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Carmel: ANSWER Mike, ARE THOSE SUPPOSED THREE MEN HUMANS OF EARTH? YES OR NO PLEASE!
NO. Now you answer:
If God flooded the earth when these “men” were visiting Abraham, would God need to move them to another planet to save them from the flood? YES or NO, please.
Mike: Why on earth would there even be a NEED for Project Loon with 20,000 “space satellites” already orbiting the earth and covering every square inch of it all the time?
Proclaimer: The obvious thing that anyone who is not brainwashed can see is that there are indeed satellites that orbit the earth that got there from rockets and there are smaller satellites that balloons can take up to a lower orbit which I imagine is a lot cheaper than using rockets. The reason why balloons would be used. You seem to think that balloon transportation to low orbit trumps rockets that take satellites to higher orbits that balloons cannot reach.
Why on earth would you think such a thing?
You are doing a great job of making my point for me. We both agree that satellites in higher orbits would be MUCH BETTER at doing anything and everything a balloon satellite can do. Accepting the claim that there are already over 10,000 satellites in orbit – covering every square inch of earth at all times – why would there even be a NEED for Project Loon and its far less effective balloon satellites?
That is the question I asked you. What is your answer?
Hi Mike,
ME: ANSWER Mike, ARE THOSE SUPPOSED THREE MEN HUMANS OF EARTH? YES OR NO PLEASE!
You: NO. Now you answer:
If God flooded the earth when these “men” were visiting Abraham, would God need to move them to another planet to save them from the flood? YES or NO, please.
Me: THE ABOVE IS A NONSENSICAL QUESTION, Mike!
Mike, WOULD YOU PLEASE MAINTAIN YOUR ARGUMENTS IN RELATION TO SCRIPTURE,
THE WORD OF GOD, AND NOT IN RELATION TO YOUR CARNAL-MINDED MENTALITY, WHICH IS NOTHING OF GOD!
NOW READ AGAIN WHAT I DID ASK YOU:
ANSWER Mike, ARE THOSE SUPPOSED THREE MEN,
HUMANS OF EARTH?
YES OR NO PLEASE!HUMANS OF HEAVEN?
YES OR NO PLEASE!ALSO, I DID ASK YOU:
JUST TO MAKE THINGS CLEAR FOR YOU!
IS THERE ANOTHER VERSE BY ANY CHANCE IN SCRIPTURE ON ITS OWN
LIKE IN GENESIS 1:1 THAT SAYS
“GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH!”
I AM WAITING
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel
Everything you try to make us “swallow” is not approved BY CHRIST, NOR BY HIS APOSTLES, NOR BY HIS PROPHETS…. IT’S TIME TO BUILD ON THE ROCK…Matthew 7: 24/27: Whoever hears these words that I say and puts them into practice, will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain fell, the torrents came, the winds blew and blew against this house: it did not fall, because it was founded on rock. 26 But whoever hears these words of mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain fell, the torrents came, the winds blew and beat down this house: it fell, and its ruin was great.
Hi Mike,
ME: READ AGAIN AND RESPECT THE SCRIPTURE NOT YOUR STUBBORNNESS:
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
NOW ANSWER AGAIN PLEASE:
DO YOU MEAN THAT
GOD THE FATHER, PERFECT,
DID NOT CREATE THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH IN Genesis 1:1YES OR NO PLEASE!
YOU: Yes, that is what I mean.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
ME: READ AGAIN ABOVE AND RESPECT THE SCRIPTURE NOT YOUR STUBBORNNESS:
ANSWER PLEASE:
WHO CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH IN GENESIS 1:1
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
I think it’s more a matter of what YOU don’t understand. First of all, you need to understand that satellites are now, and always have been, observation platforms that are attached to balloons and float along with air currents that go different directions around the earth depending on altitude.
This is looney tunes Mike. 100% cult 0% science.
Yes balloons exist. What if I told you that balloons do not exist. You would provide all this evidence right? Now do the same for satellites and stop being a proud biased cult member peddling untruths or lies. It won’t end well.
Hi Berean
YOU: Carmel
Everything you try to make us “swallow” is not approved BY CHRIST, NOR BY HIS APOSTLES, NOR BY HIS PROPHETS…. IT’S TIME TO BUILD ON THE ROCK…Matthew 7: 24/27: Whoever hears these words that I say and puts them into practice,
will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock.
