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Nick…..I thought we are not to Judge, does that mean us , but you are exempted from that. Interesting.
Your rules apply to others but not you right, interesting.blessings……….gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 21 2008,15:35) Hi Not3,
If you do not believe in the bible
why is context so convincing?
Nice change of subject, Nick.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 21 2008,18:32) Hi Not3,
How can you quote scripture when it is just a bunch of books to you?
I quote from a lot of different books, am I not allowed to? I didn't realize?While I do believe that the bible is a collection of books (written by man, and perhaps inspired), that doesn't mean I do not respect the Christian holy book. I think you are confusing free thinking with being bound to certain, indoctrinated ideals.
Hi Tim,
It is either the Word of God or it is not.If it is just dried ink like any other book then why bother examininig every detail looking for clues about God.
If we know it really is the Words of God and we are willing to keep trusting it there is much blessing therin.
We need to use our free will and choose the words of eternal life.
Or throw it away and quote Charles Dickens, or Darwin.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 22 2008,04:24) Hi Not3,
So why quote from dried ink?
You've already asked this question, and I've already answered you.What if every bible you own was taken away from you, Nick? Would you still hear the words of God?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 22 2008,05:23) It is either the Word of God or it is not. If it is just dried ink like any other book then why bother examininig every detail looking for clues about God.
Is the book living, or is God living?The “….living words of God…” are not the dried ink, Nick. If that were the case, what if the book was taken away from you? Would you ever hear the living words of God again? You see the logic here, surely?
Hi Mandy,
Did you get a chance to read my last post to you, it's on page 116?
To me, either Jesus was a man or he wasn't. To say that he was part God is to deny that he came in the flesh. Can't you see that you are directly creating an antichrist figure?
Romans 8:3 For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, 4 in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit. 5 Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; 7 the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so.
Jesus was sent in the LIKENESS of SINFUL man. I don't think you are understanding what this is saying. This is saying that he is in likeness to SINFUL man, but he was NOT A sinful MAN, but a MAN without sin. This is saying that he was just like us having flesh that drew his mind to serve his flesh, however he didn't, making him like us but not us because we all have given into our flesh.
The MIND of a MAN controlled by the Spirit is who Jesus was. He was in our likeness in that he too was born to be naturally drawn to serve flesh, however he was not like us because he did not serve the flesh. It has nothing to do with him not being an actual man, and everything to do with him being a man without sin.
Look close at this scripture, Jesus was not born as a new creation, he was resurrected as one, which is what makes him called in 1 Cor 15 the 'heavenly man'.
Ephesians 2:14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity.
This is saying that Jesus had to be just like us in order to pay for our sins. This is why to say that Jesus was half God, destroys our salvation, because otherwise he could not pay for our sins.
Notice that the new man was created not from how he was born, but for how he destroyed the enmity when he died. Romans 8 tells us that this was accomplished, NOT by his genetics from his birth, but from the Holy Spirit working in the mind of Jesus, “the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace;”
There are no scriptures that elude us to believe that Jesus was anything other then a human being, as a matter of fact the scriptures declare that he was a man and that he had to be a man.
Mt 16:16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Mt 26:63 But Jesus remained silent. The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God.”
Joh 20:31 But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
Jesus Christ proved to be the Son of God, not by when he was born from Mary's womb at his birth, but because of the works of his Father that he did later in his life, the miracles and signs, and of course the great finish of being raised from the dead.
Jesus is the Son of God because he is the Christ, not because he was part God, but the promised Messiah, David's seed.
1 John 5:1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. 2 This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. 3 This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, 4 for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. 5 Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.
Believing that Jesus is the Son of God and that he is the Christ is one and the same. The Messiah is not a person born half god, but a person of the seed of David anointed with God's Holy Spirit, in such away that keeps him sinless.
Jesus is Son of Man, because he was fully a man, Jesus was Son of God, because he was a sinless man.
Mandy this is clearly what the scriptures teach. What they do not teach is that he was some sort of different creature that was part god.
Peace and love to you, Jodi
Oh! I missed it. I'll read it now. I was just about to log off because it's lunchtime. So, I'll probably read it and then reply later.
Thanks, Jodi!Nick,
God has spoken through the prophets and has revealed his secrets, however we are told that there were false prophets among the people as well. We are also warned that there will be false prophets/teachers in christianity starting from the 1st century before the apostles were even dead.
Jesus says search the scriptures in them you think you have life and they testify of Jesus.
Just reading the physical scriptures is not what saves it is understanding the spiritual message – the physical bible holds spiritual truth which is revealed by the Holy Spirit.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 21 2008,10:23) Hi Tim,
It is either the Word of God or it is not.If it is just dried ink like any other book then why bother examininig every detail looking for clues about God.
If we know it really is the Words of God and we are willing to keep trusting it there is much blessing therin.
We need to use our free will and choose the words of eternal life.
Or throw it away and quote Charles Dickens, or Darwin.
Hi Nick,The problem is that the bible that you have in front of you, that we all have, has errors. Are you going to deny this?
Therefore if the book you have contains errors then it is NOT truly the words of God, and it is not reliable.
What many people on this forum have discovered is that God chooses people to start a journey on finding the truth of Him in the poorly translated book. We have to use the bible and put the pieces together as God wills us.
Hi Jodi,
Are we helpless to deal with the errors?
Should we prefer to trust our own judgement?If it is unreliable then it is worse than that, a source of deception
I guess you will stop quoting scripture too if you cannot trust any of it.
Jodi…….I liken it to this, you have some who are in the prison and only see what there, and you have others who are outside and can have a complete view. The one inside only see in part, the ones outside see better. This is the difference between the carnal mind and the spiritual mind, ones site is limited (seeing they see NOT, and Hearing the hear NOT) while on the other hand those with GOD's Spirit truly see and truly hear. It not anyones fault we only can deal with what we have be given. Those who have the overview have been given it from GOD. He is the One who opens the eyes of the Spiritually blind and their ears. Thats something we or even Jesus couldn't do, GOD ONLY CAN.
Love to you and yours and have a good Holiday Season, Kiss the little ones for me………………….gene
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