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For those who missed it… a very short clip of various “experts” touting the efficacy of the vaccines over the past few months. Watch how they go from “It will keep you from getting Covid” to “It will lessen your symptoms” to “The majority in hospitals are double vaxxed”.
Mike……No vaccine can prevent you from attracting any virus in existence, the vaccine teaches your immune system how to fight it and kill it.
Around one HUNDRED and fifty MILLION IN THE US or more have taken the vaccine, and I ‘PERSONALLY ” KNOW NOT ONE WHO HAS GOTTEN A BLOOOD CLOT AS A RESULT. There are latterly thousand of people who get blood clots every day in the USA, And because someone gets a blood clot after the had received the vaccine is hardly any proof people get them for the Shot. While millions upon millions are receiving great benefits from the Shots. It has been proven by the overall death rates declining from Covid-19 every day.
What your doing Mike is taking a rare incident and making it to be a “common” reaction , without any true statistics to prove it, just the word of the person who said it. Show us how many people entered the hospitals with blood clots every day before COVID-19 and then after it. You don’t know that nor did the person who told you that, know the “REAL” statistics either, that’s needed to draw a real conclusion.
But that’s the way conspiracy theorist’s work, they take a persons word over actual scientific proofs or evidence. Bad form brother.
peace and love to you and yours Mike……..gene
Jacinda Adern is the worst leader we have ever had
She is the most divisive leader I have ever seen. Unfortunately, Adern was voted in because of our MMP system which meant she got to rule with only got 35% of the vote or something like that. But she was able to pull together a coalition with the Greens etc to become the majority government. (The previous government were really good and we prospered under them.) Adern then got a second term because under her, we remained Covid free and people in NZ and the world were impressed by that. In reality however, it was NZ’s isolation that should have got the praise as we are surrounded by thousands of KMs of ocean. This is all wearing thin now because we are not Covid free anymore. This partially to do with her lack of good governance and people touting the rules.
But her policies are also destructive. I don’t think she will be voted in for a third term which is the limit you can rule. Each term is 3 years here. But you never know because Wokeness is the bigger virus in NZ just like it is in Australia, USA, Canada, etc. She gets votes from Greenies, Feminists, The PC Brigade, weak men, and Karens. That is a substantial chunk of the population unfortunately.
For those who missed it… a very short clip of various “experts” touting the efficacy of the vaccines over the past few months. Watch how they go from “It will keep you from getting Covid” to “It will lessen your symptoms” to “The majority in hospitals are double vaxxed”.
Efficacy wanes, so what. We already know that. This doesn’t in any way debunk vaccines.
When a virus mutates, then your antibodies will need to adjust to the new strain or you can get a booster. For me, I am double vaccinated so I can battle the virus and hopefully come out on top with little to no symptoms. And thereafter, my immune system will react and I will have natural immunity if I come up against the virus and survive.
So the vaccines are for the first encounter. I want my immune system to be familar with this virus so it can react quickly. Then hopefully, the virus mutates to a weaker strain like the Spanish Flu and ideally before I come into contact with it. In other words, hopefully Delta doesn’t exist.
I wasn’t willing to fight this virus on my own and take the risk. Seriously, I wonder if Rob Skiba would still be here if he was vaccinated. Probably. But as I said before, God gave us free will, so we live and die by our decisions and God respects our will.
The vaccine vs the virus
I also know that tens of thousands of others have died from Covid after being fully vaxxed. So what point are you trying to make here? And why do you think that continually bringing up a death that affected me personally – and always in a derogatory “I told you so” manner – is Christian, or even decent behavior?
It’s rebuke and correction Mike. It’s about learning from other people’s mistakes. The bible is full of examples of who and what to be like and who and what to not be like. The good book teaches us to learn from other’s example.
But let me tell you something Mike. People die and it will be caused by something. It could be something like the flu or Covid that pushes you over the line. But in these cases, there is often underlying conditions that have weakened the person to not be able to fight something that children can brush off easily. So think about your Colin Powell case here. He survived the vaccine, but died from the virus. That tells you all you need to know right there.
So here is the order of risk with the bigger threat at the top.
- The virus without vaccination
- The virus with vaccination.
- The vaccine.
Further, the bottom two combined are way less a risk than no 1.
Freedoms granted by constitutions are not halted by a pandemic – real or imagined. If Person A is afraid of catching something, then Person A has the choice to wear a mask, lock themselves down, splash Lysol all over their home, and wash their hands 100 times a day. But Person A’s fear of a real or imagined illness should NEVER hinder Person B’s freedoms in any way.