25 The rain fell, the torrents came, the winds blew and blew against this house: it did not fall,
because it was founded on rock.
ANSWER BEREAN PLEASE:
EXPLAIN HOW IN YOUR OPINION
ONE PUTS JESUS’ OWN WORDS (SPIRITUAL) INTO PRACTICE AND BE LIKE A WISE MAN WHO BUILDS HIS
house on “THE ROCK”
NOTICE BEREAN, JESUS SAID:
“ON THE ROCK”, SINGULAR!
NOT ON ROCKS!
WE DON’T BUILD OUR HOUSES ON ONE ROCK BUT
ON ROCKS
NOW WHO IS
“THE ROCK”?
NEVER MIND BEREAN YOU ARE ALSO LIVING ON MILK I’M AFRAID, even worse then Mike is, WITH EVERY RESPECT SINCE YOU NEVER ANSWERED MOST IF NOT ALL MY QUESTIONS, SO
READ HEREUNDER
1 Corinthians 10:4 And all drank the same SPIRITUAL ROCK; (and they drank of the SPIRITUAL ROCK that followed them,
and the rock was Christ.)
BEREAN, NOTICE AGAIN PLEASE, THE ROCK IS NOT JESUS THE MAN, HUMAN, WHEN HE SPOKE THOSE PRECISE WORDS, BUT
CHRIST, JESUS glorified,
GODMAN
BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH
CHRIST JESUS
ATTENTION BEREAN:
You: Everything you try to make us “swallow”
is not approved BY CHRIST,
BEREAN YOU ARE WRONG I’M AFRAID!
Galatians 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God?
Or do I seek to please men? (YOU AND MIKE)
If I yet pleased men,
I should not be the servant of Christ.
Berean just to remind you, read what I asked you please, BACK IN MY POST
JUNE 17, 2022 AT 10:49 AM #932133:
ME: NOW THE SUBSTANCE AND ESSENCE OF GOD IS SPIRIT! NOTHING ELSE!
DO YOU AGREE?
YES OR NO?You: NO
THIS IS NOT BIBLICAL….John4: 24 God is a spirit;
and they that adore him, must adore him
in spirit and in truth.
Berean, explain what the biblical declaration
“GOD IS A SPIRIT” above MEANS?
to the next one:
John6:63It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth:
the flesh profiteth nothing.ME: TO WHOM DOES THE “SPIRIT” MENTIONED ABOVE BELONG TO?
TO GOD THE FATHER,
TO JESUS or
BOTH TO GOD THE FATHER and JESUS! WELL ASSERTED IN
John10:30 I and the Father are one.( SPIRIT SUBSTANCE) Well asserted in
HEBREWS 1:3 Who being the brightness of his (FATHER’S) glory,
and the figure of his (FATHER’S) substance,To the next one:
You: THIS IS SPIRITUALISM….
ME: EXPLAIN WHAT SPIRITUALISM IS PLEASE!
to the next one:
1Corinthians 2:10 But to us God hath revealed them, by this SPIRIT.
For the SPIRIT searcheth all things,
yea, the deep things of God. (SPIRITS)
11For what man knoweth the things of a man,
but THE SPIRIT of a man that is in him?
So the things also that are of God no man knoweth,
but the Spirit of God.
12Now we have received not THE SPIRIT of this world,
but the Spirit that is of God;
that we may know the things that are given us from God. 13Which things also we speak, not in the learned words of human wisdom;
but in the doctrine of the Spirit,
comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14But the sensual man perceiveth not these things that are of
the Spirit of God;
for it is foolishness to him, (ARE THEY SO TO YOU)
and he cannot understand, (CAN’T YOU UNDERSTAND)
because it is SPIRITUALLY examined.
Berean, IS THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE TALKING ABOUT
“SPIRITUALISM” ?
YES OR NO PLEASE?
ARE YOU A SENSUAL MAN BY ANY CHANCE?
YES OR NO PLEASE:
TO THE NEXT ONE:
You: ALL THE SPIRITS ARE NOT IN GOD BEFORE CREATION.
ME: do you accept that ADAM WAS CREATED IN THE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF GOD?
YES OR NO?
