WORD “CREATE” IS INEXISTENT!
never mind He created/MADE OUR CURRENT WORLD IN SIX DAYS!
Brother Mike,
YOU SIMPLY IGNORED WHAT I POSTED IN RELATION TO
THE FIRST PERFECT EARTH
WHY?
IF, AS YOU SAID, PRECISELY IN THE SAME POST, THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO LEARN ABOUT IT?
Peace and love Jesus Christ
So Biden’s new nomination for Supreme Court was asked if she could define what a woman is. This nutjob said, “No… I’m not a biologist.”
Well I’m not a vet, but I know what a dog is. 🙄
Anyway, in an effort to protect this pedo-freeing judge from her own stupidity, the MSM stepped in…
This is a good example to illustrate the difference between “science” and the cult of “Scientism”. First of all, science doesn’t “say” anything at all. In fact, that was the title of my very first YouTube video 4 years ago. Science is the investigatory process, and the collection and analyzation of data.
After the data has been collected, flawed human beings INTERPRET those data in many different ways. The faith-based belief in those INTERPRETATIONS is “Scientism”.
So this is yet another example of the Bible (and scientific data itself) clearly defining the differences between men and women – yet certain knuckleheads within the scientific community INTERPRET the data as saying there is no clear answer to who is a man and who is a woman.
At this point, we have two choices. We can stick with the Bible and our common sense that any 5 year old knows the difference between boys and girls… or we can blindly believe the claim that “science says” there is no simple answer to what a woman is. If we do the latter, we are believing Scientism – not science.
It’s good to keep the two straight. I believe science that supports the fact that men and women are biologically different. I deny any Scientism that says the answer is up for grabs.
Understand that denying Scientism is NOT denying science itself.
Proclaimer: However, I agree that the MSM and Social Media are biased and only report stories that are pro-vaccine because they are being paid for this. For example, I do believe that Myocarditis is way more common than is reported. But it is censored so as to not empower the antivax movement.
This entire thing backfired on them, IMO. If they had just said there’s a vax available for whoever wants it, they would have gotten half the world’s population without any coercion or threats. But the way they went about it woke a lot of people up and got them questioning vaccines in general.
Anytime people are bending over backwards to FORCE you into doing something that is “good for you”, red flags should go up.
Understand that denying Scientism is NOT denying science itself.
Mike, I agree with that.
Satan with his theories on gender, what a plague!Carmel: I DON’T ALSO NOT ONLY DON’T BELIEVE EITHER OF THOSE THINGS BUT I NEVER SAID SO!
It seems to me that you’re always trying to slip your way out of things you claimed after I expose them scripturally. It’s either that, or I apparently don’t have the mental ability (or disability?) to understand your teachings.
This whole mind-numbing experience started when you claimed that the heaven and earth of Gen 1:3 and beyond were not the original heaven and earth. First you tried to make some distinction between the use of the word “created” and the word “made”. This is utter nonsense, and I showed you scripturally that they are used interchangeably – even showing you a single verse in which God said He “created”, “formed”, “made”, and “fashioned” man.
Then at some point you tried to use a prophecy in Jeremiah to support your case – arguing that the prophecy says that the current earth will at one point be in the same state as the Gen 1:1 earth.
Now you’re saying that you aren’t using this as proof that the earth we’re living on isn’t the original earth – and that I’ve misunderstood you. Well then what exactly ARE you trying to use the Jeremiah prophecy for?
The ONLY reason I got involved in the first place is because you said that Gen 1:1-2 is separate from the creation account that follows. But God Himself INCLUDES the creation of the heaven and earth (not one of the many heavens and earths) in the six days of creation.
So whether I’m misunderstanding you or you’re trying to slip out of things you actually said, there is really no point going forward with you. I find your posts to be long, boring, often blasphemous, usually bizarre, and always VERY confusing. I believe that you can make your points with 95% less words than you use.