Look at it another way. Person A has a virus that can kill. Person B is virus free and doesn’t want to come into contact with Person A. But Person A wants freedom so inadvertently passes the virus onto Person B. Person B has had his choice violated by Person A because Person A didn’t want his choice violated.
What would Jesus say? Love your fellow man as you love yourself. Do unto others… In other words, sacrifice is good and do things to serve others and help them.
What would Paul say? If eating meat offends, then don’t eat meat in that person’s presence. If a person doesn’t want a virus, then do not burst their bubble.
You’ve heard the commandment ‘thou shalt not murder’? (This virus can kill as you know.) So why would you risk passing on a virus? While it is not technically murder, it is akin to driving a car dangerously, where you can kill someone inadvertently by your foolish actions.
So do we respect our own free will to the point where we violate another’s free will? Can we sacrifice our freedoms for a time to help each other out?
5. The “vaccines” aren’t even a vaccine at all. They are an experimental and untested genetic code that is injected into your body and which tells your body to genetically produce something your body wouldn’t have otherwise produced. They are ALTERING your genetic code, Gene!
Mike, I think many of your statements are taken put of context.
You mention the virus is going away too fast to produce an effective vaccine. I think you’ll find that they are talking about the strain.
Then you mention in your quoted statement above that the vaccine produces something your body wouldn’t have done. I think this is incorrect. The vaccines leave you with antibodies which is what your body produces if you had the vaccine or virus.
Who are the people you know of that were killed by Covid-19?
Who are the people you know of that were killed by the vaccine?
Provide 5 names for each please.
Gene: I ‘PERSONALLY ” KNOW NOT ONE WHO HAS GOTTEN A BLOOD CLOT AS A RESULT…
What your doing Mike is taking a rare incident and making it to be a “common” reaction , without any true statistics to prove it…
This was from back in April, Gene…
Denmark Totally Bans AstraZeneca COVID-19 Vaccine Amid Reports of Blood Clots
Denmark became the first country in Europe to totally abandon the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine, coming after the country and more than a dozen other European Union nations suspended its usage.
“Overall, we must say that the results show that there is a real and serious side effect signal in the vaccine from AstraZeneca,” said Brostrom in a statement.
This week, U.S. health agencies recommended that the single-shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine be suspended amid reports of blood clots.
Gene, if entire nations are banning certain vaccines due to blood clots, then you should be able to read between the lines when the MSM and the CDC and everyone else who makes big money on these injections continually insist that they are “very rare”.
Also from back in April…
Blood-clotting illness PVT 30x more prevalent in Moderna, Pfizer Covid-19 recipients than AstraZeneca – Oxford researchers
A potentially fatal blood-clotting disease is 30 times more common among people who have received the Covid-19 vaccines produced by Moderna and Pfizer than those given the troubled AstraZeneca jab, researchers have found.
MRNA vaccines work by teaching the body how to produce some of the Covid spike protein in order to generate an immune response to fight the virus.
Viral vector vaccines, including the Covid-19 jab made by Johnson & Johnson, instead work by introducing a mild form of the virus to trigger the body into producing antibodies.
(I included those last 2 paragraphs just to verify that the mRNA injection is NOT a vaccine at all – but a foreign genetic code that alters your body… but more on that in a minute.)
And finally, this study is just one of MANY where scientist/doctors examined vaccinated blood under a microscope. Miia and I posted side by side photos of normal blood cells compared to the blood cells of some vaccinated people early on in this thread. But there are a LOT of such studies out there where you can see the difference with your own eyes under the microscope. Of course you’ll have to LOOK for them, since your favorite MSM program isn’t going to give you this info. That would defeat the narrative they’re trying to spoon feed you.
Proclaimer: Efficacy wanes, so what. We already know that. This doesn’t in any way debunk vaccines.
The fact is that we only know about the “waning efficacy” because the majority of deaths and hospitalizations are now among fully vaxxed people – and they have no other explanation. I for one haven’t had to have polio boosters all throughout my life because the efficacy of the polio vaccine wanes over time – have you?
But now all of a sudden, you always just somehow knew that vaccine efficacy wanes over a month or two? Really? I call BS. Do you get your seasonal flu shot once a month because the efficacy wanes throughout the flu season?
I’ve already asked 4 times: What will be YOUR magic number for Covid? You already have two shots. How many boosters are you willing to get before you call BS?
Your insistence on toeing the MSM narrative now has you stuck between a rock and a hard place. If, as you say, “everybody knows” that vaccine efficacy wanes, then you already acknowledge that you are expecting to keep getting booster injections for the rest of your life to protect you from a coronavirus (ie: common cold) that has a 99.5% survivability rate for our age group. Because NOT getting continual boosters will result in your original injections waning down to no protection after a few months – leaving you exactly as unprotected as you were before you got the injections.
