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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2011,01:22) Quote (mikeangel @ Dec. 29 2011,05:40) Pierre, Those may well seem like good human arguements, but they are just that. They do not change the scriptural fact that Jesus was God made man, both human and devine.
What “scriptural fact”, Mark?
The things Pierre posted WERE the “scriptural facts”. What you posted is unscriptural, because there is no scripture that says Jesus was “God made man”.
God is not a man, nor a son of man. (Numbers 23:19)
The scriptural fact of the matter is that we have but ONE God, the Father. Jesus is not that God, but the SON OF that God. Jesus said He is our God AND his own God.
Mark, does God Almighty have a god of his own?
Quote God is not a man, nor a son of man. (Numbers 23:19) Mike,
Please respect scripture:
Numbers 23:19God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent:
Now read this:
Mike is not a man that he should be true, neither a being that he should admit.
That Jesus is God.
So according to your definition you are neither a man nor a being.
What are you Mike
Since your body is not you,
Your soul is not you,
your voice is not you.Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh I know
YOU ARE NOTHING
JUST MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIKE
peace and Love in Jesus
CHARLES
Now
read this:
Mike?
infront of JesusJesus: “didn't you read the sdriptures properly when I said “I and my Father are one???”
Mike: My Lord but that was not you in the bible,that was you words!!!
Jesus: “OK then if you prefer it that way My words will sent you to purgotary,oh wait you don't believe in it ,go to Hell then according to what you believe
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2011,00:45) Quote (carmel @ Dec. 29 2011,07:37) Mike,this include also human titles which where given to the unknown and mysterious god of the OT.
Jesus Christ is above the name of jehovah,jahweh,and all the rest since Jesus fuldilled the OT.
Charles,You are a big fan of the KJV Bible, right? Check out this site.
Why do you suppose these “good people” would say, “We want to help everyone get their questions answered and the Divine Name declared.” ? (At the bottom of the page I linked)
You are foolish to think the name God Himself gave us through Moses is unimportant, or lessor to the name of the SERVANT HE HIMSELF ANOINTED AND SENT.
Quote You are a big fan of the KJV Bible, right? No Mike I am not a fan of KJV.
You should have known me by now I AM A FAN OF JESUS AS GOD MAN.
I rely mostly on two Bibles one of them the KJV.
The Other is Douay-Rheims Bible
These two bibleS are the most reliable and I used them both in order to have more light.
I also refer to others, NIV, NAS,AND ASV
Also NWT TO BE AWARE HOW CORRUPTED THEIR SCRIPTURE IS.
THE WATCHTOWER MASSACRED THE WORD OF GOD AND MADE IT A LIE.
THEY DIDN'T EVEN RESPECTED THE GREEK LANGUAGE IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THEIR AIM THAT JESUS IS NOT THE SON OF GOD,NEVER MIND GOD MAN
CHARLES
Quote (carmel @ Dec. 29 2011,13:29) Also NWT TO BE AWARE HOW CORRUPTED THEIR SCRIPTURE IS.
Charles,Did you know there is a thread here called “Blatant Corruption in the NWT”? I have a standing challenge there to anyone who can post one single scripture that is translated wrong in the NWT.
Few have even tried, none have succeeded. Perhaps you and Wakeup will have a race to be the first?
As for the rest of your posts, get back to me when the drugs wear off. I can't make heads or tails out of any of it.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2011,00:36) Quote (mikeangel @ Dec. 29 2011,06:21) He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,
Why Mark? It was the GOD OF Jesus who created all things through Jesus. It is the GOD OF Jesus who is greater than Jesus. It is the GOD OF Jesus who Jesus still calls “my God”.So why would JESUS be “supreme over all creation”? Don't you think Jesus's OWN GOD would be supreme over His own creation?
If Jesus Christ (the one God anointed) is the supreme one, then where does that leave Jesus's own God and Father? Chopped liver?
And if “firstborn OF creation” really means “preeminent over creation”, why is it that we never hear the Father being called the “firstborn of all creation”?
Can you imagine the Father being called “firstborn” at all? If not, then why?
Too funny. I had copied that and pasted it from scripture. It's Col 1:15. Here's where I got it-New International Version (©1984)
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
New Living Translation (©2007)
Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,Write them also.
mike and terrarica,
maybe mike you can help terrarica finding a “WORD First creation” in col 1:15? bec terrarica is always insisting that christ is created and HE used col 1:15? both of you are always twisting the WORD of GOD. mike and terrarica, im still waiting. are you afraid to answer
hahahahahahha. your teachings are not from GOD. you are just making your OWN EXPLANATION. HAHAHAHAH Mark,
I don't have access to the people who incorrectly translated the New Living Translation. I only have access to YOU.
So since it was YOU who posted their flawed rendering as support of YOUR belief, then I suppose it is YOU who needs to address the points I made in objection to that translation, right?
