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Technically T, it is the circle of life. No matter what god/gods you believe in, doesn't chang the fact that the body is bio- degradable. To some it may be the only thing they ever recycle in life
hi princessyou right ,but the faith in God brings us in another reality and not so for the animals who are stuck in their cycle ,if we can understand dead a
then we can also understand life, and this is the point what makes us better than animals but most live like some ,but for those that have come to know what lays ahead of dead create that new reality ,what is not dead but life
Hello T dear one,Like the blue lettering your using, color is important in life.
There is a plaque that reads 'The more I get to know people the better I like my dog'.
You are speaking of the afterlife T. Many faiths before christianity had the belief in the afterlife, Egyptians for an easy example. They lived their lives for the afterlife, but christianity today would say they were wrong. All because of a god.
princessthe after liFe that was is existing out side of the promise of Jehovah God almighty IS BY MUCH, DIFFERENT THAN THE AFTER LIFE FROM THE PAGANS,
God MADE IT ACCESSIBLE TO ALL MEN ,WHILE THE PAGAN RITUAL WAS ONLY FOR PRIVILEDGED PERSONNALITY
No TEgyptians great and small placed huge emphasis on the afterlife. They lived their lives for the afterlife.
Tell me where lies the difference with you. You live your life for the afterlife. The only difference is what god you do it for.
And T, you are aware that when you use captial letters it reflects yelling yes?
princesssorry ,I use capitals for make my taught more accentuated ,
now ,what you say about the Egyptian his true but it was only for those that as you say that god,but even so their access to mummification would not be the same for all ,so that the after life would also be different ,
while my God has the same after life for all ,the only difference that can be made would be in your own hands ,and is offered to all men disregard to their language ,country,age,believes,…..
T, you are speaking of rituals. Rituals are found in every religion there is not one that rids themselves of such, some have a bit more then others but they are still there.Your correct your God asks for your life and to serve him accordingly and by his rules.
I am in no way deterring you to believe in the god that you do, tis your own. Each find peace in their own way. However, this is a thought that you must produce on your own, what would your life be like if you released god?
Would you fear that you would become evil? Would you murder, lie and steal?
Just a question T.
princessif you do not have true rules ,what would stop you of doing anything like you say
I have been living on the streets for two years when I was a teenager,and was without a father sinse my 8th birth day ,I have learn many things in human behavior and habilities ,
this made me think about Gods rules and the why attached to both MEN'S AND GOD'S RULES
Actually T, morals and values may have something to do with it.We each have our own story. My father was a drunkard, my mother left our family when I was 5. It was either flight or flee growing up, I did a little of both. So I am capable of understanding what humanity does to another.
Most basic rules of religion are to be peaceful, take care of each other and cause no harm, throughout our evolution or trail and error such rules come into play.
You still did not answer my question though, for you to release god would it change who you are today?
princessyour question make no sens to me but the best answer to it is that it is impossible for me to go away from God ,I have become one with him ,can not see,hear ,live without him,
but as for morality ;this as nothing the do with anything all men makes their own ,a little of that and a little of this ,they lie but not to much ,they steal but not to much ,you know what I mean
Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 05 2012,04:22) Hi Seekingtruth,
What are you doing down here in the pits of skepticism?
It is good to see you. I have always respected your approach to civil conversation.
Quote And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
In all fairness Jesus did go on to say humble yourself like a child, not become ignorant like a child.
However the bible does teach that ignorance is bliss. Christians should not practice free enquiry nor socialize with non Christians.
Colossians 2:8Quote See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.
2 John 1:10Quote If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into {your} house, and do not give him a greeting.
Romans 16:17Quote Shun those who disagree with your religious views.
Don’t associate with non-Christians. Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them.
Corinthians 4:6Quote Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.
In other words, don't learn anything that does not come out of the bible, and the bible has some pretty silly knowledge to share. We as humans are fortunate that we do not still believe that illness is caused by demons, so we have invented antibiotics.
Lepers are fortunate that we do not still cure leprosy by putting a doves blood on the right ear and big toe of the person afflicted with the disease, as the bible tells us to. We would still be in the dark ages scientifically if we heeded Cor.4:6.
Tim
Cor.4:6?wakeup.
