Charles' Jesus is God Proof Texts

[carmel]

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2011,03:38) I'm still waiting for a scripture that teaches Jesus as God Almighty. Why not post just ONE scripture, Charles.  Then we can see if it really says what you claim it does. After all, that is the reason I started this thread in the first place – to refute your many scriptures from the first page of this thread, one at a time. I had refuted the first three before things got off track and moved to more and more different subjects.   Would you like me to continue with number 4 now? Quote  I'm still waiting for a scripture that teaches Jesus as God Almighty.   Mike, Explain this then if it is not as I defined it!! Now read this pieace of scripture which is quite assertive regarding Jesus is God in flesh: Hebrews 1:11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: ( SPIRIT)for which cause he is not ashamed to call them BRETHREN, 13And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the CHILDREN which God hath given me. In the first one 1:11 it is obvious that it is referring to Jesus, Jesus called them BRETHREN THEREFORE SETTLED while in the second one 1:13 He doesn't call them brethren to signify that it is a reference to the Father, but CHILDREN,therefore since they are the children they are of God THE FATHER NOT OF JESUS therefore the Father is praising His Son Jesus as God in flesh as a human being,not as a spirit being. let's write it to give more light. And again, I will put my trust in him.( Jesus) SINCE HE SAVED THEM THROUGH HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS, And again, Behold I( God AS A SPIRIT BEING) and the CHILDREN which God ( Jesus AS MAN /GOD)hath given me.

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And again, Behold I and the CHILDREN which God hath given me.

Mike,

which God hath given me.

Here Mike God is Jesus since it is through Him that the children were saved

[terraricca]

Quote (carmel @ Dec. 28 2011,12:53)

Quote (carmel @ Dec. 28 2011,04:04) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2011,03:38) I'm still waiting for a scripture that teaches Jesus as God Almighty. Why not post just ONE scripture, Charles.  Then we can see if it really says what you claim it does. After all, that is the reason I started this thread in the first place – to refute your many scriptures from the first page of this thread, one at a time. I had refuted the first three before things got off track and moved to more and more different subjects.   Would you like me to continue with number 4 now? Quote  I'm still waiting for a scripture that teaches Jesus as God Almighty.   Mike, Explain this then if it is not as I defined it!! Now read this pieace of scripture which is quite assertive regarding Jesus is God in flesh: Hebrews 1:11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: ( SPIRIT)for which cause he is not ashamed to call them BRETHREN, 13And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the CHILDREN which God hath given me. In the first one 1:11 it is obvious that it is referring to Jesus, Jesus called them BRETHREN THEREFORE SETTLED while in the second one 1:13 He doesn't call them brethren to signify that it is a reference to the Father, but CHILDREN,therefore since they are the children they are of God THE FATHER NOT OF JESUS therefore the Father is praising His Son Jesus as God in flesh as a human being,not as a spirit being. let's write it to give more light. And again, I will put my trust in him.( Jesus) SINCE HE SAVED THEM THROUGH HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS, And again, Behold I( God AS A SPIRIT BEING) and the CHILDREN which God ( Jesus AS MAN /GOD)hath given me. Quote And again, Behold I and the CHILDREN which God hath given me. Mike, which God hath given me. Here Mike God is Jesus since it is through Him that the children were saved

Charles

then Moses is God because it is trough him that Israel was saved from bondage in Egypt

this is insanity

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Quote (carmel @ Dec. 27 2011,12:53)

Mike, which God hath given me. Here Mike God is Jesus since it is through Him that the children were saved

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Hebrews 1:11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: ( SPIRIT)for which cause he is not ashamed to call them BRETHREN, 13And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the CHILDREN which God hath given me.

Charles, what scripture is this. It is not Hebrews 1 from what I can tell.

[jammin]

mike GOD is not the throne. hahahaha
my GOD is not the throne! heaven is the throne of GOD! praise GOD!
repent mike,

the father says to his SON, YOUR THRONE O GOD!

[mikeboll64]

Psalm 90:1
A prayer of Moses the man of God. Lord, you have been our dwelling place throughout all generations.

What do you think of this one, jammin? Is Jehovah the literal dwelling place of mankind?

