- This topic is empty.
- Posts
Hi Mark,
I'm not trying to be unreasonable with you. But Gene and Ed have asked me this many times in many different ways before. And my answer remains the same: I am NOT my own word(s).
Mark
Quote Also, if you said “I am God”, you are right, it would be blasphemy, and a lie. But if God said “When you see the Father, you have seen me”, it would be the word of God from God, as everything that came out of his mouth, that is documented in the gospels, is considered truth and scripture. His word is accepted by most as God's word. Like everything I read from you is your word, subject to error, because you are subject to human error, and fallable. Peace-Mark look it this way;if Christ is God himself ;then all the scriptures are totally a wast of time because it would have no power of truth at all;
1) God says no men can see him and live this would be a lie,
2)God his not a man ;says scriptures ,so again this would be a lie,
3)scriptures say that the heaven are the dwellings of God, again this would be a lie,
4)scriptures says that God can not be tempted but Jesus did ; so this would be a lie
5)God can not die ,and we all know Christ died ,so this would be also a lie
6)'THE WORD OF GOD “is said to be Christ this is his NAME so you declare that scripture a lie
7)SO WHY WASTING TIME TO LEARN ALL THOSE LIE
THEN WHY BELIEVING THAT CHRIST WILL SAVE YOU ??
8)WHY DO YOU NOT BELIEVE THAT HE IS ONLY THE SON OF GOD ,JUST AS HE SAYS IT ??well its up to you Mark
Pierre
terrarica, where can i read first creation in col 1:15
where can i read your OWN EXPLANATION. im waiting. 
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 29 2011,12:09) Hi Mark, I'm not trying to be unreasonable with you. But Gene and Ed have asked me this many times in many different ways before. And my answer remains the same: I am NOT my own word(s).
Thank you. Now I understand. If you believe that what you say is not exclusively you, then no wonder you do not see how Jesus was the exact expression and representation of God.. I do not understand how you can say that . I know from reading your post and the logic you expect everyone else to follow, that I think you know your word can only come from you. You just won't agree with it because you know what that will imply. You may not be trying, but I believe it is unreasonable, it doesn't make sense. Peace-MarkOn the other hand, I kinda understand in this way, I said it myself-
Quote everything I read from you is your word, subject to error, because you are subject to human error, and fallable.
PeaceQuote (terraricca @ Dec. 29 2011,12:35) Mark Quote Also, if you said “I am God”, you are right, it would be blasphemy, and a lie. But if God said “When you see the Father, you have seen me”, it would be the word of God from God, as everything that came out of his mouth, that is documented in the gospels, is considered truth and scripture. His word is accepted by most as God's word. Like everything I read from you is your word, subject to error, because you are subject to human error, and fallable. Peace-Mark look it this way;if Christ is God himself ;then all the scriptures are totally a wast of time because it would have no power of truth at all;
1) God says no men can see him and live this would be a lie,
2)God his not a man ;says scriptures ,so again this would be a lie,
3)scriptures say that the heaven are the dwellings of God, again this would be a lie,
4)scriptures says that God can not be tempted but Jesus did ; so this would be a lie
5)God can not die ,and we all know Christ died ,so this would be also a lie
6)'THE WORD OF GOD “is said to be Christ this is his NAME so you declare that scripture a lie
7)SO WHY WASTING TIME TO LEARN ALL THOSE LIE THEN WHY BELIEVING THAT CHRIST WILL SAVE YOU ??
8)WHY DO YOU NOT BELIEVE THAT HE IS ONLY THE SON OF GOD ,JUST AS HE SAYS IT ??well its up to you Mark
Pierre
Pierre,Those may well seem like good human arguements, but they are just that. They do not change the scriptural fact that Jesus was God made man, both human and devine. He also deserves to be worshiped because of his divine lordship. You need to understand what Phillippians 2 says, or rip it out of your bible, because you would have to think it is a lie also. I even am quoting NWT's translation for mikeboll-
5 Keep this mental attitude in YOU that was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. 7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men. 8 More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death, yes, death on a torture stake. 9 For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every [other] name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
The scripture clearly glorifys Jesus as God in Human humbleness, but nevertheless God, worthy to be worshipped by the universe. One day you will say “Jesus Christ Is Lord”, to the GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER. Amen. Glory to Jesus.
Quote (jammin @ Dec. 29 2011,13:34) terrarica, where can i read first creation in col 1:15 where can i read your OWN EXPLANATION. im waiting.
Great scripture on the true identity of Jesus.-Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,
I agree, pretty much summs it up.
Quote (mikeangel @ Dec. 30 2011,05:14) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 29 2011,12:09) Hi Mark, I'm not trying to be unreasonable with you. But Gene and Ed have asked me this many times in many different ways before. And my answer remains the same: I am NOT my own word(s).