So if you don’t keep on getting the boosters, then it’ll be like you never got the double vax in the first place after a short time, right? So my question is how long will you continue to get these boosters?
Proclaimer: When a virus mutates, then your antibodies will need to adjust to the new strain or you can get a booster.
WHY does a virus mutate, Proclaimer? Here is what a prominent microbiologist says…
Malik explains that viruses and their human hosts are constantly undergoing an evolutionary arms race. In this high-stakes battle, one party is always losing and thus there is always pressure on the “loser” to innovate. Through cycles of adaptation, the “winner” and “loser” are continually switched.
In your “science falsely so-called” worldview of billions of years and evolution, viruses have no REASON to mutate at all until they are met with a challenge. There would be no antibody-resistant bacteria if there were no antibodies. Likewise, Covid would have no reason to mutate without the vaccines. So SCIENCE says that the vaccinated people are the reason for the mutated variant strains – not the unvaccinated people. In the words of the scientist above, unvaxxed people don’t cause the virus to be a “loser”, which means it has no “pressure to innovate” a new strain.
This is from another infectious disease expert, who is trying his best to insist that everyone get vaccinated. But in the middle of his relentless propaganda for Big Pharma, there is this one very telling sentence…
The creation of a vaccine for any new virus could also cause additional mutations.
https://www.unitypoint.org/article.aspx?id=db428f77-6e61-497b-91ce-1317a3396dd8
Understand? A vax that truly helps to defeat a virus also puts pressure on that virus to mutate. So according to SCIENCE, it is the VAXXED people, not the unvaxxed, who are causing the variants.
You need to change your talking point about how the people “touting the rules” are to blame for anything related to Covid.
Proclaimer: It’s rebuke and correction Mike.
But you’re not rebuking or correcting anything. You don’t know that Skiba died from Covid, right? And you don’t know whether or not he was vaxxed, right?
So how exactly are you “rebuking” or “correcting” anything at all?
On the other hand, there are MILLIONS who have been saved from respiratory illnesses (which Skiba ended up dying from) by taking the cheap and effective Ivermectin (which the hospitals are under extreme pressure and bribes NOT to allow).
NFL quarterback Aaron Rogers of the Green Bay Packers is the latest famous person to knock Covid out within 2 days with Ivermectin…
And because of people like him and Joe Rogan, the world is coming to know about Ivermectin and HCQ. That poses a big threat to pocketbook of Big Pharma. But now that they realize that they can no longer stop the Ivermectin grass roots campaign by calling it “dangerous” through their MSM propaganda wing, they have decided to sell you their own Ivermectin – but under a new name so they can charge you thousands for the same dang thing you can already buy for $10. Here’s Merck’s (who produced Ivermectin in the 60’s) new version…
And here’s Pfizer’s…
What just happened here? Are you awake? Both of these Big Pharma members are now producing their own PILL that will cure Covid. Basically, they’re repackaging Ivermectin since the world found out that it cures Covid. But what about the vaxxes then? How will they spin it so that the blind sheep believe that the pill only works if you’ve been vaxxed? (They’ll try, trust me.)
But the bottom line will be that a year from now, the entire world will know that the vaxxes did nothing but harm a lot of innocent people, and that if they’d just promoted the cheap and readily available HCQ and Ivermectin from the start, there wouldn’t have even been a so-called pandemic.
Mike: Freedoms granted by constitutions are not halted by a pandemic – real or imagined. If Person A is afraid of catching something, then Person A has the choice to wear a mask, lock themselves down, splash Lysol all over their home, and wash their hands 100 times a day. But Person A’s fear of a real or imagined illness should NEVER hinder Person B’s freedoms in any way.
Proclaimer: Look at it another way. Person A has a virus that can kill. Person B is virus free and doesn’t want to come into contact with Person A. But Person A wants freedom so inadvertently passes the virus onto Person B. Person B has had his choice violated by Person A because Person A didn’t want his choice violated.
Watch how easily your feeble scenario is destroyed…
1. How do you KNOW that A has a virus in the first place? Refusal to get vaxxed doesn’t equate to “infected”, right?
2. How do you KNOW that B is virus free? Acceptance of the jabs doesn’t equate to “immune to infection”, right?
3. Person A wants freedom, and therefore assumes the risk of getting robbed, run over by a bus, catching any number of viruses (even the Covid virus FROM the vaxxed Person B), or being hurt or killed by any number of other things while enjoying their freedom.
