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Flat Earth Challenge for @mikeboll64
Man made satellites maintain an altitude by moving at the right velocity to be in a perpetual state of free-fall around the earth. How do man made satellites stay in sky in a flat earth scenario? Surely they would need constant thrust to maintain altitude against ‘downitty’ (or whatever it’s called), if so where does all the fuel come from?
In the same vein, what causes them to circle the earth? This would also require some kind of propulsion.Hi Berean,
ME: NOW THE SUBSTANCE AND ESSENCE OF GOD IS SPIRIT! NOTHING ELSE!
DO YOU AGREE?
YES OR NO?You: NO
THIS IS NOT BIBLICAL….
John4: 24 God is a spirit;
and they that adore him, must adore him
in spirit and in truth.
Berean, explain what the biblical declaration
“GOD IS A SPIRIT” above MEANS?
John 6:62 If then you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth:
the flesh profiteth nothing.
ME: TO WHOM DOES THE “SPIRIT” MENTIONED ABOVE BELONG TO?
TO GOD THE FATHER,
TO JESUS or
BOTH TO GOD THE FATHER and JESUS! WELL ASSERTED IN
John10:30 I and the Father are one.( SPIRIT SUBSTANCE) Well asserted in
HEBREWS 1:3 Who being the brightness of his (FATHER’S) glory,
and the figure of his (FATHER’S) substance,
Joh6:63The WORDS that I have spoken to you,
are SPIRIT and life.
John1:1 IN the beginning was the Word, (SPIRIT)
and the Word was with God, (SPIRIT)
and the Word was God. (SPIRIT)
You: THIS IS SPIRITUALISM….
ME: EXPLAIN WHAT SPIRITUALISM IS PLEASE!
1Corinthians 2:10 But to us God hath revealed them, by this SPIRIT. For the SPIRIT searcheth all things,
yea, the deep things of God. (SPIRITS)
11For what man knoweth the things of a man, but the spirit of a man that is in him?
So the things also that are of God no man knoweth, but the Spirit of God.
12Now we have received not the spirit of this world,
but the Spirit that is of God;
that we may know the things that are given us from God. 13Which things also we speak, not in the learned words of human wisdom; but in the doctrine of the Spirit,
comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14But the sensual man perceiveth not these things that are of the Spirit of God;
for it is foolishness to him, and he cannot understand,
because it is spiritually examined.
Berean, IS THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE TALKING ABOUT
“SPIRITUALISM” ?
ARE YOU A SENSUAL MAN BY ANY CHANCE?
NOBODY KNOWS WHAT IS THE SUBSTANCE AND ESSENCE OF GOD.
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God, as opposed to humans, is made up of one substance, spirit. Because He is spirit, we worship Him in the Spirit, or by means of the Spirit. When Paul wrote to the Philippians he emphasized that we worship God “in the Spirit” or “by the Spirit.”
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GOD IS SPIRIT. The substance of God is spirit, His Word speaking, which is also the true cause and substance of all things visible. All else is futile.
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The same Greek word hupostasis is rendered “substance” in Hebrews 1:3 the Revised Version (British and American), instead of the King James Version “person,” with reference to Christ, “the very image (margin “impress”) of his substance,” i.e. of God’s invisible essence or being, the manifestation of God Himself.
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Although there is a difference between the two, the difference is hard to distinguish. The essence and substance of God is that which underlies His attributes. Spirituality. Jesus said, “God is a spirit” (John 4:24). There are four things involved in God’s spirituality: God is …
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No upvoted answers, so I figured I’d give it a go. There is a thought in Christian philosophy that says that the world is not of God’s substance. A derivative of the Latin word substantia is found in the phrase “consubstantialem Patri” in the Nicene Creed, referring to Jesus, that is the “Word of God” (“Logos”). It is made pretty clear in the creed though that while Word is of the same …
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The ultimate reason of things must lie in a necessary substance, in which the differentiation of the changes only exists eminently as in their source; and this is what we call God. … God alone is the primary Unity, or original simple substance, from which all monads, created and derived, are produced. ( Gottfried Leibniz, 1670)
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The same Greek word hupostasis is rendered “substance” in Hebrews 1:3 the Revised Version (British and American), instead of the King James Version “person,” with reference to Christ, “the very image (margin “impress”) of his substance,” i.e. of God’s invisible essence or being, the manifestation of God Himself. W. L. Walker
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You: ALL THE SPIRITS ARE NOT IN GOD BEFORE CREATION.