NOW IF YES:
DO YOU ACCEPT THAT IN ADAM WHEN HE WAS CREATED AS
A LIVING SOUL, OUR SPIRITUAL FATHER,
THE ENTIRE CREATION ALL SOULS, WERE ALL IN ADAM?
YES or NO?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Mike: If God flooded the earth when these “men” were visiting Abraham, would God need to move them to another planet to save them from the flood? YES or NO, please.
Carmel: THE ABOVE IS A NONSENSICAL QUESTION, Mike!
No it’s not. Here’s what’s going on…
1. You claimed that David was on the “first perfect spiritual earth”.
2. You said that Satan destroyed this earth and that God rescued David by placing him on another planet.
3. You later said that there were no “humans like us” on the “first perfect spiritual earth”.
4. I asked if David was a human on this “first perfect spiritual earth”.
5. You avoided the question by asking if Enoch and Jesus are still human.
6. You now seem to be implying that David was like the three “men” who came from heaven to visit with Abraham – who were also on earth but not “humans like us”.
Okay… it’s your made up story and you can tell it any way you want to. But IF David was like the three men who visited Abraham when he dwelled on your “first perfect spiritual earth”, then there would be no need for God to move David to another planet to save him from a flood/destruction.
So answer the dang question, Carmel. If the earth suddenly flooded while these three heavenly “men” were visiting with Abraham, would God have to move THEM to another planet to save them from some water? YES or NO?
Carmel: Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
ME: READ AGAIN ABOVE AND RESPECT THE SCRIPTURE NOT YOUR STUBBORNNESS:ANSWER PLEASE:
WHO CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH IN GENESIS 1:1
NOBODY!
Listen very carefully this time, so you don’t have to KEEP asking the same question I’ve DIRECTLY answered many times already… There existed NO heaven and NO earth in Gen 1:1. Gen 1:1 is an introductory statement. Gen 2:1 is the summary statement… Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
The information that falls BETWEEN Gen 1:1 and Gen 2:1 describes the creation event.
God didn’t create the heaven until a day AFTER Gen 1:1 – meaning there didn’t yet exist a heaven in Gen 1:1 – meaning that NOBODY created a heaven in Gen 1:1.
God didn’t create the earth until two days AFTER Gen 1:1 – meaning there didn’t yet exist an earth in Gen 1:1 – meaning that NOBODY created an earth in Gen 1:1.
So you want to know who created the heaven and earth in Gen 1:1? The same person who created the plants in Genesis 2:4-5… This is the account of the heaven and the earth when they were created, when the LORD God made the earth and the heavens. Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground…
Do you understand yet?
Carmel, who created the plants (or Adam, or Eve) in Gen 2:4? What is your answer?
Mike: You are doing a great job of making my point for me. We both agree that satellites in higher orbits would be MUCH BETTER at doing anything and everything a balloon satellite can do. Accepting the claim that there are already over 10,000 satellites in orbit – covering every square inch of earth at all times – why would there even be a NEED for Project Loon and its far less effective balloon satellites?
That is the question I asked you. What is your answer?
Proclaimer: This is looney tunes Mike. 100% cult 0% science.
Yes balloons exist. What if I told you that balloons do not exist. You would provide all this evidence right? Now do the same for satellites and stop being a proud biased cult member peddling untruths or lies. It won’t end well.
So now two times in a row, you have made a response that didn’t include an actual ANSWER to the question I keep asking. What does that tell you, Pretender? It tells me that you also realize that there simply ISN’T a valid reason for Project Loon, or for any of the thousands of satellites we have floating around on balloons right now.
If space satellites in orbit were real, then 20 of them could do the same job (and so much more) than 20 million satellites floating around on balloons. You realize this, right? So why then the NEED for Project Loon? You won’t answer because you realize there doesn’t exist a valid answer, right?
So, we’ve learned that people have been steering balloons for centuries – which answered your first, “LOL, how could they steer them?” question from incredulity, right?
And we’ve learned that Project Loon was designed to bring internet connectivity to remote regions of the earth, right?
We just can’t seem to figure out WHY we’d need thousands of balloon satellites to do that, when a single geostationary satellite in space orbit would be able to do the same dang job. And if we accept the claims that we have THOUSANDS of space satellites orbiting all around the ball (many of them geostationary), it seems redundant, wasteful, and completely unnecessary to send a bunch of satellites up on balloons to do a job that is ALREADY BEING DONE by the space satellites, doesn’t it?