4. Person B, who is a vaxxed Karen, has the CHOICE to either take or not take the same exact risks to enjoy their freedom. They do NOT have the right to infringe upon the rights of Person A – for any reason whatsoever.
Let’s see if I can help you to learn to think critically and logically. Let’s say that Person B (let’s call him “Proclaimer”) decides that Person A (let’s call him “Mike”) takes a risk of getting run over by a bus if he leaves his house. In Proclaimer’s mind, the act of the bus driver trying to swerve to avoid hitting Mike may just cause the bus to careen into Proclaimer and cause him harm. Therefore, Proclaimer believes it is his RIGHT to force Mike to stay locked down in his home (or detention camp) because if he allows Mike to exercise his rights to roam freely, Mike just might be an impetus that causes a bus to hit Proclaimer.
Can you see how STUPID your arguments are now?
1. Is there any guarantee that Mike will cause a bus to swerve? NO. (Is there any guaranteed that Mike has a virus? NO.)
2. Is there any guarantee that, even if Mike causes a bus to swerve, it will hit Proclaimer? NO. (Is there any guarantee that, even if Mike has Covid, he will pass it to Proclaimer? NO.)
3. Is there any guarantee that Proclaimer won’t be the one who will cause the bus to swerve and hit MIKE? NO. (Is there any guarantee that Proclaimer won’t be the one who has Covid and passes it on to Mike? NO.)
4. Is it therefore also Mike’s RIGHT to insist that Proclaimer is the one who needs to lock down in a detention center so he doesn’t have the chance of causing a bus to swerve and hit Mike? NO. (Is it therefore also Mike’s RIGHT to insist that Proclaimer is the one who needs to lock down in a detention center so he doesn’t have the chance of spreading Covid to Mike? NO.)
I truly hope I have helped to unlock your indoctrinated brain so that you can start thinking logically for yourself. Seriously.
I mean, YOU are the vaxxed one, right? YOU are the one who is supposedly protected from Covid, right? So if I, as an unprotected person, am not afraid of you, then why are YOU – with your layer of protection – afraid of me? And more importantly, why do you think you have the right to tell ME to stay out of society just because YOU’RE scared? If YOU’RE the one who is scared, then YOU’RE the one who needs to hide from society – not me.
Talk about a typical Karen. 🙄
Proclaimer: You mention the virus is going away too fast to produce an effective vaccine. I think you’ll find that they are talking about the strain.
It’s almost as if you hope the virus remains forever, so you can eventually feel vindicated over taking an experimental injection – the alleged protection of which has long since waned to zero anyway. 😎
Proclaimer: Then you mention in your quoted statement above that the vaccine produces something your body wouldn’t have done. I think this is incorrect. The vaccines leave you with antibodies which is what your body produces if you had the vaccine or virus.
I posted earlier the difference between a typical vaccine and this experimental gene-altering mRNA jab. Here it is again…
MRNA vaccines work by teaching the body how to produce some of the Covid spike protein in order to generate an immune response to fight the virus.
Viral vector vaccines, including the Covid-19 jab made by Johnson & Johnson, instead work by introducing a mild form of the virus to trigger the body into producing antibodies.
Do you see the difference? You have supposedly* been injected with a genetic CODE that TEACHES your body to start making stuff that it wouldn’t have made without the injection of that CODE.
If you get a cold or flu, your body has MANY different armies that go to work fighting off the infection – one of which might produce these spike proteins. After the infection is successfully defeated, your body knows to send all of those armies into stand-down mode. But what happens if you give your body genetic instructions to make theses spike proteins when you’re not fighting an infection? Will it ever STOP producing them? Will the influx of these spike proteins eventually do serious damage, since a switch has been artificially turned on that can’t be turned off? Who knows? YOU’RE the guinea pig Big Pharma is using to find out!
We do know from scientific studies that most of these spike proteins end up in reproductive organs. A lot of miscarriages. A lot of infertility already. Little 3 year old girls having periods. Grown women having periods at various times throughout the month – and even continually. It’s too soon to tell all of the terrible effects these gene-altering injections are going to cause – but the early results are terrifying.
*supposedly… I say that because new scientific data has revealed that ALL of the adverse effects reported to VAERS have come from only 13 batches of the Pfizer “vax” – out of thousands of batches. It has already been leaked that a lot of people have been injected with a harmless saline solution. This new evidence seems to support the hypothesis that the ACTUAL Pfizer “vaccine” (which causes great harm) has only been injected into a very small minority of those who were injected – while the majority were given a placebo.
That would definitely explain why there is “no discernable difference” between the hospitalization and death rates of the vaxxed vs the unvaxxed.
