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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 31 2012,13:42) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 30 2012,22:25) Quote (2besee @ Oct. 30 2012,19:11) Stuart you talk in riddles:) On the last page you said that a miracle would be my seeing that Christianity – or a belief in a creator – is a delusion.
From my point of view I have always believed in a creator so I would see your NOT believing in a creator as some type of a delusion, like you would see my belief as a delusion.
I am sitting in my room right now and I KNOW that everything that is in it was created, it didn't just 'happen'.
Anyway, it is cool. We can both be deluded in our own way!
I am not deluded about anything, at least you have not identified anything. Just 'cause you have always believed something doesn't make it true.I believe that most of the stuff in your room was created too, by humans. There is one thing in your room that was not created, and that is you.
I do not assent to your claim that I am deluded. Don't forget I have given some examples of how you are deluded, and you don't seem to have refuted those.
It isn't “cool” at all. It is a sign that you aren't very secure about your beliefs that you somehow need me to be deluded too.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,I must have missed those examples, how exactly is he deluded?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
They're still there if you care to look back in the thread.Stuart
Quote (princess @ Oct. 31 2012,11:45) Quote I am not deluded about anything LOL…..
“I am not deluded about anything, at least you have not identified anything.”Quoting myself…
…a sure sign of egomania!
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 31 2012,18:09) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 31 2012,13:42) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 30 2012,22:25) Quote (2besee @ Oct. 30 2012,19:11) Stuart you talk in riddles:) On the last page you said that a miracle would be my seeing that Christianity – or a belief in a creator – is a delusion.
From my point of view I have always believed in a creator so I would see your NOT believing in a creator as some type of a delusion, like you would see my belief as a delusion.
I am sitting in my room right now and I KNOW that everything that is in it was created, it didn't just 'happen'.
Anyway, it is cool. We can both be deluded in our own way!
I am not deluded about anything, at least you have not identified anything. Just 'cause you have always believed something doesn't make it true.I believe that most of the stuff in your room was created too, by humans. There is one thing in your room that was not created, and that is you.
I do not assent to your claim that I am deluded. Don't forget I have given some examples of how you are deluded, and you don't seem to have refuted those.
It isn't “cool” at all. It is a sign that you aren't very secure about your beliefs that you somehow need me to be deluded too.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,I must have missed those examples, how exactly is he deluded?
God bless
Ed J
They're still there if you care to look back in the thread.Stuart
Hi Stuart,Can you give me the date stamp?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ Oct. 31 2012,00:25) Quote (2besee @ Oct. 30 2012,19:11) Stuart you talk in riddles:) On the last page you said that a miracle would be my seeing that Christianity – or a belief in a creator – is a delusion.
From my point of view I have always believed in a creator so I would see your NOT believing in a creator as some type of a delusion, like you would see my belief as a delusion.
I am sitting in my room right now and I KNOW that everything that is in it was created, it didn't just 'happen'.
Anyway, it is cool. We can both be deluded in our own way!
I am not deluded about anything, at least you have not identified anything. Just 'cause you have always believed something doesn't make it true.I believe that most of the stuff in your room was created too, by humans. There is one thing in your room that was not created, and that is you.
I do not assent to your claim that I am deluded. Don't forget I have given some examples of how you are deluded, and you don't seem to have refuted those.
It isn't “cool” at all. It is a sign that you aren't very secure about your beliefs that you somehow need me to be deluded too.
Stuart
I was thinking about what you said today Stuart and I had to smile a bit. I don't really know what to say back though.Stu, when you made your cup of tea, did you make your cup of tea or did it just magically appear?
I forget what it is that you believe, is it the big bang theory, evolution, or something similar?
Quote (2besee @ Oct. 31 2012,21:08) Stu, when you made your cup of tea, did you make your cup of tea or did it just magically appear? I forget what it is that you believe, is it the big bang theory, evolution, or something similar?
Big Bang cosmology explains the appearance of matter and energy (and possibly dark matter and dark energy too).Evolution by natural selection explains entirely the diversity of life on the planet, and chemistry plausibly explains the appearance of life at least to the level of working hypothesis.