So since you were unable to tell us why there’s even a need for Project Loon and its helium balloons, maybe you could tell us why NASA is the biggest consumer of helium in the world. Could THEY be using helium balloons for THEIR satellites too?
And then, if you’re feeling really ambitious, you could tell us why there is even a NEED for our vast and very expensive undersea data cable network…
… or why – with all of those space satellites – we can track airplane flights over land and a certain amount of miles away from the coasts, but then lose all tracking capabilities over the vast oceans until they get close to another coast again. It’s almost like we can track them wherever there are cables and towers, but not beyond those places. Why would that be with 10,000 space satellites covering every square inch of the earth at all times?
I’m just asking questions here. Are there any VALID answers to them?
Hi Mike,
6. You now seem to be implying that David was like the three “men” who came from heaven to visit with Abraham – who were also on earth but not “humans like us”.
ME: THAT’S YOUR NONSENSICAL ILLUSIONS. SINCE YOU IGNORED CLEAR SCRIPTURES. PSALM 18, and Job 38:8-21,
Okay… it’s your made up story and you can tell it any way you want to. But IF David was like the three men who visited Abraham when he dwelled on your “first perfect spiritual earth”, then there would be no need for God to move David to another planet to save him from a flood/destruction.
READ PSALM 18, and Job 38:8-21, THEN YOU CAN COME BACK WITH YOUR QUESTIONS IN RELATION TO YOUR UNDERSTANDINGS OF THE MENTIONED SCRIPTURES.
YOU: So answer the dang question, Carmel……
WE ARE DISCUSSING SPECIFIC SCRIPTURES IN RELATION TO THE FLOOD, SO AS I SAID ABOVE REFER TO PSALM 18, and Job 38:8-21, AND NO MORE NONSENSICAL QUESTIONS.
NOW YOU DIDN’T ANSWER THE REMAINING PART OF MY QUESTION,
WHICH IS VITAL BOTH TO YOUR QUESTION AND ANSWER!
SO I REPEAT AGAIN:
ANSWER Mike, ARE THOSE SUPPOSED THREE MEN,
HUMANS OF HEAVEN?
YES OR NO PLEASE!
SO WE CAN KEEP ON GOING FORWARD TO THE TRUTH!
ALSO, I DID ASK YOU:
IS THERE ANOTHER VERSE BY ANY CHANCE IN SCRIPTURE ON ITS OWN
LIKE IN GENESIS 1:1 THAT SAYS
“GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH!”
Mike, you said that I don’t know what the word “FIRST” means!
IT SEEMS QUITE CLEAR TO ME THAT YOU ARE THE ONE WHO DOESN’T KNOW WHAT THE WORD “FIRST” MEANS.
WASN’T I THE “FIRST” THAT ASKED YOU THESE QUESTIONS IN THE SAME POST?
SO, Mike, YOU MUST HAVE TO ANSWER “FIRST” NO?
I AM WAITING
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Berean: Carmel
Everything you try to make us “swallow” is not approved BY CHRIST, NOR BY HIS APOSTLES, NOR BY HIS PROPHETS…I seriously think he’s off his rocker, Berean. Not an insult, but a serious conclusion that he has mental problems. He just posted this to you…
“DO YOU ACCEPT THAT IN ADAM WHEN HE WAS CREATED AS
A LIVING SOUL, OUR SPIRITUAL FATHER,
THE ENTIRE CREATION ALL SOULS, WERE ALL IN ADAM?
YES or NO?”
What the freak does that even mean? The entire creation of all souls was “in” Adam? 🤔
What does that nonsense have to do with what you said to him anyway? And why so many dang spaces between sentence segments? Why are his words always broken up into incoherent and hard to follow pieces of gibberish? Why not just ask a question like a normal person and give a normal answer to our questions?
Might be time for me to walk away from this unstable mind.
Carmel: NO MORE NONSENSICAL QUESTIONS.
Agreed. I have no more time for your nonsensical theories, claims, or questions. Goodbye Carmel. I wish you all the best and will pray that God return you to a sane state.
Hi Mike,
YOU: If God flooded the earth when these “men” were visiting Abraham, would God need to move them to another planet to save them from the flood? YES or NO, please.
Me: THE ABOVE IS A NONSENSICAL QUESTION, Mike!