ME: do you accept that ADAM WAS CREATED IN THE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF GOD?
YES OR NO?
NOW IF YES:
DO YOU ACCEPT THAT IN ADAM WHEN HE WAS CREATED AS
A LIVING SOUL,
THE ENTIRE CREATION ALL SOULS, WERE ALL IN ADAM
THE FACT THAT HE WAS THE FATHER OF ALL SOULS!
AND THROUGH HIS SIN WE WERE ALL CURSED A DIED SPIRITUALLY!
WHICH MEANS REJECTED BY GOD WHO IS SPIRIT!
YES or NO?
THE LAST ONE:
John 15:26 But when the Paraclete (SPIRIT) cometh, whom I will send you from the Father,(SPIRIT)
the Spirit of truth,
who proceedeth from the Father,
he shall give testimony of me.
You: And it has nothing to do with Genesis 1 and 2
THAT’S ONLY YOUR OPINION, WHICH I RESPECT!
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God (SPIRIT)
created the heavens, (ALSO SPIRITUAL REALMS )
and the earth. (ALSO THE PHYSICAL REALM)
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
NOBODY KNOW WHAT IS THE SUBSTANCE AND ESSENCE OF GOD.
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live?
BUT THE BIBLE(GENESIS1) DOES NOT TALK ABOUT “SPIRITS” NOR SPIRITS OF GOD
But there are seven spirits of God.Revelation 5:6
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.Proclaimer
God is Spirit or as KJB translate God IS a Spirit.
It doesn’t tell us what the substance of God is
.
We, our physical substance is made of atoms, but God HIM of what is HE?
THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY THIS BECAUSE IT IS NOT USEFUL TO KNOW.
GOD IS HOLY, HE IS LOVE, HE IS JUST…ETC
THIS IS WHAT MATTERS…
THE REST THAT IS NOT REVEALED IS NOT FOR HIS CHILDREN.
THIS IS MY OPINION ON IT.BUT THE BIBLE(GENESIS1) DOES NOT TALK ABOUT “SPIRITS” NOR SPIRITS OF GOD
But there are seven spirits of God.Revelation 5:6
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.As a personal being, God has A SPIRIT, A HOLY SPIRIT: THIS IS THE LITERAL MEANING
AS GENESIS 1 SPEAKS ABOUT THE SPIRIT OF GOD AND MANY OTHER PASSAGES…REVELATION 5 AND OTHERS SPEAK OF THE 7 SPIRITS OF GOD, BUT IN THE “SYMBOLICAL” SENSE.
THIS MEANS THAT CHRIST
SPOUT THE SPIRIT OF GOD ON HIS CHURCH DURING THE TIME OF HIS CHURCH’S LIFE ON EARTH.. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent through all the earth.
THE FULLNESS OF GOD’S SPIRIT WILL BE OUTSIDE SHORTLY BEFORE THE RETURN IN GLORY OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:Isaiah 40:5
Then the glory of the Lord will be revealed, and at the same time all flesh will see it; For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.Mike: Revelation 21:1… And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Is John calling the current earth on which we live the FIRST earth?
Carmel: DEFINITELY Mike!
NOW, WHY DID JOHN CALL OUR CURRENT CURSED EARTH THE FIRST EARTH?
Mike, THE VERY FIRST EARTH WAS ENTIRELY SPIRITUAL… NOT INHABITED BY HUMANS LIKE US.
