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Quote (bodhitharta @ July 16 2012,07:43) Quote (charity @ July 10 2012,12:55) Quote (Colter @ July 10 2012,03:17) Quote (charity @ July 09 2012,20:22) I heard you the first Time Colter. 
what an argument..
God Gave an Ice cube to the children, before long it began to melt, they saved every single drop, created a freezer an froze it back into a cube…Now some say its the same ice cube, an others say its a new ice cube, but really its all plan an clear an very stupid that they started killing each.
It's like the old caged animal explanation, the critter is so accustomed to being locked up that, when the door is finally opened he is to insecure to walk out of his familiar captivity…….then there are some who go just outside the cage and spend years criticizing the cage……then some leave the presence of the cage altogether and live out their God given freedom.Pagan Christianity built a new cage, all the animals in the new cage don't realize that they aren’t free because they are to bizzy fighting each other over cage adequate.
I don't know if you really hear what I say but I will say it again jsut in case, you will know the truth because you will KNOW that you are free to live your unique, individual life before God.
Colter
when all the black Slaves were set free, they were as confused an terrified as a christian would be to change GodsThe slave owners were still there, as God would still be there. Neither of them would want their worlds to crash an burn in an instant.
When the black slaves were set free they were not all confused and terrified as you say, do you not understand how many were already escaping and trying to escape. They were freed and they were happy, they already knew how to survive because they did all the work in-fact it was the slave owners that were confused and terrified.This was important for me to correct because it was simply a wrong and ignorant statement, Just remember it was those slave owners and others who sought to kill those freed slaves, the slaves didn't sek to kill all those owners although they had been treated horribly by most slave owners. Only a handful of slaves that were treated very well my have been a little confused for a very short time.
Yea, Charity was speaking parabolically, she is a very deep and insightful thinker and tends to communicate her perceptions in a refreshing poetic and parabolic form.When we consider Charities observations in light of the fact that the slaves in America had been ripped from their cultural security and beliefs, families torn apart and dispersed, living in a strange land under a strange religion where the term “master” was used for Jesus as well as the slave owner's. Then “technically” the slaves are set free, in an unwelcoming land, dominated by the same religion which was forced upon them. With that in mind lets listen again to Charity's perceptions as she trys perhaps to “feel” what the slaves must have felt:
when all the black Slaves were set free, they were as confused an terrified as a christian would be to change Gods
Yea, I get it.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,22:22) When we consider Charities observations in light of the fact that the slaves in America had been ripped from their cultural security and beliefs, families torn apart and dispersed, living in a strange land under a strange religion where the term “master” was used for Jesus as well as the slave owner's. Then “technically” the slaves are set free, in an unwelcoming land, dominated by the same religion which was forced upon them. With that in mind lets listen again to Charity's perceptions as she trys perhaps to “feel” what the slaves must have felt: when all the black Slaves were set free, they were as confused an terrified as a christian would be to change Gods
Yea, I get it.
Colter
Absolutely. And religious beliefs are as divisive and corrosive to community cohesion today as they have ever been.Stuart
Quote Yea, Charity was speaking parabolically, she is a very deep and insightful thinker and tends to communicate her perceptions in a refreshing poetic and parabolic form. Yes she does.
Quote This was important for me to correct because it was simply a wrong and ignorant statement, Just remember it was those slave owners and others who sought to kill those freed slaves, the slaves didn't sek to kill all those owners although they had been treated horribly by most slave owners. Only a handful of slaves that were treated very well my have been a little confused for a very short time. The wrong and ignorant statement is that you think these slaves were not intelligent enough to figure out what was going on. Let's take for instance Harriet Tubman and the underground railroad. Really BD, comments like that show you are more racist then some who think themselves racist.
Quote (princess @ July 18 2012,11:31) Quote This was important for me to correct because it was simply a wrong and ignorant statement, Just remember it was those slave owners and others who sought to kill those freed slaves, the slaves didn't sek to kill all those owners although they had been treated horribly by most slave owners. Only a handful of slaves that were treated very well my have been a little confused for a very short time. The wrong and ignorant statement is that you think these slaves were not intelligent enough to figure out what was going on. Let's take for instance Harriet Tubman and the underground railroad. Really BD, comments like that show you are more racist then some who think themselves racist.
Charity is a New Zealander and would not know those particulars about Tubman.Colter
Quote (charity @ July 17 2012,21:07) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 16 2012,07:43) Quote (charity @ July 10 2012,12:55) Quote (Colter @ July 10 2012,03:17) Quote (charity @ July 09 2012,20:22) I heard you the first Time Colter. what an argument..