If it's the magical appearance of things you're wondering about, then I'd refer you to creationists.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 31 2012,18:11) Quote (princess @ Oct. 31 2012,11:45) Quote I am not deluded about anything LOL…..
“I am not deluded about anything, at least you have not identified anything.”Quoting myself…
…a sure sign of egomania!
Stuart
Egomanic…………true, that is no delusion.We all have our delusions Stuart of something or the other. Personally, I believe a bit of delusion is healthy, as with all things moderation is to be kept.
If one finds peace in believing in such then so be it, however I disagree if another mocks or makes fun of such, there is no reason for such, taking on this thought process is what has kept me off the forum of late.
I have my delusion of you, would you like to know?
Quote (2besee @ Oct. 31 2012,21:08) Stu, when you made your cup of tea, did you make your cup of tea or did it just magically appear? I forget what it is that you believe, is it the big bang theory, evolution, or something similar?
Depending on the day, sometimes my son brews my tea others times I do, but so far no god or gods have come down to make it for me, what about you?Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 31 2012,13:44) Quote (princess @ Oct. 31 2012,11:45) Quote I am not deluded about anything LOL…..
Hi Princess,Yea it is funny, isn't it.
How have you been?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hello Edj,I find Stuart amusing in a different way then you do, mine is because he is dear to me.
Thank you for your kind thoughts I am doing well. I hope to find you the same.
Take care of yourself Edj.
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 31 2012,23:42) Quote (2besee @ Oct. 31 2012,21:08) Stu, when you made your cup of tea, did you make your cup of tea or did it just magically appear? I forget what it is that you believe, is it the big bang theory, evolution, or something similar?
Big Bang cosmology explains the appearance of matter and energy (and possibly dark matter and dark energy too).Evolution by natural selection explains entirely the diversity of life on the planet, and chemistry plausibly explains the appearance of life at least to the level of working hypothesis.
If it's the magical appearance of things you're wondering about, then I'd refer you to creationists.
Stuart
Oh I see well I will have to look into those because I know nothing about it! (much)I will.
Quote (princess @ Nov. 01 2012,14:15) Quote (2besee @ Oct. 31 2012,21:08) Stu, when you made your cup of tea, did you make your cup of tea or did it just magically appear? I forget what it is that you believe, is it the big bang theory, evolution, or something similar?
Depending on the day, sometimes my son brews my tea others times I do, but so far no god or gods have come down to make it for me, what about you?
Thank you exactly my point.Your welcome, however I have not seen you make a point.
For you to think that making a cup of tea solves the age old question about god, then you are delusional. Perhaps you should keep current with the times of christianity and the changes that they are making for you to believe in, the big bang is believed now, when the universe was supposedly made yes there was a great event that could be determined. Evolution is accepted using the genealogy of the christian bible. Esau for example.
So before you think that you have a firm grasp on your religion I would suggest you take a few course on the matter. Just saying.
Now I could continue on and on comparing your god to others, comparing your rituals to others ect. ect, however with the limited knowledge you have about your own religion it would seem senseless. Even so, there are many good books/articles to read on the matter.
Enjoy the day!
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 01 2012,18:53) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 31 2012,23:42) Quote (2besee @ Oct. 31 2012,21:08) Stu, when you made your cup of tea, did you make your cup of tea or did it just magically appear? I forget what it is that you believe, is it the big bang theory, evolution, or something similar?
Big Bang cosmology explains the appearance of matter and energy (and possibly dark matter and dark energy too).Evolution by natural selection explains entirely the diversity of life on the planet, and chemistry plausibly explains the appearance of life at least to the level of working hypothesis.
If it's the magical appearance of things you're wondering about, then I'd refer you to creationists.
Stuart
Oh I see well I will have to look into those because I know nothing about it! (much)I will.
Good on you.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Nov. 01 2012,21:51) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 01 2012,18:53) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 31 2012,23:42) Quote (2besee @ Oct. 31 2012,21:08) Stu, when you made your cup of tea, did you make your cup of tea or did it just magically appear? I forget what it is that you believe, is it the big bang theory, evolution, or something similar?
Big Bang cosmology explains the appearance of matter and energy (and possibly dark matter and dark energy too).Evolution by natural selection explains entirely the diversity of life on the planet, and chemistry plausibly explains the appearance of life at least to the level of working hypothesis.