You: No it’s not. Here’s what’s going on…
YES, Mike, it is a nonsensical question I’m afraid. YOU KNOW THAT THOSE SUPPOSED THREE MEN WERE NOT BORN ON THIS PLANET IN THE FIRST PLACE, THE FACT THAT YOU SAID NO!
YOU ALSO KNOW VERY WELL, THAT ONE OF THOSE SUPPOSED THREE MEN WAS THE LORD JESUS HIMSELF! SO ISN’T IT A NON-SENSICAL QUESTION TO ASK
“IF GOD flooded the earth when these “men” were visiting Abraham, would God need to move them to another planet to save them from the flood? YES or NO, please.
DON’T YOU KNOW THAT GOD WAS IN JESUS AT THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT IN TIME? HE ALSO COULD DO ALL THAT HE WANTED NO? EVEN FLOODING THE EARTH AND STILL LEAVING THOSE THREE MEN SAFE ON THIS PLANET. DIDN’T JESUS STOP AND CONTROL THE SEA AND THE WIND AND SAVE HIS APOSTLES Mr. Mike?
1. You claimed that David was on the “first perfect spiritual earth”.
NOT ME SCRIPTURES SAY SO!
2. You said that Satan destroyed this earth and that God rescued David by placing him on another planet.
What does the scripture hereunder clearly say?
Psalm 18:16 He sent from on high,
and took me: and received me out of many waters.
17He delivered me from my strongest enemies, and from them that hated me: for they were too strong for me.
18They prevented me in the day of my affliction: and the Lord became my protector.
19And he brought me forth into a large place:
he saved me, because he was well pleased with me.
You: 3. You later said that there were no “humans like us” on the “first perfect spiritual earth”.
Genesis 1:27 And God created man to his own image:…..
Me: The above scripture confirms that God created man in the six-day creation, not before.
You: 4. I asked if David was a human on this “first perfect spiritual earth”.
ME: The above is your first nonsensical question, as you well know that God created man in Genesis 1:27, not before.
5. You avoided the question by asking if Enoch and Jesus are still humans.
ME: What kind of answer would you expect. I asked you if Jesus, Enoch, and Elijah ARE NON-HUMANS, AS YOU WELL KNOW, THAT THEY ARE HUMANS LIKE US, and are the only humans who somehow went back to heaven, and YOU ALSO KNOW that they were humans LIKE US, SIMPLY, AS THEY WERE BORN ON THIS PLANET LIKE US, NO?
THEY NEVER CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN AS HUMANS!
LIKE THOSE SUPPOSED THREE MEN! Mr. Mike
By the way those three supposed men are, MICHAEL, GABRIEL, and JESUS! WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT……..PIGEON!
I ALSO ASKED YOU, BUT AGAIN YOU WERE PREOCCUPIED WITH TO ANSWER,
ARE THOSE SUPPOSED THREE MEN,
HUMANS OF HEAVEN?
THEY WERE DEFINITELY NOT LIKE US SINCE THEY WERE NOT BORN ON THIS PLANET, NO?
You: 6. You now seem to be implying that David was like the three “men” who came from heaven to visit with Abraham – who were also on earth but not “humans like us”.
NO Mike, IT IS YOU WHO ARE SO DESPERATE TO SHOOT QUESTIONS AND SIMPLY KEEP ON BAMBOOZLING. THOSE THREE SUPPOSED HUMANS WERE NOT HUMANS LIKE US, DAVID WAS A HUMAN LIKE US AS HE WAS BORN LIKE US ON THIS PLANET. AT ONE STAGE DAVID WAS A SPIRIT BEING, LIKE ALL OF US WERE, BEFORE THE CREATION OF THIS PARTICULAR WORLD. READ AND REFLECT ON THE FEW VERSES OF PSALM 18 ABOVE!