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Technically T, it is the circle of life. No matter what god/gods you believe in, doesn't chang the fact that the body is bio- degradable. To some it may be the only thing they ever recycle in life
hi princessyou right ,but the faith in God brings us in another reality and not so for the animals who are stuck in their cycle ,if we can understand dead a
then we can also understand life, and this is the point what makes us better than animals but most live like some ,but for those that have come to know what lays ahead of dead create that new reality ,what is not dead but life
Hello T dear one,Like the blue lettering your using, color is important in life.
There is a plaque that reads 'The more I get to know people the better I like my dog'.
You are speaking of the afterlife T. Many faiths before christianity had the belief in the afterlife, Egyptians for an easy example. They lived their lives for the afterlife, but christianity today would say they were wrong. All because of a god.
princessthe after liFe that was is existing out side of the promise of Jehovah God almighty IS BY MUCH, DIFFERENT THAN THE AFTER LIFE FROM THE PAGANS,
God MADE IT ACCESSIBLE TO ALL MEN ,WHILE THE PAGAN RITUAL WAS ONLY FOR PRIVILEDGED PERSONNALITY
No TEgyptians great and small placed huge emphasis on the afterlife. They lived their lives for the afterlife.
Tell me where lies the difference with you. You live your life for the afterlife. The only difference is what god you do it for.
And T, you are aware that when you use captial letters it reflects yelling yes?
princesssorry ,I use capitals for make my taught more accentuated ,
now ,what you say about the Egyptian his true but it was only for those that as you say that god,but even so their access to mummification would not be the same for all ,so that the after life would also be different ,
while my God has the same after life for all ,the only difference that can be made would be in your own hands ,and is offered to all men disregard to their language ,country,age,believes,…..
T, you are speaking of rituals. Rituals are found in every religion there is not one that rids themselves of such, some have a bit more then others but they are still there.Your correct your God asks for your life and to serve him accordingly and by his rules.
I am in no way deterring you to believe in the god that you do, tis your own. Each find peace in their own way. However, this is a thought that you must produce on your own, what would your life be like if you released god?
Would you fear that you would become evil? Would you murder, lie and steal?
Just a question T.
princessif you do not have true rules ,what would stop you of doing anything like you say
I have been living on the streets for two years when I was a teenager,and was without a father sinse my 8th birth day ,I have learn many things in human behavior and habilities ,
this made me think about Gods rules and the why attached to both MEN'S AND GOD'S RULES
Actually T, morals and values may have something to do with it.We each have our own story. My father was a drunkard, my mother left our family when I was 5. It was either flight or flee growing up, I did a little of both. So I am capable of understanding what humanity does to another.
Most basic rules of religion are to be peaceful, take care of each other and cause no harm, throughout our evolution or trail and error such rules come into play.
You still did not answer my question though, for you to release god would it change who you are today?
princessyour question make no sens to me but the best answer to it is that it is impossible for me to go away from God ,I have become one with him ,can not see,hear ,live without him,
but as for morality ;this as nothing the do with anything all men makes their own ,a little of that and a little of this ,they lie but not to much ,they steal but not to much ,you know what I mean
So T, all knowledge you have to this day would be taken away and you would not know good from bad?No
actually I don't know what you mean, please feel free to throw the first stone if you must.Taking god out of the equation should not take the person you have become by such experiences, doesn't make sense.
PRINCESS
Quote So T, all knowledge you have to this day would be taken away and you would not know good from bad? No actually I don't know what you mean, please feel free to throw the first stone if you must.
Taking god out of the equation should not take the person you have become by such experiences, doesn't make sense.
not know good from bad? WHAT MAKE YOU KNOW GOOD AND BAD ???IS IT NOT WHAT YOU LEARN FROM OTHERS
LIKE YOUR PARENTS IF YOU HAVE SOME ,AND THAT THEY CARE BUT IF YOU ARE BORN FROM WILD PARENTS ,LIKE PARENTS WITHOUT RULES ,WHAT WOULD BE YOUR RULES AS YOU GROW UP ???THE ANIMAL WORLD IS THE ONLY THING LEFT OF SET RULES .IN THIS WORLD AND ALL THOSE WHO DO NOT HAVE TRUE FAITH THEY ALSO NOT HAVE TRUE RULES OF WHAT IS GOOD AND WHAT HIS BAD, AND SO ALL DEGREES ARE ACCORDING TO THE OPPORTUNITY OF THE TIME AND PLACE OF BEING INFLUENCED OF THE POSSIBLE GAINS,THINK WALLSTREET
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 05 2012,11:36) Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 05 2012,04:22) Hi Seekingtruth,
What are you doing down here in the pits of skepticism? It is good to see you. I have always respected your approach to civil conversation.