God Gave an Ice cube to the children, before long it began to melt, they saved every single drop, created a freezer an froze it back into a cube…Now some say its the same ice cube, an others say its a new ice cube, but really its all plan an clear an very stupid that they started killing each.
It's like the old caged animal explanation, the critter is so accustomed to being locked up that, when the door is finally opened he is to insecure to walk out of his familiar captivity…….then there are some who go just outside the cage and spend years criticizing the cage……then some leave the presence of the cage altogether and live out their God given freedom.Pagan Christianity built a new cage, all the animals in the new cage don't realize that they aren’t free because they are to bizzy fighting each other over cage adequate.
I don't know if you really hear what I say but I will say it again jsut in case, you will know the truth because you will KNOW that you are free to live your unique, individual life before God.
Colter
when all the black Slaves were set free, they were as confused an terrified as a christian would be to change GodsThe slave owners were still there, as God would still be there. Neither of them would want their worlds to crash an burn in an instant.
When the black slaves were set free they were not all confused and terrified as you say, do you not understand how many were already escaping and trying to escape. They were freed and they were happy, they already knew how to survive because they did all the work in-fact it was the slave owners that were confused and terrified.This was important for me to correct because it was simply a wrong and ignorant statement, Just remember it was those slave owners and others who sought to kill those freed slaves, the slaves didn't sek to kill all those owners although they had been treated horribly by most slave owners. Only a handful of slaves that were treated very well my have been a little confused for a very short time.
What ever!!I did say they were as were as confused as each other! both Slave an master.
The bases is …A christian is a slave to theory! leaving theory is not leaving God! Leaving a theory can some times viewed as actually litrally following God! A parable!
The Slaves did not have bank accounts, I care for people who have no money! you need a source for Income to obtain product to do the work you now how to do…as a money n the pocket hasnt time to clean the house
Yea, they were slaves so it wasn't like suddenly not having money, they were use to not having money and eating whatever they could come by. But anyway Irealize from your comment that it had no ill intention and was just trying to make an analogy, so I apologize for being offendedQuote (bodhitharta @ July 18 2012,12:59) Quote (charity @ July 17 2012,21:07) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 16 2012,07:43) Quote (charity @ July 10 2012,12:55) Quote (Colter @ July 10 2012,03:17) Quote (charity @ July 09 2012,20:22) I heard you the first Time Colter. what an argument..
God Gave an Ice cube to the children, before long it began to melt, they saved every single drop, created a freezer an froze it back into a cube…Now some say its the same ice cube, an others say its a new ice cube, but really its all plan an clear an very stupid that they started killing each.
It's like the old caged animal explanation, the critter is so accustomed to being locked up that, when the door is finally opened he is to insecure to walk out of his familiar captivity…….then there are some who go just outside the cage and spend years criticizing the cage……then some leave the presence of the cage altogether and live out their God given freedom.Pagan Christianity built a new cage, all the animals in the new cage don't realize that they aren’t free because they are to bizzy fighting each other over cage adequate.
I don't know if you really hear what I say but I will say it again jsut in case, you will know the truth because you will KNOW that you are free to live your unique, individual life before God.
Colter
when all the black Slaves were set free, they were as confused an terrified as a christian would be to change GodsThe slave owners were still there, as God would still be there. Neither of them would want their worlds to crash an burn in an instant.
When the black slaves were set free they were not all confused and terrified as you say, do you not understand how many were already escaping and trying to escape. They were freed and they were happy, they already knew how to survive because they did all the work in-fact it was the slave owners that were confused and terrified.This was important for me to correct because it was simply a wrong and ignorant statement, Just remember it was those slave owners and others who sought to kill those freed slaves, the slaves didn't sek to kill all those owners although they had been treated horribly by most slave owners. Only a handful of slaves that were treated very well my have been a little confused for a very short time.
What ever!!I did say they were as were as confused as each other! both Slave an master.
The bases is …A christian is a slave to theory! leaving theory is not leaving God! Leaving a theory can some times viewed as actually litrally following God! A parable!
The Slaves did not have bank accounts, I care for people who have no money! you need a source for Income to obtain product to do the work you now how to do…as a money n the pocket hasnt time to clean the house
Yea, they were slaves so it wasn't like suddenly not having money, they were use to not having money and eating whatever they could come by. But anyway Irealize from your comment that it had no ill intention and was just trying to make an analogy, so I apologize for being offended
really..did there masters own an work them without food?Im glad things changed THAT “if” they stayed they WERE NO longer OWNED as an asset, an would collect a wage for their work..