So now I offer you two choices: Post exactly, definitively, and VERY succinctly what point you’d like to make to me in the future – or don’t bother talking to me at all.
I’ll get it started…
Exodus 20:11… in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day
Exodus 31:17… in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested…
In both of those verses, Yahweh Himself claims that the heaven and earth of Gen 1:1 are INCLUDED in the six days of creation – just like a straightforward and rational reading of Gen 1:1-2:3 concludes.
You have 50 words or less to refute that claim or make a VERY SHORT counterpoint. Go.
Berean: Mike, I agree with that.
Satan with his theories on gender, what a plague!Satan has his iron in a bunch of different fires. His attempts to destroy God’s order and instructions for mankind began with Eve in the garden, and continue on to this day.
But Berean, when you see how the people of the world are currently (and very obviously) being divided into factions (ie: “girls and boys are inherently different” vs “girls can be boys and vice versa”), it puts me in mind of Jesus’ parable of the weeds. IMO, we are witnessing firsthand how the weeds and the wheat are growing up side by side – making it very easy for the harvester to know which is which.
Seems to me that no matter how bad it gets, things are actually progressing the way that God told us they would. We might just end up living through the trials and persecutions that Jesus said were going to be worse than any distress since the creation – and never to be equaled again. If so, keep praying that God grant you the strength to stand strong when the persecutions and executions begin in full.
Hi Mike,
You: It seems to me that you’re always trying to slip your way out of things you claimed after I expose them scripturally.
First and foremost Mike, it’s no use saying the above unless you back it up, and PRODUCE the original posts and justify yourself.
On the other hand, READ WHAT I POSTED AND MADE CLEAR ABOUT IN MY LAST POST:
Mike, I am posting MY FULL POST again from page 74 ALL IN BLUE, WHILE MY NEW COMMENTS WOULD BE IN RED, AND THE OLD ORIGINAL COMMENTS IN BLACK, in order to prove HOW MANY TIMES YOU IGNORED/SLIPPED YOUR WAY OUT OF WHAT I POSTED SCRIPTURALLY IN RELATION TO THE PERFECT EARTH, CREATED WELL BEFORE THE VERY GOOD EARTH OF THE SIX-DAY CREATION!
ALSO, YOU WILL BE AWARE OF YOUR OWN WORDS AND SENSELESS STORIES YOU MADE UP BY WHICH YOU DEVIATED AND CONFUSED ALL MY POSTS. BY THE WAY
THE BIRDS, THE MOUNTAINS AND THE CITIES YOU WILL ALSO KNOW ABOUT!
OK. Mike?
My last post is only the first of a series of posts, which eventually I’ll be posting and ALREADY posted, by which I will prove who in actual fact is trying to slip his way out of things and confusing things.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Mike,
You: So whether I’m misunderstanding you or you’re trying to slip out of things you actually said, there is really no point going forward with you.
Me: Well what do you expect, especially when you finally hereunder confirmed that you are reading entirely ALL my posts after all, which is the opposite of what you’ve been claiming. Read your own words at the bottom.
Just in chase,
Read again the scripture you posted, and I commented about, and for a reason only you know, you completely ignored/ SLIPPED YOUR WAY OUT OF WHAT I POSTED SCRIPTURALLY
simply because I made it clear to you that it is a reference definitely to the earth of Genesis 1:1.
Proverbs 8:31Rejoicing in the habitable part of HIS EARTH…..
OK MIKE! THE ABOVE IS THE FIRST TIME I POINTED OUT A CLEAR SCRIPTURE WHICH IRONICALLY YOU PRODUCED, RELATED TO THE PERFECT EARTH OF Genesis 1:1
THE ONLY EARTH WHICH WAS DEFINITELY HIS PROPERTY BOTH SPIRITUAL AND PHYSICAL IN ONE INSTANT! This is also asserted by Isaiah, and Jesus hereunder. Read
Isaiah66:1 THUS saith the Lord: Heaven is my throne, and
the earth my footstool:
Matthew 5:34 But I say to you not to swear at all, neither by heaven, for it is the throne of God: 35Nor by the earth,
for it is his footstool:….