Quote And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
In all fairness Jesus did go on to say humble yourself like a child, not become ignorant like a child.
However the bible does teach that ignorance is bliss. Christians should not practice free enquiry nor socialize with non Christians.
Colossians 2:8Quote See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.
2 John 1:10Quote If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into {your} house, and do not give him a greeting.
Romans 16:17Quote Shun those who disagree with your religious views.
Don’t associate with non-Christians. Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them.
Corinthians 4:6Quote Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.
In other words, don't learn anything that does not come out of the bible, and the bible has some pretty silly knowledge to share. We as humans are fortunate that we do not still believe that illness is caused by demons, so we have invented antibiotics.
Lepers are fortunate that we do not still cure leprosy by putting a doves blood on the right ear and big toe of the person afflicted with the disease, as the bible tells us to. We would still be in the dark ages scientifically if we heeded Cor.4:6.
Tim
Cor.4:6?wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
1-Cor. 4:6.
Sorry I neglected to type the 1 for those who are unfamiliar the bible. It was actually a typo.Tim
Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 05 2012,01:22) Hi Seekingtruth,
What are you doing down here in the pits of skepticism? It is good to see you. I have always respected your approach to civil conversation.I too appreciate your approach, it is refreshing amongst the hostilities that so often accompany disagreements.
I believe that the scriptures you noted primarily speak of avoiding those who claim to be “followers of the way” but reject the very tenets of the faith (in other words false teachers) below are the same scriptures from a different translation. I believe you have over generalized “teaching” to cover… well everything, while I believe the statements are referring to the topics at hand. If the teaching goes against what scripture states then it should be avoided, however we should first make sure that it clashes what the scripture actually states and not what we've interpreted it to say.
Quote And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
In all fairness Jesus did go on to say humble yourself like a child, not become ignorant like a child.
However the bible does teach that ignorance is bliss. Christians should not practice free enquiry nor socialize with non Christians.Quote 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. Colossians 2:8 Be sure you are not led away by the teaching of those who have nothing worth saying and only plan to deceive you. That teaching is not from Christ. It is only human tradition and comes from the powers that influence this world.
Quote 2 John 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into {your} house, and do not give him a greeting. 2 John 1:10 Don’t accept those who come to you but do not bring this teaching. Don’t invite them into your house. Don’t welcome them in any way.
Quote Romans 16:17 Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17 Brothers and sisters, I want you to be very careful of those who cause arguments and hurt people’s faith by teaching things that are against what you learned. Stay away from them.
Quote Don’t associate with non-Christians. Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them.
Corinthians 4:6 Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.1 Corinthians 4:6 Brothers and sisters, I have used Apollos and myself as examples for you. I did this so that you could learn from us the meaning of the words, “Follow what the Scriptures say.” Then you will not brag about one person and criticize another.
Quote In other words, don't learn anything that does not come out of the bible, and the bible has some pretty silly knowledge to share. We as humans are fortunate that we do not still believe that illness is caused by demons, so we have invented antibiotics.
Lepers are fortunate that we do not still cure leprosy by putting a doves blood on the right ear and big toe of the person afflicted with the disease, as the bible tells us to. We would still be in the dark ages scientifically if we heeded Cor.4:6.
TimCould not find the scripture about “dove's blood” please provide location so I can read it. It is my belief that scriptural truth and true science are totally compatible and not at odds once all bias is removed.
Thanks – Wm
Hi Seekingtruth,
Of course in Luke, all Jesus had to do was touch the leper to cure him, but in
Leviticus 14:1-57 according to the laws of Moses the priest had to use the blood of
birds and lambs to do the job because leprosy was considered a sin disease.Tim
Tim,
Thanks, Leviticus 14:1 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “These are the rules for people who have had a skin disease and have been made well. These rules are for making them clean.It was for “ceremonial cleansing” for those cured, not a cure.
Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 05 2012,22:41) In other words, don't learn anything that does not come out of the bible, and the bible has some pretty silly knowledge to share. We as humans are fortunate that we do not still believe that illness is caused by demons, so we have invented antibiotics.
Lepers are fortunate that we do not still cure leprosy by putting a doves blood on the right ear and big toe of the person afflicted with the disease, as the bible tells us to. We would still be in the dark ages scientifically if we heeded Cor.4:6.
Nearly every translation except for the New Living Translation,
specifically cautions to not go beyond what is written.
The implication is that any knowledge that comes from anywhere other than the bible
will cause people to become arrogant and prideful.Again, the only point that I was making was that following these biblical guidelines severly restricts a person's ability to learn beyond what the bible teaches. And the bible does not teach science.
Tim
Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 05 2012,21:04) Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 05 2012,22:41) Quote In other words, don't learn anything that does not come out of the bible, and the bible has some pretty silly knowledge to share. We as humans are fortunate that we do not still believe that illness is caused by demons, so we have invented antibiotics.
Lepers are fortunate that we do not still cure leprosy by putting a doves blood on the right ear and big toe of the person afflicted with the disease, as the bible tells us to. We would still be in the dark ages scientifically if we heeded Cor.4:6.
Nearly every translation except for the New Living Translation,
specifically cautions to not go beyond what is written.
The implication is that any knowledge that comes from anywhere other than the bible
will cause people to become arrogant and prideful.“Nearly every translation except for the New Living Translation”, and the Easy To Read (which I quoted), and the AMP which puts it: “to think of men in accordance with Scripture and not to go beyond that which is written”
Quote Again, the only point that I was making was that following these biblical guidelines severly restricts a person's ability to learn beyond what the bible teaches. And the bible does not teach science. Tim
following these (out of context) biblical guidelines severly restricts a person's ability to learn beyond what the bible teaches.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 06 2012,00:03) Tim,
Thanks, Leviticus 14:1 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “These are the rules for people who have had a skin disease and have been made well. These rules are for making them clean.It was for “ceremonial cleansing” for those cured, not a cure.
Wm
Do you believe then that sin was the cause of leprosy?Tim
Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 06 2012,01:11) Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 06 2012,00:03) Tim,
Thanks, Leviticus 14:1 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “These are the rules for people who have had a skin disease and have been made well. These rules are for making them clean.It was for “ceremonial cleansing” for those cured, not a cure.
Wm
Do you believe then that sin was the cause of leprosy?Tim
Timothy.You just can not see that an evil spitit can go in a person and cause all sort of sicknesses.
It can also enter in the brain and do some short wiring.wakeup.
Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 06 2012,03:52) Probably not Wakeup.
Is the Mycobacterium leprae bacteria an evil spirit?Tim
No Tim. but the spirit can introduce it to someone,just as man are doing it today.This is why we need Gods protection.
Just see Job.Job 2:6 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.
Satan can not go against Gods will.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 06 2012,11:41) Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 06 2012,03:52) Probably not Wakeup.
Is the Mycobacterium leprae bacteria an evil spirit?Tim
No Tim. but the spirit can introduce it to someone,just as man are doing it today.This is why we need Gods protection.
Just see Job.Job 2:6 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.
Satan can not go against Gods will.
wakeup.
Can I ask by what mechanism “the spirit” can introduce mycobacterium leprae to a human?Stuart
Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 06 2012,01:38) Not really but neither is birth but it requires a ceremonial cleansing. Wm
Yes you are correct, but the ceremonial cleansing was required to make them clean of sin.
After giving birth the woman had to give a sin offering so that the priest could make atonement for her sin of giving birth.“And if she is not able to bring a lamb, then she may bring two turtledoves or two young pigeons—one as a burnt offering and the other as a sin offering. So the priest shall make atonement for her, and she will be clean.”(Leviticus 12)
The leper also had to be cleansed and give a sin offering because they thought that leprosy was caused by the fact that the person sinned.
Tim
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 06 2012,11:41) Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 06 2012,03:52) Probably not Wakeup.