Didn’t you tell me that David lived on “the very first spiritual earth”, and then was sent to another planet by God when Satan destroyed that earth? Was David non-human then?
Carmel: AT THE VERY END GOD ALSO WILL CREATE
FOR THE FIRST-EVER TIME!
A NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH!SO IT WOULD ALSO BE BOTH
THE FIRST AND THE LAST!
I see. So “the very first spiritual earth” was the FIRST earth. And the earth we currently live on is also the FIRST earth. And the new earth that is coming will also be the FIRST earth.
I don’t think you know what the word “first” means, Carmel. But I do agree with you that all spirit proceeds from God, it’s ultimate source. When we die, our spirit returns to He who gave it.
You have acknowledged that John said this first earth that we’re living on will pass away, and there will be a new one. Your idea that there was a previous earth before this FIRST one is not supported by scripture or logic.
Cheers
Carmel: READ AGAIN AND RESPECT THE SCRIPTURE NOT YOUR STUBBORNNESS:
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
NOW ANSWER AGAIN PLEASE:
DO YOU MEAN THAT
GOD THE FATHER, PERFECT,
DID NOT CREATE THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH IN Genesis 1:1
YES OR NO PLEASE!Yes, that is what I mean. Gen 1:1 is an introductory statement. Gen 1:3 begins the actual creative work by God. Gen 1:7 is when God created heaven. And Gen 1:9 is when the earth came into existence.
There is no heaven and no earth in Gen 1:1-2. There was only waters from which both the heaven and earth would be made. So again… NO… God did not create the heaven and earth in Gen 1.1. Heaven was 1:7, and earth was 1:9.
Proclaimer: Flat Earth Challenge for @mikeboll64
Man made satellites maintain an altitude by moving at the right velocity to be in a perpetual state of free-fall around the earth. How do man made satellites stay in sky in a flat earth scenario? Surely they would need constant thrust to maintain altitude against ‘downitty’ (or whatever it’s called), if so where does all the fuel come from?
In the same vein, what causes them to circle the earth? This would also require some kind of propulsion.Would you really like to DISCUSS these things? Because I started a Flat Earth thread a little over 4 years ago to discuss this kind of stuff. For the first few weeks, a lot of members chimed in asking sincere questions. Then you decided that it wasn’t open for honest discussion anymore, and flooded the thread with nothing but “Flat Earth Debunked” videos that you hadn’t watched, and couldn’t defend when I and Dig4Truth exposed the many flaws in those vids. After a while (I think it’s been 3 years now), I had had enough of your childish condescending “only an idiot would believe we live on a pizza” crap and left the thread altogether- because you weren’t willing or able to STAND AND DEFEND your claims (just like with the Bible Vs Scientism debate that you’ve hid from for the last two months).
And at some point, trying to sincerely explain your misconceptions and getting nothing but “Bwahaaha! Flat earth is stupid” in return becomes an exercise in futility.
So… I am ready and willing to once again educate you on this ONE POINT that you’ve asked about above… if YOU are willing to have a respectable discussion about it instead of acting like a child. And it will be this ONE POINT only to start. I don’t want you jumping to “Oh yeah? Well what about this?” and “Oh yeah? Well then what about that?” without FINISHING this first point that YOU asked me about.
Do YOU agree to those terms? Are YOU able to behave yourself and have a respectable back and forth without condescension, ad hominems, and juvenile antics?
Let me know.
(I’ll get to your posts in the private thread first thing tomorrow. It’s been a very long work week.)
Then you decided that it wasn’t open for honest discussion anymore, and flooded the thread with nothing but “Flat Earth Debunked” videos that you hadn’t watched, and couldn’t defend when I and Dig4Truth exposed the many flaws in those vids.
I debunked you on my own many times and even did experiments that you discussed and found the flaws. Yes I also posted lots of debunk videos. That saved me a lot of time. And what is important is the truth.