JUST READ THIS VERSE:
18 They prevented me in the day of my affliction: and the Lord became my protector.
DAVID, A SPIRIT/HUMAN BEING, LOST HIS SPIRITUAL STATE, AND COULD NOT FUNCTION THE WAY HE USED TO! HE SIMPLY BECAME HARD, BUT HE REALIZED THAT SOMEHOW HE SINNED AGAINST GOD, HE WAS TORMENTED, IN MISERY AND HE PRAYED TO GOD FOR HELP AS THEY WERE ABOUT TO KILL HIM, AS THEY DID TO ALL CREATURES. THIS INCIDENT IS PERSONIFIED IN THE FIGHT OF DAVID AGAINST GOLIATH. GOD SAVED HIM FOR THE SAKE OF JUSTICE, TRUTH, AND CONTINUITY OF CREATION, IN THIS WORLD, THE FACT THAT THE MESSIAH HAD TO BE A DESCENDANT OF DAVID, THE ONLY ONE SAVED FROM THE FIRST SPIRITUAL WORLD. God was about to do the same thing when He said to Moses that He would destroy all the Jews and start all over anew again only through Moses, but Moses refused.
Exodus 32:10 Let me alone, that my wrath may be kindled against them, and that I may destroy them, and I will make of thee a great nation.
Okay… it’s your made up story and you can tell it any way you want to. But IF David was like the three men who visited Abraham when he dwelled on your “first perfect spiritual earth”, then there would be no need for God to move David to another planet to save him from a flood/destruction.
So answer the dang question, Carmel. If the earth suddenly flooded while these three heavenly “men” were visiting with Abraham, would God have to move THEM to another planet to save them from some water? YES or NO?
THE ABOVE IS A PURE NONSENSICAL QUESTION Mr. Mike!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Proclaimer, still waiting for a REASON for Project Loon when there are already thousands of satellites orbiting the earth that could do everything Loon could do and more.
Give me a valid REASON.
What could a balloon satellite possibly do that the thousands of LEO satellites aren’t already doing?
Why are new hotels being built in cities when there are already hotels available. Why are new sports stadiums being built when stadiums already exist. Why are new cars being built when the planet is full of cars. Honestly Mike, you can work this out yourself. Different businesses / owners / countries / services that compete with one another.
As for the internet, it is designed to survive nuclear war. The concept behind the web for example is traffic can be rerouted if part of the infrastructure goes down. It’s where the term web came from. And having connection capability via cables, wireless, satellites, microsatellites is clever. And remember that these technologies were developed at different times. Phone lines, fibre optic were the first I think, but satellites were more expensive to run, hence why that satellite phone company went bust back in the 90s i think it was. Sky uses satellite, but there was cable too. These are different businesses competing with one another. Then Muck created Star Link which is a new technology and perhaps more competitive. Remember Mike, when a new company wants to compete with entrenched competitors, they had a disadvantage, but have the advantage of building using newer technologies. And why do we have balloon launching and rocket launching too when one is cheaper than the other? Because balloons take microsatellites to low earth orbit whereas rockets take bigger payloads higher up.
If you wanted to start up a company to install swimming pools, would you think there was no point as such companies already exist? That’s your answer right there Mike. the free market where anyone can trade and do business. we don’t live in a Communist country yet.
Hi Mike,
First and foremost, I ignored the fact that in your last post you quit, in order to answer the posts prior to that.
Me Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
ME: READ AGAIN ABOVE AND RESPECT THE SCRIPTURE NOT YOUR STUBBORNNESS:ANSWER PLEASE:
WHO CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH IN GENESIS 1:1
You: NOBODY!
Listen very carefully this time, so you don’t have to KEEP asking the same question I’ve DIRECTLY answered many times already…
There existed NO heaven and NO earth in Gen 1:1.
Gen 1:1 is an introductory statement. Gen 2:1 is the summary statement… Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
The information that falls BETWEEN Gen 1:1 and Gen 2:1 describes the creation event.
God didn’t create the heaven until a day AFTER Gen 1:1 –
meaning there didn’t yet exist a heaven in Gen 1:1 –
meaning that NOBODY created a heaven in Gen 1:1.
God didn’t create the earth until two days AFTER Gen 1:1 –
meaning there didn’t yet exist an earth in Gen 1:1 –
meaning that NOBODY created an earth in Gen 1:1.
Me: NOW , Mike, READ YOUR OWN WORDS FROM PAGE 55:
FEBRUARY 13, 2022 AT 1:52 PM #900138
You: Genesis 1:1 says God created the heaven and the earth.
God later wrote on a tablet with His own finger that in six days, He created the heaven and the earth.
So yes, 1:1 is the first part of what God did on the very first day (Gen 1:1-5).