Quote (carmel @ Dec. 30 2011,05:41) Also Mike, Is your Body you???
Is your head you??
is your leg you”??
is your
?? you???What is you then ??
I agree. Who is posting in mikeboll's name? If it is not him, then who can it be?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2011,12:09) Mark, I don't have access to the people who incorrectly translated the New Living Translation. I only have access to YOU.
So since it was YOU who posted their flawed rendering as support of YOUR belief, then I suppose it is YOU who needs to address the points I made in objection to that translation, right?
No because I agree with them.Job 18:13
21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
13It shall devour the strength of his skin; even the firstborn of death shall devour his strength.
mike and terrarica, it says there FIRSTBORN OF DEATH. DOES IT MEAN FIRST DEATH?
? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Quote (jammin @ Dec. 29 2011,19:09) mike and terrarica, maybe mike you can help terrarica finding a “WORD First creation” in col 1:15? bec terrarica is always insisting that christ is created and HE used col 1:15? both of you are always twisting the WORD of GOD. mike and terrarica, im still waiting. are you afraid to answer
hahahahahahha. your teachings are not from GOD. you are just making your OWN EXPLANATION. HAHAHAHAH
jammin,If you were a serious student of scripture, and were here to seriously debate scriptural teachings, anyone here will tell you that Pierre and I will talk your ears off about scripture.
But you have fallen below our “level of interest” because you treat this as some kind of a joke.
I have addressed each and every point you've ever brought up to me. You have addressed none of mine.
You play word games and twist things around. For example, I claimed that Satan was an angel and a son of God, and that scripture bears this out. But all of a sudden, I'm being harassed by you to post the scripture where SATAN SAYS HE IS A SON OF GOD.
I never claimed that Satan said those words in the first place.And I spoke of Jesus having the same SPIRIT BEING nature that his God has – the nature that all the OTHER angels his God created also have. And all of a sudden, I'm being harassed to post a translation that SAYS “spirit being” in Phil 2.
I never claimed there was a translation that said that. I pointed out that if God is a SPIRIT BEING, and Jesus has His nature, then it is obvious that Jesus also has the nature of a SPIRIT BEING, just like his God.Just like you and I have the same HUMAN BEING nature.
And now you're harassing Pierre about finding a translation that says “first created” in Col 1:15.
But Pierre never claimed that there was one. Instead, we've tried to tell you that “firstborn OF creation” means that Jesus must be a member OF the group he is the firstborn OF.The firstborn of the herd MUST BE A MEMBER OF THE HERD. The firstborn of the flock MUST BE A MEMBER OF THE FLOCK. And the firstborn of creation MUST BE A MEMBER OF CREATION.
But you don't want to actually deal with these facts, jammin. Instead you run around posting smilies all over the place and acting like a 14 year old. Pierre and I are serious students of scripture, jammin. We have no time for your shenanigans. Hit us up when you're ready to have a SERIOUS scriptural discussion.
Until then, we will most likely continue to ignore your childish posts.
Quote (mikeangel @ Dec. 29 2011,19:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2011,12:09) Mark, I don't have access to the people who incorrectly translated the New Living Translation. I only have access to YOU.
So since it was YOU who posted their flawed rendering as support of YOUR belief, then I suppose it is YOU who needs to address the points I made in objection to that translation, right?
No because I agree with them.
So then address the points of objection I made about that translation. So far, you didn't actually address the points, but only pointed out you quoted a translation.Please address the points.
Quote (jammin @ Dec. 29 2011,19:12) Job 18:13 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
13It shall devour the strength of his skin; even the firstborn of death shall devour his strength.
mike and terrarica, it says there FIRSTBORN OF DEATH. DOES IT MEAN FIRST DEATH
From NETNotes:
Job 18:13
The “firstborn of death” is the strongest child of death (Gen 49:3), or the deadliest death.It is metaphoric for “the deadliest death”, but the phrase actually refers to the strongest CHILD of death. Because a “firstborn” was at one time BORN. There is NO EXCEPTION to this rule in any scripture.
mike,
u are just making excuses. where did you read in job 1:6 that satan is called son of GOD? sons of GOD there are divine beings. is satan divine???
phil 2:6 you saids equally spirit being? where did you read that in phil 2:6?? angels are also spirit beings BUT THEY ARE NOT EQUAL WITH GOD! READ A VERSE THAT ANGELS ARE ALSO EQUAL WITH GOD! that word of yours “equally spirit being” is not what the scripture says.