Time and truth are important. I balanced it well IMO. I’m not going to spend my life debunking flat earth hollow earth,bor shape shifting reptile people. I will debunk lies in the easiest and quickest way possible.
Mission complete. Flat Earth is a lie. I’ve done the research.
So then you DON’T really want to discuss how satellites work? What was the point of tagging me and CHALLENGING me with the question then? 🤔
If we can’t see the Sun because it’s too far away, then why are we still able to see the stars on the dome, which must be even further away than the Sun?
Hi Mike,
FIRST AND FOREMOST
JUST TO REMIND YOU:
GO BACK AND REPLY TO MY POST ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE PLEASE #932077
WHERE I ASKED YOU TO
FIND ANOTHER SCRIPTURE
THAT PRODUCES ANOTHER SIMILAR STATEMENT LIKE
“God made THE EARTH AND THE HEAVENS
God created THE EARTH AND THE HEAVENS
God formed THE EARTH AND THE HEAVENS
God established THE EARTH AND THE HEAVENS
God furnished THE EARTH AND THE HEAVENS
WITH RESPECT TO THE DIFFERENCE THERE IS IN
Genesis 2:4
BETWEEN
the heavens and of the earth ………
the earth and the heavens,
CLEAR NOW?
NOW TO YOUR TOHU AND BOHU OR MORE PROPER IN THIS CASE
CHAOS AND CONFUSION!
YOU: …..Was David non-human then?
MIKE IS JESUS IN HEAVEN NON-HUMAN
YES OR NO? PLEASE!
WAIT READ SCRIPTURE SO YOU DON’T SIMPLY DON’T TELL MORE CONFUSIONS TEC….
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended into heaven, but he that descended from heaven,
the Son of man who is in heaven.
John6:62 If then you shall see the Son of man
ascend up where he was before?
That will do for now
I’m on a hurry
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Proclaimer: Go right ahead. What don’t you understand about satellites?
I think it’s more a matter of what YOU don’t understand. First of all, you need to understand that satellites are now, and always have been, observation platforms that are attached to balloons and float along with air currents that go different directions around the earth depending on altitude. Want to go west? Rise to a westward current. Want to go east? Sink to an eastward current. Consider the Google Loon Project… https://blog.google/alphabet/introducing-project-loon/
From their own 2013 article…
So the idea we pursued was based on freeing the balloons and letting them sail freely on the winds. All we had to do was figure out how to control their path through the sky. We’ve now found a way to do that, using just wind and solar power: we can move the balloons up or down to catch the winds we want them to travel in.
And how do we know that satellites are measuring devices attached to balloons? From the same article…
…for 2 out of every 3 people on earth, a fast, affordable Internet connection is still out of reach…
We believe that it might actually be possible to build a ring of balloons, flying around the globe on the stratospheric winds, that provides Internet access to the earth below… we’ve built a system that uses balloons, carried by the wind at altitudes twice as high as commercial planes, to beam Internet access to the ground at speeds similar to today’s 3G networks or faster.
Question: Why on earth would there even be a NEED for Project Loon with 20,000 “space satellites” already orbiting the earth and covering every square inch of it all the time?
Question: Why would NASA be the largest consumer of helium (by far) for many decades?
A little logical thinking is all that is required.
Now, before you start your condescending tripe all over again, how about you give us all a VALID answer to those two questions first? Then we’d be at the beginning of an actual DISCUSSION – instead of the exercise in futility that your juvenile behavior made the Flat Earth thread into.
Proclaimer, why would there be a need for satellites on balloons if there are already thousands of them orbiting the earth in space? And what use would NASA have for all that helium?
Mike: Was David non-human then?
Carmel: MIKE IS JESUS IN HEAVEN NON-HUMAN
I asked first. What is your answer?
Hi Mike:
You: Was David non-human then?
Me: MIKE IS JESUS IN HEAVEN NON-HUMAN
You: I asked first. What is your answer?
Me: Mike THAT WAS MY ANSWER, THAT’S WHY I NEVER PUT THE INTERROGATION MARK!