The world was dark, and then later in that same first day, God created light, and then separated the light from the darkness – effectively creating “days” and “nights”.
All of these things happened on the very first day of creation.
NOW Mr. Mike,
As you can well read, in the post from page 55, above you declared that
Genesis 1:1 is the first part of God’s creation, more proper:
THE BEGINNING OF CREATION! NO?
MEANING YOU ADMITTED THAT IN
GENESIS 1:1 GOD, IN THE BEGINNING, CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH!
WHILE IN THE POST WE ARE DISCUSSING NOW ON THIS PAGE,
WHEN I ASKED YOU
WHO CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH IN GENESIS 1:1
YOU DECLARED:
NOBODY!
THUS TO MAKE SURE WHAT’S IN YOUR MIND Mike, I REPEAT:
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
ME: READ AGAIN ABOVE AND RESPECT THE SCRIPTURE NOT YOUR STUBBORNNESS:
ANSWER PLEASE:
WHO CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH IN GENESIS 1:1
GOD or NOBODY
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Mike: Proclaimer, still waiting for a REASON for Project Loon when there are already thousands of satellites orbiting the earth that could do everything Loon could do and more.
Give me a valid REASON.
What could a balloon satellite possibly do that the thousands of LEO satellites aren’t already doing?
Proclaimer: Why are new hotels being built in cities when there are already hotels available. Why are new sports stadiums being built when stadiums already exist. Why are new cars being built when the planet is full of cars. Honestly Mike, you can work this out yourself. Different businesses / owners / countries / services that compete with one another.
The answer to ALL of your examples: Because there is a NEED/DEMAND for those new things. Take your example of cars… How many horse buggies are coming off the Ford assembly lines these days? None? Why? Oh… because the existence of automobiles have made horse buggies irrelevant. There is no more NEED of them, and therefore no more DEMAND for them.
Project Loon is like the horse buggy in world already inundated with space satellite “automobiles”. It doesn’t do a dang thing that isn’t already being done more efficiently by a different product.
So please try again. Nobody who can already have internet access via the thousands of space satellites that are already there would have NEED of a different source of what they already have. There would be no DEMAND for it.
On the Project Loon website that I linked earlier, the REASON they themselves gave for the project was internet connectivity in “remote locations”. Now ask yourself how, with thousands of satellites already delivering every square inch of the earth with internet connectivity – including “remote locations” – their REASON makes any sense.
I ask again: What could a balloon satellite possibly do that the thousands of LEO satellites aren’t already doing?
What is your DIRECT, SUCCINCT, and HONEST answer to that question.
Hi Mike,
You: I seriously think he’s off his rocker, Berean.
Not an insult,
but a serious conclusion that he has mental problems. He just posted this to you…
“DO YOU ACCEPT THAT IN ADAM WHEN HE WAS CREATED AS
A LIVING SOUL, OUR SPIRITUAL FATHER,
THE ENTIRE CREATION ALL SOULS, WERE ALL IN ADAM?
YES or NO?”
Mike, I posted the above on the 26Th of June, Berean never answered yet, of which I doubt he ever will do, for the simple reason that he used a piece of scripture to justify himself, and instead that same scripture directly contradicted him.
You: What the freak does that even mean?
Me: What could one expect from a person like you, totally anchored on human wisdom, which is nothing of God, plus that throughout all your posts you can hardly refer to one of God’s spiritual tasks, or events. Despite the fact that scripture is totally spiritual
“THE WORD” of God.
Read
John5:39 Search the scriptures, for you think in them to have life everlasting; and the same are they that
give testimony of me.
1Corinthians 2:12Now we have received not the spirit of this world,
but the Spirit that is of God; ( “THE WORD”! James 1:21)
that we may know the things (SPIRITUAL) that are given us from God.
ATTENTION Mike,
13Which things also we speak, (SPIRITUALLY)
not in the learned words of human wisdom; (by which YOU Mike, CONSIDER YOURSELF WISE, WHILE ACCORDING TO YOU, I HAVE MENTAL PROBLEMS AND UNSTABLE MIND)
but in the doctrine of the Spirit,
comparing spiritual things with spiritual.14But the sensual man perceiveth not these things that are of
the Spirit of God;
for it is foolishness to him, (ISN’T ALSO SO TO YOU?)
and he cannot understand, ( ISN’T IT THE TRUE REASON THAT YOU QUIT? )
because it is SPIRITUALLY examined.