It also makes perfect sense from a Big Pharma standpoint. They still make the same money (for a saline solution), but they don’t have to worry about a MASS explosion of deaths and serious adverse effects among virtually everyone who took their vax.
So the fact that you were double jabbed and have no serious side effects tells me that you are one of the fortunate who got a placebo. So to you I say, welcome aboard the unvaxxed train. But I also give you a warning to watch out for those Karens who think they now have the right to lock you in a detention camp because THEY are scared. 😁
Proclaimer: Who are the people you know of that were killed by Covid-19?
Who are the people you know of that were killed by the vaccine?
Provide 5 names for each please.
I don’t know of anyone who was killed BY Covid. Nor does anyone else. We do know that the CDC has said that 95% of deaths attributed to Covid actually had an average of 4 comorbidities – which leaves only 5% who died FROM Covid. We also know that hospitals were being threatened and bribed to count every death as a Covid death to stoke the fear and usher in the age of the experimental gene-altering jabs and tyrannical lockdowns, etc. So how many of that 5% actually died FROM Covid? We also know that the US usually has about 30-40 MILLION flu cases each year, but only had 3000 in 2020. And we know from the CDC that the PCR test can’t distinguish between Covid and the seasonal flu anyway – so how many of the 5% died from the flu, and not Covid?
On the other hand, VAERS already lists 20,000 deaths associated with these jabs. And even the lying MSM will tell you that VAERS represents only 10% of the actual numbers because most go unreported (especially today when hospitals are being coerced/bribed to NOT report to VAERS).
But among the famous we have Eric Clapton, who was afraid he’d never play guitar again…
We have Sergio Aguero who collapsed on the pitch for heart problems during a Barcelona match last week…
And we have 24 year old hockey player Boris Sadecky who collapsed on the ice during a match, and died three days later from heart problems…
The last two are young healthy men in their prime. They are among THOUSANDS of young healthy men (and boys) in their prime who are having serious lifelong heart problems like myocarditis after getting the jab.
If you seriously want to know the TRUTH of the matter, all you have to do is look. Use Duck Duck Go instead of Google. Search on Telegram and Gab and The Gateway Pundit instead of Facebook and Twitter. Watch Rumble and Bitchute instead of YouTube. It’s all right there for you. You only have to WANT to find it. Or you can sit back and parrot MSM narratives because it’s easier for you. Your choice.
In the meantime, I’ll try to keep posting some real truth bombs here for anyone who’s interested.
Why do they take the masks off right after the MSM is done with their photos and videos? Logical thinking required.
Here’s another, at the G7 Summit. Why do the elites wear masks outside in front of the the MSM cameras – but then take them off as soon as they get inside where they know they aren’t being broadcast to any news channels?
Watch it happen in real time here… https://t.me/WeTheMedia/38856
So why the mask OUTDOORS, but no mask INDOORS, guys? There are literally HUNDREDS of clips like this you can find on Telegram and Gab (they are blocked on FB, Twitter, and YouTube). Politicians all wearing masks until they think the cameras are done, and then immediately take them off and start shaking hands and hugging, etc. Why do you think they do this?
Looking for a logical thinking answer from Proclaimer, Gene, or Adam.
It’s almost as if you hope the virus remains forever, so you can eventually feel vindicated over taking an experimental injection – the alleged protection of which has long since waned to zero anyway.
I hated taking the vaccine because there is a risk. I just hate getting Covid-19 with no antibodies more because it is much more risky.. Simple as that.
Proclaimer: I hated taking the vaccine because there is a risk. I just hate getting Covid-19 with no antibodies more because it is much more risky.. Simple as that.
But since you don’t KNOW that it is “more risky”, you took something you say you hated because you blindly believed the lying MSM and Big Pharma, right?
What if they come out with an experimental gene-altering code they can inject you with to give you “more protection” from a common cold? Will you take it because your risk of dying from a common cold is so high? Probably not.
But what you don’t seem to know is that Covid is a “coronavirus”. And “coronavirus” is the scientific name for “common cold”.
And you obviously didn’t do any research to find out that your risk of death from Covid is less than the seasonal flu or getting struck by lightning.
And to top it off, you didn’t research to see their PROOF that the jab offers you ANY protection at all – let alone the 90% they first proclaimed. But there ISN’T any proof to support their claim. And as we now know, there is NO DIFFERENCE between vaxxed and unvaxxed for hospitalizations and deaths. Actually, there are MORE vaxxed people being hospitalized and dying “from Covid” than there are unvaxxed.
So you did something you hated all for nothing – because liars told you to.
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