SO MY ANSWER IS THE SAME BUT SLIGHTLY BIGGER!
IS ENOCH NON-HUMAN IN HEAVEN
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel, I know the answers to your questions – because they are made evident in the scriptures. I want to hear your direct answer to mine, because there is no scripture that talks about a previous “spiritual earth” that was destroyed, or a “spiritual David” who used to live on it before God sent him to another planet during the battle that destroyed that “spiritual earth”.
So please just give a direct answer to my question. Thanks.
Hi Mike,
You: Carmel, I know the answers to your questions – because they are made evident in the scriptures.
I want to hear your direct answer to mine,
Mike, I SAID THAT
THAT, WAS MY ANSWER!
But I have my ways how to produce my answers in full, so keep on reading:
THIS TIME IN THE BIGGEST FORMAT!
IS ELIJAH IN HEAVEN NON-HUMAN
You: because there is no scripture that talks about a previous “spiritual earth” that was destroyed,
ME: Genesis 1:1In the beginning God created heaven, and earth.
Mike, the above is the first one WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT IT’S YOUR PIGEON!
TO THE NEXT:
Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heaven and the earth,
when they were created, (originally created PERFECT in Genesis 1:1)
in the day (NOT A LITERAL 24-HOUR DAY FROM GOD’S PERSPECTIVE,) that the Lord
God MADE THE EARTH AND THE HEAVEN:
THE ONLY TIME SCRIPTURE DECLARES THAT GOD
FIRST HE MADE THE EARTH AND THEN THE HEAVEN PHYSICALLY!
Genesis 1:2 the earth was already in existence submerged under the water of the flood by Lucifer,
psalm 18, then God established DARKNESS!
NOW TO THE NEXT SCRIPTURE WHICH CLEARLY DESCRIBES THE CREATION OF THE EARTH OF GENESIS 1:1
Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid up the foundations of the earth ? tell me if thou hast understanding.
5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6Upon what are its bases grounded? or who laid the corner stone thereof,
7When the morning stars praised me together, and all the sons of God made a joyful melody?
ANSWER Mike ON WHICH DAY/S GOD DID THE ABOVE IN THE SIX-DAY CREATION?
8Who shut up the sea with doors,
HOW ABOUT THE ABOVE MIKE!
GOD SHUT THE SEA WITH DOORS!
ANSWER WHY, AND WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED SINCE GOD SHUT THE SEAS WITH DOORS!
DIDN’T HE CREATE IT PROPERLY? KEEP ON READING
when it broke forth as issuing out of the womb :
CAN YOU SEE THE TRUTH? IN THE ABOVE IT CLEARLY SAYS THAT THE SEA
BROKE FORTH AS ISSUING OUT OF THE WOMB,
A CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT THE SEA WAS BORN, OR MORE PROPER
OCCURRED FOR THE FIRST-EVER TIME FROM THE WOMB OF THE EARTH BY LUCIFER, LIKE FOUNTAINS! PSALM 18.
9when I MADE a cloud the garment thereof, and wrapped it in a mist as in swaddling bands?
10I set my bounds around it, and MADE it bars and doors :
Mike IN THE ABOVE IT CLEAR SAYS THAT GOD “MADE” AND HAD TO TACKLE AND SORT OUT THIS PARTICULAR SEA, NOT CREATED DIRECTLY BY HIM, HE ALLOWED IT TO OCCUR!
11And I said : Hitherto thou shalt come, and shalt go no further,
ANSWER Mike, TO WHOM GOD, SPOKE IN THE ABOVE? TO THE SEA OR TO LUCIFER!
and here thou shalt break thy swelling waves.
THE ABOVE IS ALSO A CLEAR REFERENCE Genesis 1:6
12Didst thou since thy birth command the morning, and shew the dawning of the day its place?
13And didst thou hold the extremities of the earth shaking them,
and hast thou shaken the ungodly out of it?