You: The entire creation of all souls was “in” Adam?
ME: ISN’T ADAM THE SPIRITUAL FATHER OF THE HUMAN RACE BEFORE HE
DIED SPIRITUALLY?
AND IF HE DIED SPIRITUALLY DIDN’T HE BECOME THE CARNAL AND CURSED FATHER OF THE HUMAN RACE, MORTAL?
CAN’T YOU SEE THAT SPIRITUALLY, THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE, BOTH SOUL AND FLESH, WAS IN ADAM ON HIS CREATION, ON THE WAY TO HOLINESS, BUT HE FAILED?
NOW IF YOU CANNOT SEE THAT, HOW ON EARTH CAN YOU SEE AND ACCEPT THAT
JESUS, THE NEW ADAM, IS THE NEW FATHER OF THE HUMAN RACE ON HIS BIRTH, AND THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE WAS ALL IN THE SON OF MAN, THE REDEEMER,
BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH, BOTH THE HOLY GHOST AND “THE WORD” John 4:36-37
SINCE ADAM DIED BOTH SPIRITUALLY AND IN HIS FLESH;
IN ORDER FOR JESUS TO INTEGRATE ALL SPIRITUALLY IN HIMSELF, BOTH SOUL AND FLESH AND REESTABLISH PERFECTION ANEW, John 4:34-35
BY HIS OWN PERFECT LIFE, IN HIS FLESH “THE WORD” THE SON OF MAN, AND
HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS, ON THIS SATANIC WORLD,
BY WHICH DEATH, HE RECONCILED THE ENTIRE CREATION AND THE PROCESS OF THE HUMAN RACE ALL SPIRITUALLY TO THE FATHER! SPIRIT! John17:1-2
What does that nonsense have to do with what you said to him anyway?
Me: Mike read again what Berean said hereunder:
Carmel
Everything you try to make us “swallow” is not approved BY CHRIST, NOR BY HIS APOSTLES, NOR BY HIS PROPHETS…. IT’S TIME TO BUILD ON THE ROCK…Matthew 7: 24/27: Whoever hears these words that I say and puts them into practice, will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain fell, the torrents came, the winds blew and blew against this house:
it did not fall, because it was founded on rock.
26 But whoever hears these words of mine, and does not do them,
will be like a foolish man who built his house on sand.
27 The rain fell, the torrents came, the winds blew and beat down this house:
it fell, and its ruin was great.
Goodbye Mike.
I wish you all the best and WILL PRAY THAT GOD EVENTUALLY WILL HELP YOU TO BUILD THIS HOUSE AGAIN!
NOW FOR THE ICING:
ME: MIKE,
“DO YOU ACCEPT THAT IN ADAM WHEN HE WAS CREATED AS
A LIVING SOUL, OUR SPIRITUAL FATHER,
THE ENTIRE CREATION ALL SOULS, WERE ALL IN ADAM?
YES or NO?”
You: What the freak does that even mean?
The entire creation of all souls was “in” Adam?
HONESTLY SPEAKING, JUST NOW MIKE, IN THE TASK BAR I WROTE
The entire creation of all souls was “in” Adam?
NOW READ PLEASE:
ixtheo.de/Record/1727648307
Description: ‘We All Were That One Man’ – IxTheoAugustine’s view on the doctrine of original sin is closely informed by his view on the origin of souls. He held that all people were present in Adam when he sinned and, since in Augustine’s view sin is in the first place a matter of the human soul, the question is the following:
how/in what way were all human souls in Adam when he sinned?
And how does Augustine’s answer to that question relate to Plotinus’s doctrine of the pretemporal fall of the pre-existent soul? This article argues that the terminology Augustine uses to describe what happens to the soul reflects Plotinus’s doctrine of a pretemporal fall of the pre-existent soul. While Augustine does not teach a pretemporal fall of the soul, he does teach an ontological fall of the entire human race in Adam. Just like in Plotinus’s Neoplatonic anthropology all souls share a common existence in the one Soul, so Augustine holds all human beings to have a common existence in Adam preceding their individual existence. When Adam sinned, all human beings sinned in this common existence with Adam. This renders them all guilty, even before their concrete appearance in history. Since that guilt is common, it is not an alien guilt, but their own.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
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