Anyway Thank you for your reply, sorry I confused your senses sir.
Quote (Colter @ July 18 2012,12:26) Quote (princess @ July 18 2012,11:31) Quote This was important for me to correct because it was simply a wrong and ignorant statement, Just remember it was those slave owners and others who sought to kill those freed slaves, the slaves didn't sek to kill all those owners although they had been treated horribly by most slave owners. Only a handful of slaves that were treated very well my have been a little confused for a very short time. The wrong and ignorant statement is that you think these slaves were not intelligent enough to figure out what was going on. Let's take for instance Harriet Tubman and the underground railroad. Really BD, comments like that show you are more racist then some who think themselves racist.
Charity is a New Zealander and would not know those particulars about Tubman.Colter
Happy to read if need be…thank you colter.Quote (Stu @ July 18 2012,08:15) Quote (Colter @ July 17 2012,22:22) When we consider Charities observations in light of the fact that the slaves in America had been ripped from their cultural security and beliefs, families torn apart and dispersed, living in a strange land under a strange religion where the term “master” was used for Jesus as well as the slave owner's. Then “technically” the slaves are set free, in an unwelcoming land, dominated by the same religion which was forced upon them. With that in mind lets listen again to Charity's perceptions as she trys perhaps to “feel” what the slaves must have felt: when all the black Slaves were set free, they were as confused an terrified as a christian would be to change Gods
Yea, I get it.
Colter
Absolutely. And religious beliefs are as divisive and corrosive to community cohesion today as they have ever been.Stuart
Yea!No sooner than Moses made the 6th commandment Law, thou shalt not Kill, He made a Laws concerning Punishment an The death penalty.
In which people cannot define the difference between the Law of a sacred sacrificial ceremony an the execution killing of the death penalty.
Where as people ignore brutish behavor, an sing Holy holy, all is well as Moses Laws, snare, trap an smell like roses to insanity.
Not to mention the same REFLECTS A Health care Plan, that suits those that are not filling the hospital beds; ill with stress of paying others “MAYBE” medicals for a year!Quote (charity @ July 19 2012,00:25) No sooner than Moses made the 6th commandment Law, thou shalt not Kill, He made a Laws concerning Punishment an The death penalty.
Immediately upon coming down from the mountain with the law “thou shalt not kill”, Moses had his people go through the camp and kill their friends, and their families with the sword.That made the law a little confusing.
Tim
Quote (charity @ July 18 2012,23:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 18 2012,12:59) Quote (charity @ July 17 2012,21:07) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 16 2012,07:43) Quote (charity @ July 10 2012,12:55) Quote (Colter @ July 10 2012,03:17) Quote (charity @ July 09 2012,20:22) I heard you the first Time Colter. what an argument..
God Gave an Ice cube to the children, before long it began to melt, they saved every single drop, created a freezer an froze it back into a cube…Now some say its the same ice cube, an others say its a new ice cube, but really its all plan an clear an very stupid that they started killing each.
It's like the old caged animal explanation, the critter is so accustomed to being locked up that, when the door is finally opened he is to insecure to walk out of his familiar captivity…….then there are some who go just outside the cage and spend years criticizing the cage……then some leave the presence of the cage altogether and live out their God given freedom.Pagan Christianity built a new cage, all the animals in the new cage don't realize that they aren’t free because they are to bizzy fighting each other over cage adequate.
I don't know if you really hear what I say but I will say it again jsut in case, you will know the truth because you will KNOW that you are free to live your unique, individual life before God.
Colter
when all the black Slaves were set free, they were as confused an terrified as a christian would be to change GodsThe slave owners were still there, as God would still be there. Neither of them would want their worlds to crash an burn in an instant.
When the black slaves were set free they were not all confused and terrified as you say, do you not understand how many were already escaping and trying to escape. They were freed and they were happy, they already knew how to survive because they did all the work in-fact it was the slave owners that were confused and terrified.This was important for me to correct because it was simply a wrong and ignorant statement, Just remember it was those slave owners and others who sought to kill those freed slaves, the slaves didn't sek to kill all those owners although they had been treated horribly by most slave owners. Only a handful of slaves that were treated very well my have been a little confused for a very short time.
What ever!!I did say they were as were as confused as each other! both Slave an master.