WHO WERE THE UNGODLY, Mr. Mike, WHOM GOD SHAKEN OUT OF THE SEA OF GENESIS 1:2 IN ORDER TO START CREATION IN Genesis 1:3
now to the last one
21Didst thou know then
that thou shouldst be born ?
Mike IN THE ABOVE GOD DECLARED THAT JOB, WAS BORN DURING THE CREATION OF THE EARTH OF GENESIS 1:1, AND LUCIFER’S FLOOD.
WAS JOB A SPIRITUAL AND NON-HUMAN IN HEAVEN?
CONFIRMED IN THE LAST PART HEREUNDER.
and didst thou know the number of thy days? (DEFINITELY NOT 24-HOUR DAYS HERE NO? THE SIX-DAY CREATION WAS NOT YET DONE)
YOU: or a “spiritual David” who used to live on it before God sent him to another planet during the battle that destroyed that “spiritual earth”.
NOW FOR CLARITY’S SAKE!
DAVID, THE EARTH, AND ALL THE HEAVENLY REALMS THOUGH THEY WERE SPIRITUAL STILL WERE PHYSICAL, IN DIFFERENT CATEGORIES AND STATES, ALSO THE EARTH HAD MOUNTAINS, LAND, OTHER CREATURES AND SO ON, Jeremiah 4:23-26, THE ONLY THINGS WHICH WERE NOT YET CREATED WERE
THE SEA, and THE SUN!
THE SEA WAS ALLOCATED TO SATAN, AFTER THE SIN OF ADAM, AND THE SUN WAS ALLOCATED TO JESUS,
THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD!
Now read about these two in
Job 38:7 again
When the morning stars praised me together,
Lucifer and Jesus were together ONE EMBODIMENT AND CARRIER OF GOD, as the first SON OF GOD, THE ONLY MYSTERY WAS THAT LUCIFER WAS NEVER AWARE THAT “THE WORD” MADE FLESH, JESUS, THE TRUE BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, AS A SPIRIT WAS IN HIS HEART! FROM THEN ON JESUS AS AN INFINITESIMAL SPIRIT, ETERNAL LIFE, STARTED EMPTYING HIMSELF OF HIS DIVINE SPIRIT IN ORDER FOR GOD TO CREATE ALL BY HIM, ALL IN HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM.
So please just give a direct answer to my question. Thanks.
THERE YOU ARE NOT MUCH OF A NOVEL NO? ONE MORE THOUGH TO READ:
ALSO, MAN in God’s own terms/GIANTS pre-existed in Genesis 1:1 Asserted hereunder:
2 Enoch 1 And, while I slept, a great distress entered my heart, and I was weeping with my eyes in a dream. And I could not figure out what this distress might be, |nor| what might be happening to me. Then two huge men appeared to me, the like of which I had never seen on earth. Their faces were like the shining sun their eyes were like burning lamps from their mouths fire was coming forth; their clothing was various singing their wings were more glistening than gold; their hands were whiter than snow. And they stood at the head of my bed and called me by my name. Then I awake from my sleep, and saw those men, standing in front of me, in actuality.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
I think it’s more a matter of what YOU don’t understand. First of all, you need to understand that satellites are now, and always have been, observation platforms that are attached to balloons and float along with air currents that go different directions around the earth depending on altitude. Want to go west? Rise to a westward current. Want to go east? Sink to an eastward current. Consider the Google Loon Project… https://blog.google/alphabet/introducing-project-loon/
The obvious thing that anyone who is not brainwashed can see is that there are indeed satellites that orbit the earth that got there from rockets and there are smaller satellites that balloons can take up to a lower orbit which I imagine is a lot cheaper than using rockets. The reason why balloons would be used. You seem to think that balloon transportation to low orbit trumps rockets that take satellites to higher orbits that balloons cannot reach.
Why on earth would you think such a thing? Because you are brainwashed with flat earth propaganda.