Is the Mycobacterium leprae bacteria an evil spirit?Tim
No Tim. but the spirit can introduce it to someone,just as man are doing it today.This is why we need Gods protection.
Just see Job.Job 2:6 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.
Satan can not go against Gods will.
wakeup.
Hi wakeup,In reply to the question of whether the Mycobacterium leprae bacteria was an evil spirit
you said:Quote No Tim. but the spirit can introduce it to someone ,just as man are doing it today. Does this mean that even in this day and age you still believe that disease is caused by evil spirits or demons in the body?
Quote Job 2:6 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life. So does this mean that you believe that God is telling these evil spirits to make us ill, just like he told Satan to make Job miserable.
Quote Satan can not go against Gods will. Then how did he become God's adversary? Are you saying that it was God's will that Satan become the monster that Christians believe he is?
There seem to be a lot of holes in your logic wakeup.
Tim
Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 06 2012,21:55) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 06 2012,11:41) Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 06 2012,03:52) Probably not Wakeup.
Is the Mycobacterium leprae bacteria an evil spirit?Tim
No Tim. but the spirit can introduce it to someone,just as man are doing it today.This is why we need Gods protection.
Just see Job.Job 2:6 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.
Satan can not go against Gods will.
wakeup.
Hi wakeup,In reply to the question of whether the Mycobacterium leprae bacteria was an evil spirit
you said:Quote No Tim. but the spirit can introduce it to someone ,just as man are doing it today. Does this mean that even in this day and age you still believe that disease is caused by evil spirits or demons in the body?
Quote Job 2:6 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life. So does this mean that you believe that God is telling these evil spirits to make us ill, just like he told Satan to make Job miserable.
Quote Satan can not go against Gods will. Then how did he become God's adversary? Are you saying that it was God's will that Satan become the monster that Christians believe he is?
There seem to be a lot of holes in your logic wakeup.
Tim
No Timothy.Before God even created lucifer;he already knew what this creature WILL do.
God said; I created good and evil; I created day and I created night.
You see,The SPIRIT of evil it self must be exposed to the maximum first, before it will be destroyed,and satan is the one doing the job.Because he became proud,and he has his own plans. He wanted to be the god of the human race.
God created man,and he wanted man to know what is good and what is evil. Without knowing what is evil ,man will not know what is good.
So God put mankind through evil,but at the same time ;he is showing us how to be good.
And he is given us a choice,and also given us a way how to be good.
Man always has chosen to do the wrong thing,man choose to follow the desires of the flesh,because mankind before jacob was did not know the true God,so God wanted to introduce himself to mankind.
He started with Abraham,and his son Iaac,and then jacob,who is the father of 12 sons,and thats how the nation of israel was created by God.The 12 tribes.
Through this nation, God introduced strict rules and laws,to keep them uncontaminated by the neighbouring nations.
He also introduced to them a tradition, and scrifices for sins.But they all failed; sacrificing the unacceptable to God.
They did not pick the best,but the second best.And also their doings are not acceptable to God.They did not keep the commandments.They are going further and further from God.Their teachers have all gone corrupt,they rejected the prophets.
So God had to send his only son to bring them back to line,but they killed him.
So now God has gone to the gentiles,and they accepted Jesus that died on the cross for us,so that through him we can come to God.
Satan is still allowed to deceive the non believers,but he can not touch the true believers.
When evil in this world has come to the full;Christ will come back to destroy all that is evil.Now we realy know, what evil realy is.And the true followers of good will have their reward.
And the followers of evil also will have their reward.
But many that have not the opportunity to know christ will not be cast in the lake of fire, but they will be given another chance in the second resurrection.They will not be judged by Christ,but by their works,written in the book.
Before we are given a new body,we must be cleansed from the inside first.
The earth(planet) also will be cleansed.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
And you got all of that from where?
It doesn't coincide with what the bible says.For instance, there is a glaring discrepancy between your bible and your statement
Quote God created man,and he wanted man to know what is good and what is evil. Without knowing what is evil ,man will not know what is good. Then why did he tell Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil which would have given them that knowledge?
God either did not want them to know, or else he did want them to know and merely wanted an excuse to curse them, and every generation after them forever, because he knew what they would do.
Which was it?
Tim
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