The bases is …A christian is a slave to theory! leaving theory is not leaving God! Leaving a theory can some times viewed as actually litrally following God! A parable!
The Slaves did not have bank accounts, I care for people who have no money! you need a source for Income to obtain product to do the work you now how to do…as a money n the pocket hasnt time to clean the house
Yea, they were slaves so it wasn't like suddenly not having money, they were use to not having money and eating whatever they could come by. But anyway Irealize from your comment that it had no ill intention and was just trying to make an analogy, so I apologize for being offended
really..did there masters own an work them without food?Im glad things changed THAT “if” they stayed they WERE NO longer OWNED as an asset, an would collect a wage for their work..
Anyway Thank you for your reply, sorry I confused your senses sir.
The masters limited and controlled what the can eat being set free they could hunt and eat whatever they wanted and plant or gather plants however they liked. The masters would always take the best of the food for themselves even if they didn't have any part in the hunting or gathering. The master would get the tenderloins, the bacon, the top round, the slaves would get the foot of the pig and chicken , the guts the organ meats and the other less pleasing components of all the foods. But they even took those things and learned to make them taste like premium foods.Slavery is not a jokeing matter and has been a blight on the human race and a disgrace that it was ever accepted.
Please do not take offense, but I couldn't help but think, when you said that they even made chicken taste like premium food, that they must have taught the Kentucky Colonel how to cook.
Tim
Quote (TimothyVI @ July 19 2012,02:19) Quote (charity @ July 19 2012,00:25) No sooner than Moses made the 6th commandment Law, thou shalt not Kill, He made a Laws concerning Punishment an The death penalty.
Immediately upon coming down from the mountain with the law “thou shalt not kill”, Moses had his people go through the camp and kill their friends, and their families with the sword.That made the law a little confusing.
Tim
The Psalmist realised in Psalm 40:6 that humans had completely misunderstood god's desire to see humans kill one another and other animals.Although Exodus 20:24, Exodus 29:11-37, Leviticus 1:5, Leviticus 23:12-18 and Deuteronomy 12:27 were claimed to be the absolute desires of the deity to see sacrifices, apparently it wasn’t the sight of sacrifice that the deity was keen on after all – Psalm 51:16, Isaiah 1:11, Matthew 9:13, 12:7.
It was the smell – Genesis 8:20-21, Numbers 18:17-19.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ July 19 2012,08:23) Quote (TimothyVI @ July 19 2012,02:19) Quote (charity @ July 19 2012,00:25) No sooner than Moses made the 6th commandment Law, thou shalt not Kill, He made a Laws concerning Punishment an The death penalty.
Immediately upon coming down from the mountain with the law “thou shalt not kill”, Moses had his people go through the camp and kill their friends, and their families with the sword.That made the law a little confusing.
Tim
The Psalmist realised in Psalm 40:6 that humans had completely misunderstood god's desire to see humans kill one another and other animals.Although Exodus 20:24, Exodus 29:11-37, Leviticus 1:5, Leviticus 23:12-18 and Deuteronomy 12:27 were claimed to be the absolute desires of the deity to see sacrifices, apparently it wasn’t the sight of sacrifice that the deity was keen on after all – Psalm 51:16, Isaiah 1:11, Matthew 9:13, 12:7.
It was the smell – Genesis 8:20-21, Numbers 18:17-19.
Stuart
yes Tim& stu, Im so glad for you both, refreshing. seems to hard for some to be honest about the least… a paper trailQuote (Stu @ July 19 2012,08:23) Quote (TimothyVI @ July 19 2012,02:19) Quote (charity @ July 19 2012,00:25) No sooner than Moses made the 6th commandment Law, thou shalt not Kill, He made a Laws concerning Punishment an The death penalty.
Immediately upon coming down from the mountain with the law “thou shalt not kill”, Moses had his people go through the camp and kill their friends, and their families with the sword.That made the law a little confusing.
Tim
The Psalmist realised in Psalm 40:6 that humans had completely misunderstood god's desire to see humans kill one another and other animals.Although Exodus 20:24, Exodus 29:11-37, Leviticus 1:5, Leviticus 23:12-18 and Deuteronomy 12:27 were claimed to be the absolute desires of the deity to see sacrifices, apparently it wasn’t the sight of sacrifice that the deity was keen on after all – Psalm 51:16, Isaiah 1:11, Matthew 9:13, 12:7.
It was the smell – Genesis 8:20-21, Numbers 18:17-19.