If it's the magical appearance of things you're wondering about, then I'd refer you to creationists.
Stuart
Oh I see well I will have to look into those because I know nothing about it! (much)I will.
Good on you.Stuart
Stu.What exactly do you live for?
Just work; eat; sleep;have some fun;grow old in a home and die,and the grave.You have nothing to look forward to,but the grave.
Why bother caring for others?
Just make the best of this life, and do to others as they do unto you,and much more.Why bother to consider right or wrong?
Every one must look for them selves; the strong shall survive, as for the weak,thats their problem.This is the only one life we have,lets not squander it.
Let no one be in the way,and if anyone is in the way; Just bulldoze right through,and squash,and stamp.With no mercy,for this is the only life we have.
Conscience can not have room in this life ,for there is no God,and why need conscience if there is nothing but the grave,why bother.To acknowledge conscience,is to deceive one self,that there is a God that will judge.
Why should one love one another? For this is to acknowledge that there is love. Love is an abstract,why believe in the abstract,its nonsense.
There is no love in the jungle;the strong eat the weak to survive, and thats all there is to it.
There need not be manners in the jugle,whats the purpose,it will only impede survival.A man of the material world,truly should not embrace the abstract, such as love, and sorry, and courtesy and apology,this is only deceiving one self.
There is no good or bad: if there is; than who is HE that draws the line? Between good and bad? Is it the individual?
Good for one to survive, is bad for an other one, that has been robbed.Good for one that kills to survive, is bad for the family that lost a member.
Good for one that cheats to survive, but bad for the victim.
Why need to give;for that is a loss.
To be good in this world is foolishness,for it is only a loss.There is no God,so lets just take,and take,for there is only the grave ahead.
No God; no conscience; no love,no sorry,no need to be good.
Just whats good for the individual.me first.
Judges should not use the ten commandments,or the holy bible to swear on.This is all hypocrisy; they should judge according their own laws of man, which is the strong survive,and the weak are there by nature to be trampled on.
Good is bad, and bad is good. Good for one, is bad for the other. for one is forgotten after the grave.We just turn into dung,and dust.
We are all just animals,we can only live as animals,for conscience can not evolve.Animals had lived long before humans; but still no conscience has evolved in them.
We learn by experience you say: How can a brain with no dna of conscience, evolve into a brain that has a dna of consciense? Conscience is an abstract,it does not evolve.
Morals does not evolve from what is not there from the beginning. Even a little child knows when he or she has done something wrong,and yet,the brain has not experience or evolved into knowing whats right and whats wrong.
And yet, that child can sense that he has done wrong.
An athiest exercising morals and conscience,is a hypocrite,or still confused.
I say, that there is a God that draws the line between good and bad. He is the judge,a righteous judge,which men can not have that authority,for we are corrupt,and always selfish.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2012,15:00) This is the only one life we have,lets not squander it.
This I agree with.The rest tells me more about you than it does about me.
Does it represent christianity? If so, I think you could find a better hobby that that.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Nov. 02 2012,15:10) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2012,15:00) This is the only one life we have,lets not squander it.
This I agree with.The rest tells me more about you than it does about me.
Does it represent christianity? If so, I think you could find a better hobby that that.
Stuart
Stu.Do you love your brothers and sisters and mum and dad?
If your answer is yes, then you are not a true atheist.
But a confused one,not believing in God, but yet believe in love.For love can not evolve from animals to humans.
The abstract does not evolve.The big bang is just a theory,no man has seen a big bang.
It is just circumstantial witnessing,it will be thrown out of court.No man has seen an animal turning into a partly human.
Its a delusion.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2012,18:56) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 02 2012,15:10) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2012,15:00) This is the only one life we have,lets not squander it.
This I agree with.The rest tells me more about you than it does about me.
Does it represent christianity? If so, I think you could find a better hobby that that.
Stuart
Stu.Do you love your brothers and sisters and mum and dad?
If your answer is yes, then you are not a true atheist.
But a confused one,not believing in God, but yet believe in love.For love can not evolve from animals to humans.
The abstract does not evolve.The big bang is just a theory,no man has seen a big bang.
It is just circumstantial witnessing,it will be thrown out of court.No man has seen an animal turning into a partly human.