Thank you. Now I understand. If you believe that what you say is not exclusively you, then no wonder you do not see how Jesus was the exact expression and representation of God.. I do not understand how you can say that . I know from reading your post and the logic you expect everyone else to follow, that I think you know your word can only come from you. You just won't agree with it because you know what that will imply. You may not be trying, but I believe it is unreasonable, it doesn't make sense. Peace-Mark
MarkQuote that I think you know your word can only come from you so it comes from God but is not God ,Christ the son OF God that COMES FROM GOD explain it to us ,
God is spirit and has send his SON to us to tell what God wants and Christ is the direct messenger of God words
but he is not God he is the main courrier ,do you understand ?
Pierre
Quote (mikeangel @ Dec. 29 2011,05:43) Mike. One more thing- if
Quote I am NOT my own word(s). -Mikeboll
Then whos words are they?
They are MY words, Mark. Do you see the word “MY”? That indicates POSSESSION. A person is not the things he POSSESSES.If it is “the Word OF God”, then it is “God's Word”. The word “OF” and the “apostophe s” indicates that God's Word is a POSSESSION OF God – and not God Himself.
You said:
Quote no wonder you do not see how Jesus was the exact expression and representation of God..
But I DO see that. Jesus represents HIS OWN God, who sent him. The God who sent him is also OUR God, and the ONLY true God – according to Jesus himself.Think it out, Mark. God SENT His word via angels and prophets. Does that mean those angels and prophets WERE GOD HIMSELF? Get it? THEY spoke the very words of God to the people. If the words they spoke ARE THEM, then THEY must have also been God Himself.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 29 2011,12:09) Hi Mark, I'm not trying to be unreasonable with you. But Gene and Ed have asked me this many times in many different ways before. And my answer remains the same: I am NOT my own word(s).
Quote I am NOT my own word(s Mike ,
But when you say I,who actually are you.
you have to be specific.
because you will be judged according to what you say.
So who is talking.
peace and love n Jesus
Charles
Quote (mikeangel @ Dec. 29 2011,06:21) He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,
Why Mark? It was the GOD OF Jesus who created all things through Jesus. It is the GOD OF Jesus who is greater than Jesus. It is the GOD OF Jesus who Jesus still calls “my God”.So why would JESUS be “supreme over all creation”? Don't you think Jesus's OWN GOD would be supreme over His own creation?
If Jesus Christ (the one God anointed) is the supreme one, then where does that leave Jesus's own God and Father? Chopped liver?
And if “firstborn OF creation” really means “preeminent over creation”, why is it that we never hear the Father being called the “firstborn of all creation”?
Can you imagine the Father being called “firstborn” at all? If not, then why?
Quote (mikeangel @ Dec. 29 2011,22:40) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 29 2011,12:35) Mark Quote Also, if you said “I am God”, you are right, it would be blasphemy, and a lie. But if God said “When you see the Father, you have seen me”, it would be the word of God from God, as everything that came out of his mouth, that is documented in the gospels, is considered truth and scripture. His word is accepted by most as God's word. Like everything I read from you is your word, subject to error, because you are subject to human error, and fallable. Peace-Mark look it this way;if Christ is God himself ;then all the scriptures are totally a wast of time because it would have no power of truth at all;
1) God says no men can see him and live this would be a lie,
2)God his not a man ;says scriptures ,so again this would be a lie,
3)scriptures say that the heaven are the dwellings of God, again this would be a lie,
4)scriptures says that God can not be tempted but Jesus did ; so this would be a lie
5)God can not die ,and we all know Christ died ,so this would be also a lie
6)'THE WORD OF GOD “is said to be Christ this is his NAME so you declare that scripture a lie
7)SO WHY WASTING TIME TO LEARN ALL THOSE LIE THEN WHY BELIEVING THAT CHRIST WILL SAVE YOU ??
8)WHY DO YOU NOT BELIEVE THAT HE IS ONLY THE SON OF GOD ,JUST AS HE SAYS IT ??well its up to you Mark
Pierre
Pierre,Those may well seem like good human arguements, but they are just that. They do not change the scriptural fact that Jesus was God made man, both human and devine. He also deserves to be worshiped because of his divine lordship. You need to understand what Phillippians 2 says, or rip it out of your bible, because you would have to think it is a lie also. I even am quoting NWT's translation for mikeboll-
5 Keep this mental attitude in YOU that was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. 7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men. 8 More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death, yes, death on a torture stake. 9 For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every [other] name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
The scripture clearly glorifys Jesus as God in Human humbleness, but nevertheless God, worthy to be worshipped by the universe. One day you will say “Jesus Christ Is Lord”, to the GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER. Amen. Glory to Jesus.
Quote gave him the name that is above every [other] name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Mikeangel,
gave him the namethat is above every [other] name,
Mike,this include also human titles which where given to the unknown and mysterious god of the OT.