Stuart
Uhhhh, it seems that Moses fibbed.
TimQuote (TimothyVI @ July 19 2012,21:43) Quote (Stu @ July 19 2012,08:23) Quote (TimothyVI @ July 19 2012,02:19) Quote (charity @ July 19 2012,00:25) No sooner than Moses made the 6th commandment Law, thou shalt not Kill, He made a Laws concerning Punishment an The death penalty.
Immediately upon coming down from the mountain with the law “thou shalt not kill”, Moses had his people go through the camp and kill their friends, and their families with the sword.That made the law a little confusing.
Tim
The Psalmist realised in Psalm 40:6 that humans had completely misunderstood god's desire to see humans kill one another and other animals.Although Exodus 20:24, Exodus 29:11-37, Leviticus 1:5, Leviticus 23:12-18 and Deuteronomy 12:27 were claimed to be the absolute desires of the deity to see sacrifices, apparently it wasn’t the sight of sacrifice that the deity was keen on after all – Psalm 51:16, Isaiah 1:11, Matthew 9:13, 12:7.
It was the smell – Genesis 8:20-21, Numbers 18:17-19.
Stuart
Uhhhh, it seems that Moses fibbed.
Tim
Thou shall not kill is a community law, as in thou shall not kill each other. Those who were not a part of the community were always subject to being killed such as in war. It's the same today it is not acceptable to kill someone in your own country but in war killing is perfectly legal and acceptable and in some cases honorable.When Moses came off the mountain he asked them to make a choice of whether they would they take the covenant and those who did not were slaughtered.
O you who believe! do not devour your property among yourselves falsely, except that it be trading by your mutual consent; and do not kill your people; surely Allah is Merciful to you.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #29)Ex 32:27 Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.'”
Kill your brother, your friend and your neighbor.
These were community. They were even family.Tim
Quote (TimothyVI @ July 20 2012,02:04) Ex 32:27 Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.'” Kill your brother, your friend and your neighbor.
These were community. They were even family.Tim
These people didn't accept the covenant so they became outside the communityExodus 32:26
King James Version (KJV)
26 Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the Lord's side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.
This is the verse before the one you quoted. Most Christians would not even understood therefore no one replied to your post. The Quran makes it clear that thou shall not kill is a community commandment plus it is a commandment that includes all innocent people.
For instance here is the Exodus 32:27 parallel:
And (remember) when Musa (Moses) said to his people: “O my people! Verily, you have wronged yourselves by worshipping the calf. So turn in repentance to your Creator and kill yourselves (the innocent kill the wrongdoers among you), that will be better for you with your Creator.” Then He accepted your repentance. Truly, He is the One Who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #54)How can you except a covenant of confusion that will in-time catch an snare EVEN JESUS?
Who cannot an would not tell the difference Between A sacrifical ceremony to Kill A Man, an a Punishment death penalty for the least; blaspheming.
One would consider Why mass's of People go on with out being the least bit honest about the reality of Jesus brutal Death; hence; by no means dose it resemble the Sacred Sacrifice that can be honorable as a truthfull account an report.
All written off; waver's under the act “gods thoughts are Higher than the obvious truth” Judgement is not required because everyones still waiting to see What God was thinking?
Quote (TimothyVI @ July 19 2012,21:43) Quote (Stu @ July 19 2012,08:23) Quote (TimothyVI @ July 19 2012,02:19) Quote (charity @ July 19 2012,00:25) No sooner than Moses made the 6th commandment Law, thou shalt not Kill, He made a Laws concerning Punishment an The death penalty.
Immediately upon coming down from the mountain with the law “thou shalt not kill”, Moses had his people go through the camp and kill their friends, and their families with the sword.That made the law a little confusing.
Tim
The Psalmist realised in Psalm 40:6 that humans had completely misunderstood god's desire to see humans kill one another and other animals.Although Exodus 20:24, Exodus 29:11-37, Leviticus 1:5, Leviticus 23:12-18 and Deuteronomy 12:27 were claimed to be the absolute desires of the deity to see sacrifices, apparently it wasn’t the sight of sacrifice that the deity was keen on after all – Psalm 51:16, Isaiah 1:11, Matthew 9:13, 12:7.
It was the smell – Genesis 8:20-21, Numbers 18:17-19.
Stuart
Uhhhh, it seems that Moses fibbed.
Tim
Yesbodhitharta! straighten up Man. come on Fellow Skeptic!
your better than this!!!Where no Law has been made, there is no Law to offend…
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