There was a rocket launch that took place yesterday not far from my home. I find it quite ironic that the biggest failings in the flat earth theory besides not having a model that explains observation is that you rely on ignorance about the southern hemisphere and satellites both of which can be answered by myself who lives in or near both. And has a family member who was involved in some of these launches.
In fact, here is a photo taken by a user of a group I belong to. He took this in the last 24 hours. This is what he posted and I will follow up with other people’s comments who saw it too.
Can we just admire the picture I took 10mins ago I literally pulled over on the side of the highway to take this iv never seen this & its absolutely beautiful and worth getting a fine for. Someone tell me ths beautiful anomalies name. Taken just outside of OTAKI.
“Me and my partner saw this over our house in picton was very weird”
“Marlborough have been posting them too. I missed it in Welly.”
“Was seen in Hawaii”
“Saw this coming home down SH1 around levin , not as clear as this pic tho!’
” SpaceX Falcon9 rocket launching into space this evening, passing by New Zealand just after 7pm. The rocket was at a high enough altitude that it’s exhaust plume was lit up by the sun, allowing us to see it during night time on Earth. We aren’t sure exactly why it takes on a spiral shape, but may be due to the rocket spinning on its axis, or something to do with the de-orbit burn ”
https://stormchasers.co.nz/”What’s behind the ‘bizarre’ lights seen across New Zealand’s sky?
Carmel: THAT, WAS MY ANSWER!
It wasn’t an answer, but two questions. It really doesn’t matter anyway, because my question to you about David was a joke – not an actual question. You claim that the “first spiritual earth” didn’t have humans, right? And I remembered how you said David was on that earth, and God saved him from the flood by sending him to another planet. That’s why I asked – tongue in cheek – if David was a non-human back then.
But you still have another problem anyway. You said this first earth was “ENTIRELY SPIRITUAL”, “NOT TANGIBLE LIKE THIS FIRST CURSED WORLD”, and “NOT INHABITED BY HUMANS LIKE US”.
If that’s the case, then wouldn’t David have had to be a spirit creature from his beginning? And if so, why would a spirit creature need to be moved to another planet to be saved from a flood?
And what happened to David’s peers on this “entirely spiritual earth”? You said David was the only one God saved, right? What happened to his friends and family and peers?
Hi Mike,
YOU: You claim that the “first spiritual earth” didn’t have humans, right?
ME. I cannot remember saying that!
MAN IN GOD’S OWN TERMS IS NOT LIKE US, CURSED, BUT LIKE ADAM BEFORE SIN! in a way!
NOW IN HEAVEN, THERE IS NO GENDER, BUT MEN IN GOD’S OWN TERMS, EXISTED ON THE FIRST SPIRITUAL EARTH! BUT IT GOT CORRUPTED BY LUCIFER’S STATE OF PRIDE AND CONFLICT WITHIN HIMSELF FOR AN ENDLESS TIME!
MARK 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation,(GENESIS 1:1 SPIRITUAL MALE AND FEMALE ANDROGYNOUS) God made them male and female. 7For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother; and shall cleave to his wife. 8And they two shall be in one flesh. Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. (ANDROGYNOUS) 9What therefore God hath joined together,
let not man put asunder.
Man, SINGULAR, a reference to any process of man!
Now to be clear, if within your understanding, you expect that the terms generally speaking of this world could be applied to the first spiritual world, I can tell you straight away that you are well, well, and well far away from the truth.
So what you posted and all your questions are futile since they are based on what you know on this planet.
David was only David on this planet.
David was only king on this planet.
You: But you still have another problem anyway.
Me: No Mike, you have I’m afraid not just one problem but loads of them.
You: You said this first earth was “ENTIRELY SPIRITUAL”, “NOT TANGIBLE LIKE THIS FIRST CURSED WORLD”, and “NOT INHABITED BY HUMANS LIKE US”.
Me: Mike, If you are not ready to accept, NEITHER NOVELS NOR SCRIPTURAL EXAMPLES HOW ON EARTH WOULD YOU EXPECT THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I SAY?