Jesus Christ is above the name of jehovah,jahweh,and all the rest since Jesus fuldilled the OT.peace and love in Jesus
Cahrles
Quote (carmel @ Dec. 29 2011,07:25) Mike , But when you say I,who actually are you.
Hi Charles,The word “I” refers to me myself. The words “word OF Mike” refer to things I said – NOT to me myself.
Look at you guys trying to make nonsense seem sensible in an attempt to have the scriptures teach what you WANT them to teach.
Quote (carmel @ Dec. 29 2011,07:37) Mike,this include also human titles which where given to the unknown and mysterious god of the OT.
Jesus Christ is above the name of jehovah,jahweh,and all the rest since Jesus fuldilled the OT.
Charles,You are a big fan of the KJV Bible, right? Check out this site.
Why do you suppose these “good people” would say, “We want to help everyone get their questions answered and the Divine Name declared.” ? (At the bottom of the page I linked)
You are foolish to think the name God Himself gave us through Moses is unimportant, or lessor to the name of the SERVANT HE HIMSELF ANOINTED AND SENT.
Mark
Quote Pierre, Those may well seem like good human arguements, but they are just that. They do not change the scriptural fact that Jesus was God made man
1)Those may well seem like good human arguements,;
1) God says no men can see him and live this would be a lie,
2)God his not a man ;says scriptures ,so again this would be a lie,
3)scriptures say that the heaven are the dwellings of God, again this would be a lie,
4)scriptures says that God can not be tempted but Jesus did ; so this would be a lie
5)God can not die ,and we all know Christ died ,so this would be also a lie
6)'THE WORD OF GOD “is said to be Christ this is his NAME so you declare that scripture a lie
7)SO WHY WASTING TIME TO LEARN ALL THOSE LIE THEN WHY BELIEVING THAT CHRIST WILL SAVE YOU ??
8)WHY DO YOU NOT BELIEVE THAT HE IS ONLY THE SON OF GOD ,JUST AS HE SAYS IT ??those are NOT men argument ';THOSE ARE SCRIPTURES THAT SAYS THAT ,YOU ARE NOT TRUE TO THE TRUTH YOU ARE LETTING YOURSELF BEING DECEIVED ,IN YOUR THINKING,
Quote Jesus was God made man, both human and devine. He also deserves to be worshiped because of his divine lordship. this comment is showing you have stopped reading the scriptures ,because their is no support for this in scriptures ,only men made argument .
if I am wrong show your supporting scriptures ??
Pierre
Quote (mikeangel @ Dec. 29 2011,05:40) Pierre, Those may well seem like good human arguements, but they are just that. They do not change the scriptural fact that Jesus was God made man, both human and devine.
What “scriptural fact”, Mark?The things Pierre posted WERE the “scriptural facts”. What you posted is unscriptural, because there is no scripture that says Jesus was “God made man”.
God is not a man, nor a son of man. (Numbers 23:19)
The scriptural fact of the matter is that we have but ONE God, the Father. Jesus is not that God, but the SON OF that God. Jesus said He is our God AND his own God.
Mark, does God Almighty have a god of his own?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2011,00:45) Quote (carmel @ Dec. 29 2011,07:37) Mike,this include also human titles which where given to the unknown and mysterious god of the OT.
Jesus Christ is above the name of jehovah,jahweh,and all the rest since Jesus fuldilled the OT.
Charles,You are a big fan of the KJV Bible, right? Check out this site.
Why do you suppose these “good people” would say, “We want to help everyone get their questions answered and the Divine Name declared.” ? (At the bottom of the page I linked)
You are foolish to think the name God Himself gave us through Moses is unimportant, or lessor to the name of the SERVANT HE HIMSELF ANOINTED AND SENT.
Quote You are foolish to think the name God Himself gave us through Moses is unimportant, or lessor to the name of the SERVANT HE HIMSELF ANOINTED AND SENT. Mike,
You are a foolish to believe that whoever spoke to Moses was God himself.
Scriptures is clear above ALL NAMES in,heaven earth,and under earth.Now if your god spoke in the OT and has a name,I'm sorry it is not above Jesus Christ's name,the only true GOD
Jesus said that no one heard His voice and saw His shape.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 30 2011,00:39) Quote (carmel @ Dec. 29 2011,07:25) Mike , But when you say I,who actually are you.
Hi Charles,The word “I” refers to me myself. The words “word OF Mike” refer to things I said – NOT to me myself.
Look at you guys trying to make nonsense seem sensible in an attempt to have the scriptures teach what you WANT them to teach.
Quote But when you say I,who actually are you. Mike again who actually are you??
Mike in flesh will be dust,when Mike the spirit would be infront of Jesus to be Judged.
Mike the spirit will be judged according to what Mike in Flesh is saying today!
Now:
Which one is you?
Since your words will be used to determine what you should become??
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