Don’t just keep silent Mike, say something which contradicts me using scripture!
AFTER ALL, AS YOU SAID, YOU ARE WILLING TO LEARN ABOUT IT?
In the meantime
MINE STANDS!
GENESIS 1:1 IS A PERFECT CREATION!
WITHOUT SUN, SEAS, and DARKNESS!
ENTIRELY IN GOD’S HARMONY IN FULL LIGHT!
That will do Mike, or else you take advantage of the situation and say:
I find your posts to be too long, boring, often blasphemous, usually bizarre, and always VERY confusing. I believe that you can make your points with 95% less words than you use.
Me: THE ABOVE IS ONLY 1% OF WHAT I EVENTUALLY WILL POST IN RELATION TO
THE PERFECT EARTH OF Genesis 1:1
BY THE WAY, YOU DO AS YOU PLEASE, WHETHER YOU ANSWER OR IGNORE THEM IT DOESN’T AFFECT ME AT ALL,
MY AIM IS ONLY TO
seek first the kingdom of God and his justice.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel, I skimmed your two posts. I didn’t easily recognize an actual answer/rebuttal/response to this…
Mike: Exodus 20:11… in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day
Exodus 31:17… in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested…
In both of those verses, Yahweh Himself claims that the heaven and earth of Gen 1:1 are INCLUDED in the six days of creation – just like a straightforward and rational reading of Gen 1:1-2:3 concludes.
You have 50 words or less to refute that claim or make a VERY SHORT counterpoint. Go.
Seeing that I wasn’t able to quickly locate a direct, 50 words or less response, I will ignore them.
I will, however, leave you with this advice: If you truly want to make a case that you said A, and I accused you of saying B instead, then do it ONE QUOTE AT A TIME. For example…
Here is my exact quote…………………………
Here is what you said I said………………………….
And then just leave it at that until I have time to respond. Because there’s no way on earth I’m going to RE-READ long, boring and confusing novels that I only skimmed in the first place. Cheers
You have 50 words or less to refute that claim or make a VERY SHORT counterpoint. Go.
God doesn’t sleep and he existed and created before the sun was even created according to you.
Mike, a day to God is not like a day for you. Why do you find this hard to understand.
Where is your common sense. Your ability to reason.
You thought processes will go in the wrong direction once you start defending lies.
You say this and that about earth, but scripture doesn’t actually say it was created in 6 x 24 hour periods.
And it doesn’t say that the earth is a flat disc either.
So stop pretending that it does.
Yes, he did it in 6 days. but not 6 x 24 hour days.And by that same word, the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. Beloved, do not let this one thing escape your notice: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance.
So you not see that this verse is about God being patient. It doesn’t work to your time frame Mike.
Where is your common sense. Your ability to reason.
He did it in 6 days. Not 6 x 24 hour days.Proclaimer
WHY NOT?
Proclaimer: God doesn’t sleep…
Did you mistakenly post this in the wrong thread? Is it supposed to be the answer to my question on the private thread that you are bound by your own rules to answer before posting anything else on any other thread?
Proclaimer: He did it in 6 days. Not 6 x 24 hour days.
Berean: Proclaimer
WHY NOT?
Excellent question. I’ve already thoroughly debunked all of Proclaimer’s excuses and reasoning on this in the private thread. For example…
1. The very concept and the word “day” was created by God for the sole purposes of the earth and those who live here. So there isn’t some “God day” that he was talking about in Gen 1 – as Proclaimer himself acknowledges. So the very fact that God used the earth/human term “day” in the first place means He was talking about literal earth/human days – because there exists no other circumstance or place where the term “day” has any meaning at all.