that is why im asking you to read a translation that says equally spirit being in phil 2:6. but YOU CANT GIVE ME ANY TRANSLATION. THAT MEANS , IT'S ONLY YOUR CONCLUSION.the bible says FIRSTBORN OF DEATH job18:13? DOES IT MEAN MEMBER OF THE DEATH??does it mean first death??? hahahahah
IT'S JUST YOUR OWN EXPLANATION. AND READERS DONT WANT THAT. WE NEED SCRIPTURE NOT YOUR OWN WORDS. READ A TRANSLATION MIKE! HAHAHAHAH
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2011,12:35) Quote (jammin @ Dec. 29 2011,19:12) Job 18:13 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
13It shall devour the strength of his skin; even the firstborn of death shall devour his strength.
mike and terrarica, it says there FIRSTBORN OF DEATH. DOES IT MEAN FIRST DEATH
From NETNotes:
Job 18:13
The “firstborn of death” is the strongest child of death (Gen 49:3), or the deadliest death.It is metaphoric for “the deadliest death”, but the phrase actually refers to the strongest CHILD of death. Because a “firstborn” was at one time BORN. There is NO EXCEPTION to this rule in any scripture.
there you go mikeso you admit that it's not FIRST DEATH
THE MEANING OF JOB 18:13 FIRSTBORN OF DEATH IS DEADLY DISEASE!
the firstborn of all creation in col 1:15 was not telling us that christ was created or first created but to CHRIST'S SUPREMACY!
YOU CANT READ THAT CHRIST IS CREATED IN COL 1:15. THAT IS JUST YOUR OWN EXPLANATION. WE DONT NEED YOUR OWN WORDS MIKE. WE NEED THE EXPLANATION OF THE BIBLE NOT YOURS!
Quote (jammin @ Dec. 29 2011,19:35) mike, where did you read in job 1:6 that satan is called son of GOD?
Against my better judgment, I'm going to give you ONE MORE TRY, jammin.From now on, address me as if you were addressing your father, and not one of your skateboarding buddies, okay?
Now, listen VERY CAREFULLY here, and actually ADDRESS these points that I've ALREADY MADE FOR YOU BEFORE!
From NETNotes, concerning Job 1:6:
The word means “adversary” or with the article “the adversary” – here the superhuman adversary or Satan.He came among the angels at this time because he is one of them and has access among them. Even though fallen, Satan has yet to be cast down completely (see Rev 12).
I don't really care if you don't agree with these 25 Trinitarian scholars and me, jammin. What they've stated above is also how I understand it. And if you don't like that, too bad.
ALL angels are sons of God. Satan IS an angel, and therefore a son of God. That's just the way it is. And NO, I won't “read a translation” for you. What I will do is give you TWO choices, because the truth has to be one of them:
1. “And Satan also came AMONG them (the other angels)” means that Satan is also one of the many angels who were called before God.
2. “And Satan also came AMONG them” means that God invited His own ENEMY to a gathering of His divine angels. And not only INVITED him, but cordially conversed with him about his latest travels and endeavors.
Now jammin, WHICH ONE OF THESE TWO POSSIBILITIES DO YOU THINK MAKES MORE SENSE?
If you pick #2, then that is the END OF IT. It will simply be a case of me having my understanding, with which the scholars of NETNotes agree (as well as other leading scholars), and you having your understanding.
We will agree to disagree, and that will be the END OF IT. Got it?
Quote (jammin @ Dec. 29 2011,19:42) YOU CANT READ THAT CHRIST IS CREATED IN COL 1:15. THAT IS JUST YOUR OWN EXPLANATION. WE DONT NEED YOUR OWN WORDS MIKE. WE NEED THE EXPLANATION OF THE BIBLE NOT YOURS!
jammin,Is the firstborn of the flock a MEMBER of the flock? YES or NO?
Quote (jammin @ Dec. 29 2011,19:42) so you admit that it's not FIRST DEATH
Read the info again, jammin. It supports my and Pierre's point of view……………NOT YOURS.satan is angel BUT NOT DIVINE! SATAN IS A FALLEN ANGEL. JOB 1:6 SONS OF GOD AS THE DIVINE ANGELS. IS SATAN DIVINE MIKE??? READ A VERSE! WE DONT NEED YOUR OWN WORDS!
MIKE: Is the firstborn of the flock a MEMBER of the flock? YES or NO?
ARE WE TALKING FIRSTBORN OF ALL CREATION OR FIRSTBORN OF THE FLOCK??? READ THAT CHRIST IS CREATED IN COL 1:15! NO NEED FOR YOUR OWN EXPLANATION! READ IT IN THE BIBLE! READ IT MIKE THAT THE MEANING OF FIRSTBORN OF ALL CREATION MEANS CHRIST IS CREATED!
ILL READ THAT THE MEANING OF FIRSTBORN OF ALL CREATION IN COL 1:15 IS CHRIST RANKS HIGHER THAN EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN MADE!
YOU READ THAT CHRIST IS CREATED IN COL 1:15? ILL WAIT MIKE, READ THAT THE MEANING OF FIRSTBORN OF ALL CREATION IS FIRST CREATED! READ IT IN COL 1:15. ILL WAIT
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