Its a delusion.wakeup.
Have you tried lawn bowls?Stuart
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2012,15:00) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 01 2012,21:51) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 01 2012,18:53) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 31 2012,23:42) Quote (2besee @ Oct. 31 2012,21:08) Stu, when you made your cup of tea, did you make your cup of tea or did it just magically appear? I forget what it is that you believe, is it the big bang theory, evolution, or something similar?
Big Bang cosmology explains the appearance of matter and energy (and possibly dark matter and dark energy too).Evolution by natural selection explains entirely the diversity of life on the planet, and chemistry plausibly explains the appearance of life at least to the level of working hypothesis.
If it's the magical appearance of things you're wondering about, then I'd refer you to creationists.
Stuart
Oh I see well I will have to look into those because I know nothing about it! (much)I will.
Good on you.Stuart
Stu.What exactly do you live for?
Just work; eat; sleep;have some fun;grow old in a home and die,and the grave.You have nothing to look forward to,but the grave.
Why bother caring for others?
Just make the best of this life, and do to others as they do unto you,and much more.Why bother to consider right or wrong?
Every one must look for them selves; the strong shall survive, as for the weak,thats their problem.This is the only one life we have,lets not squander it.
Let no one be in the way,and if anyone is in the way; Just bulldoze right through,and squash,and stamp.With no mercy,for this is the only life we have.
Conscience can not have room in this life ,for there is no God,and why need conscience if there is nothing but the grave,why bother.To acknowledge conscience,is to deceive one self,that there is a God that will judge.
Why should one love one another? For this is to acknowledge that there is love. Love is an abstract,why believe in the abstract,its nonsense.
There is no love in the jungle;the strong eat the weak to survive, and thats all there is to it.
There need not be manners in the jugle,whats the purpose,it will only impede survival.A man of the material world,truly should not embrace the abstract, such as love, and sorry, and courtesy and apology,this is only deceiving one self.
There is no good or bad: if there is; than who is HE that draws the line? Between good and bad? Is it the individual?
Good for one to survive, is bad for an other one, that has been robbed.Good for one that kills to survive, is bad for the family that lost a member.
Good for one that cheats to survive, but bad for the victim.
Why need to give;for that is a loss.
To be good in this world is foolishness,for it is only a loss.There is no God,so lets just take,and take,for there is only the grave ahead.
No God; no conscience; no love,no sorry,no need to be good.
Just whats good for the individual.me first.
Judges should not use the ten commandments,or the holy bible to swear on.This is all hypocrisy; they should judge according their own laws of man, which is the strong survive,and the weak are there by nature to be trampled on.
Good is bad, and bad is good. Good for one, is bad for the other. for one is forgotten after the grave.We just turn into dung,and dust.
We are all just animals,we can only live as animals,for conscience can not evolve.Animals had lived long before humans; but still no conscience has evolved in them.
We learn by experience you say: How can a brain with no dna of conscience, evolve into a brain that has a dna of consciense? Conscience is an abstract,it does not evolve.
Morals does not evolve from what is not there from the beginning. Even a little child knows when he or she has done something wrong,and yet,the brain has not experience or evolved into knowing whats right and whats wrong.
And yet, that child can sense that he has done wrong.
An athiest exercising morals and conscience,is a hypocrite,or still confused.
I say, that there is a God that draws the line between good and bad. He is the judge,a righteous judge,which men can not have that authority,for we are corrupt,and always selfish.
wakeup.
I'm sorry,
I will usually address the post and not the person,
but that boy done prayed himself stupid.
TimQuote (Stu @ Oct. 21 2012,23:55) Quote (t8 @ Oct. 21 2012,17:59) Instead we are only required to give honour to that source
Why should you be required to do that?Stuart
The same reason you would give honour to your own father, but even more so. Or why your own children should honour you as their father.Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2012,18:00) Stu. What exactly do you live for?
Just work; eat; sleep;have some fun;grow old in a home and die,and the grave.
Stu will die like all men do.
Then it will be something he will face alone.
Imagine his surprise when he realises that life had eternal meaning and consequences.
Maybe he will realise the gift that he possesses is great, the gift of life. But he could also squander it to the very end.
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