2. God then directly and unequivocally EQUATED the “days” He was talking about TO earth/human days by saying we are to work six and rest on the seventh BECAUSE He worked six and rested on the seventh.
So the pertinent question now is exactly what Berean asked: WHY? Why exactly does Proclaimer insist that they couldn’t have been 6 24-hour days when there is no scriptural indication that they weren’t, and every scriptural indication that they were?
WHY NOT?
Beloved, do not let this one thing escape your notice: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years…
It doesn’t say: “Beloved, do not let this one thing escape your notice: With the Lord a day is 24 hours“.
You see, nothing, not even that great big sun dictates anything to God. He created the Sun. It is there for signs. Signs for us Mike, not him. Lol.
Did you mistakenly post this in the wrong thread? Is it supposed to be the answer to my question on the private thread that you are bound by your own rules to answer before posting anything else on any other thread?
Let me help you out here. I quoted something from this topic. That usually means I am addressing that. Lol. But if that you is your new question in the debate, then easy, I will copy, then paste my answer there.
Btw Proclaimer, you attempted to answer a question that I never even asked Carmel. My question to him concerned the fact that Yahweh Himself said that the creation of the heaven and earth mentioned in Gen 1:1 were INCLUDED in the six days of creation, not EXCLUDED as you guys claim with zero scriptural support.
But you can answer the correct question in our private thread, because it’s the same one that’s waiting there for you.
Proclaimer: Let me help you out here. I quoted something from this topic. That usually means I am addressing that. Lol.
So then there ARE times when people sometimes copy something from one thread, and inadvertently paste it with their answer to the wrong thread? I have done it. Gene just did it a week ago. And your use of the word “usually” suggests that you too have done it before.
And since that is the case, your completely unnecessary condescending comment actually says much more about you than it does about me, right? Thanks. Nice chat.
Proclaimer: But if that you is your new question in the debate, then easy, I will copy, then paste my answer there.
It’s very similar, but yes… please go do that right now – as per your own rules.
Btw, the similar nature of the two questions explains why I thought you might have been trying to answer the one in the private thread. And the fact that you can copy your answer from this thread and paste it over there just goes to show that my question was justified – and shouldn’t have been ridiculed by you. But like I said, those condescending comments you are so fond of say a lot more about you than about the ones you make them to. They show a weakness. After all, it’s well known that most bullies lash out against others because of their own insecurities.
Gen 1:1 were INCLUDED in the six days of creation, not EXCLUDED as you guys claim with zero scriptural support.
At the end of the first day, God had already created the heavens and the earth. And his Spirit was hovering over a watery planet etc.
That concurs with the order I have been saying.
That God created the heavens and the earth first.
But you say no to that despite scripture and science saying otherwise.
Proclaimer: At the end of the first day, God had already created the heavens and the earth. And his Spirit was hovering over a watery planet etc.
That concurs with the order I have been saying.
That God created the heavens and the earth first.
But you say no to that despite scripture and science saying otherwise.
You should probably go read what I wrote in the private thread yesterday. I explained and debunked a bunch of your misunderstandings for you.
For example, God didn’t make heaven until the second day. But even if we agreed for argument’s sake that it was in existence by the end of the first day, it wouldn’t mean it automatically came complete with sun, moon, and stars like you erroneously believe. Those lights were not created until the fourth day.
But in the other thread, I exposed your argument by pointing out that if you say the existence of the heaven implies existence of the sun since it’s a part of heaven today, then I could equally say that the existence of the earth implies the existence of dry land, vegetation, animals, fish, and men – since they are a part of the earth today.
Do you see how your logic fails? Suffice it to say that the mere creation of the heaven doesn’t presuppose the simultaneous creation of the sun any more than the mere creation of the earth presupposes the simultaneous creation of Adam and Eve.
Oh, and don’t forget that “science” doesn’t “say” anything at all. So your statement about “science saying otherwise” is made out of ignorance – as I’ve recently taught you.
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