ARE YOU IN A POSITION TO HAVE A GLIMPSE OF WHAT THE TERM “ENTIRELY SPIRITUAL” MEANS?
“NOT TANGIBLE LIKE THIS FIRST CURSED EARTH” YOU DO KNOW I SUPPOSE WHAT THAT MEANS FOR SURE, BUT FOR SURE ALSO YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO IS I SUPPOSE NO?
OUR EARTH IS DEFINITELY TANGIBLE ONLY Mr. Mike!
JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE READ:
Genesis 18:1And the LORD APPEARED to him in the vale of Mambre as he was sitting at the door of his tent, in the very heat of the day. 2And when he had lifted up his eyes, there appeared to him
THREE MEN standing near him: and as soon as he saw them he ran to meet them from the door of his tent, and adored down to the ground.
ANSWER Mike, ARE THOSE SUPPOSED THREE MEN,
HUMANS OF EARTH?
YES OR NO PLEASE!
HUMANS OF HEAVEN?
YES OR NO PLEASE!
HOW DID ABRAHAM RECOGNIZE THEM, ESPECIALLY “THE LORD JESUS”?
You: If that’s the case, then wouldn’t David have had to be a spirit creature from his beginning? And if so, why would a spirit creature need to be moved to another planet to be saved from a flood?
Me: THERE YOU ARE! JUST REFLECT ON Genesis 18 above and you yourself with a bit of true LIGHT from the Holy Ghost would be able to answer your own question. NO?
You: And what happened to David’s peers on this “entirely spiritual earth”? You said David was the only one God saved, right? What happened to his friends and family and peers?
AS I ALREADY SAID ABOVE
THE TERMS, GENERALLY SPEAKING, OF THIS PLANT DON’T APPLY TO THE PREVIOUS SPIRITUAL EARTH OF GENESIS 1:1
JUST TO MAKE THINGS CLEAR FOR YOU!
IS THERE ANOTHER VERSE BY ANY CHANCE IN SCRIPTURE ON ITS OWN LIKE IN GENESIS 1:1 THAT SAYS
“GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH!”
David had and presumably has families only on this planet. BUT IN THE SPIRITUAL ONE THERE WAS NEITHER DAVID NOR HIS FAMILY AS SUCH, AS THEY WERE ALL ONE SPIRITUAL FAMILY WITHOUT PARENTS, SEX, GENERATIONS, AND SO ON.
Humans in flesh and blood were only on this planet.
Last weekend, honestly speaking, presumably by a spark of light from above I simply used the search engine for a while, and for the first-ever time, as I never had the slight interest in the belief of the LDS. I read a piece of their scriptures which you can read yourself hereunder, and I was really amazed!
In fact I decided to download the entire scripture, just to find something against my belief, and one particular verse it says that GOD COULD NOT CREATE EX-NIHILLO! AT FIRST I CALLED IT BLASPHEMY! But again the Holy Ghost gave me light and it’s true! Read our scripture:
John1:1IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made.
NOTHING was made out of nothing. EX-NIHILLO!
ALL WAS MADE BY “THE WORD”
THE SPIRIT SUBSTANCE OF GOD!
Here is the scripture:
LDS.
Moses 6:51
Pearl of Great Price
51 And he called upon our father Adam by his own voice, saying: I am God;
I made the world, and men before they were in the flesh.
Doctrine and Covenants 29:31–32
Doctrine and Covenants
31 For by the power of my Spirit created I them; yea,
all things both spiritual and temporal—(ONE SUBSTANCE)
32 First spiritual, (GENESIS 1:1) secondly temporal, (GENESIS 1:3 -31 CORRUPTED IN EDEN) which is the beginning of my work; and again,
first temporal,(GENESIS 2:4 CURSED) and secondly spiritual,( BY JESUS CHRIST ACCOMPLISHED ON THE CROSS)
which is the last of my work— (ON THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD)
THOSE IN BRACKETS ARE MINE!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
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