[jammin]

are we talking about throne in ps 90:1 mike? or GOD is our refuge?? hahahahaha.
it's clear that the meaning of ps 90:1 is GOD is our REFUGE!

WHY ARE YOU COMPARING THAT VERSE TO HEB 1:8?? HAHAHAHAHA
MIKE WANTS TO TWIST AGAIN THE WORD OF GOD! HAHAHAHAHA. CLEARLY HE DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT HE IS SAYING

LET ME POST PS 90:1
Psalm 90:1

GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

Psalm 90

A prayer by Moses, the man of God.

1O Lord, you have been our refuge throughout every generation.

praise GOD! GOD is our refuge!

[mikeboll64]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 27 2011,19:51)

it's clear that the meaning of ps 90:1 is GOD is our REFUGE!

Ahhh…………..  So you ARE able to comprehend poetic language when it suits you!  

Now, have you ever heard it said that “throne” symbolizes “power”?  As in:  God is your power [source] forever and ever.

[jammin]

we are not talking about throne in ps 90:1
are you blind mike? hahahahaha
you dont know how to read? hahahahaha:D

[mikeboll64]

Don't you have a couple of questions waiting for you, jammin?

1. Can you show a scripture where Jesus himself claims that he is God Almighty?

2. Does God Almighty have a God of His own?

[jammin]

Don't you have a couple of questions waiting for you, jammin?

1. Can you show a scripture where Jesus himself claims that he is God Almighty?

2. Does God Almighty have a God of His own

before i answer that,
answer first your ASSINGMENTS! HAHAHAHAHAHA:D

[carmel]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2011,12:07)

Quote (carmel @ Dec. 27 2011,12:53) Mike, which God hath given me. Here Mike God is Jesus since it is through Him that the children were saved Quote Hebrews 1:11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: ( SPIRIT)for which cause he is not ashamed to call them BRETHREN, 13And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the CHILDREN which God hath given me. Charles, what scripture is this.  It is not Hebrews 1 from what I can tell.

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Charles, what scripture is this. It is not Hebrews 1 from what I can tell

Mike,

You are right .

It is Hebrews 2:11,and Hebrews 2:13

But still Mike a person like you should have known with so much awareness of scriptures.

Now I excpect you to define it yourself, in order to find the truth.

[mikeangel]

Hey Mikeboll,

Hope you had a good Christmas. Glad to see you still at it.

I thought about you the other day. I brought up a question I wanted to ask you in my meditations. As I read what you type in all your responses, I believe they are you. It is “your word”, your expressing yourself. Am I correct to assume that what you express in written form is exclusively you? “The word of Mikeboll”. Is it separate from you? Thanks, Mark

[carmel]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2011,04:16)

Quote (carmel @ Dec. 27 2011,11:04) In the first one 1:11 it is obvious that it is referring to Jesus, Jesus called them BRETHREN THEREFORE SETTLED while in the second one 1:13 He doesn't call them brethren to signify that it is a reference to the Father, but CHILDREN,therefore since they are the children they are of God THE FATHER NOT OF JESUS Charles, You have inadvertently hit upon one of the major proofs that Jesus is NOT God Almighty. We are to be BROTHERS to Jesus, and SONS to God. Do you know of any scripture that says we will be BROTHERS to God Almighty?  If not, then Jesus can't possibly be God Almighty, because we will be his brothers, and God's sons.

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You have inadvertently hit upon one of the major proofs that Jesus is NOT God Almighty.

Mike,

By saying that you agreed with me!

you better define it,so we could understand each other

[carmel]

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Quote (carmel @ Dec. 27 2011,00:28) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 25 2011,06:16) Quote (carmel @ Dec. 25 2011,00:32) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2011,13:15) charles Pierre, I will start from the end! Explain to me how Jesus became the first born of all and before all? YES ACCORDING TO PAUL COL;1;13-15 He was born of whom,if there were no one?? HE WAS CREATED BY GOD HIMSELF To be born, there must have been some one before Him. NO??THERE WAS GOD THE FATHER HE ALWAYS WAS Who is this someone who was born of?? ARE YOU REFERRING TO JESUS ? BEING BORN OF MARIE AND WERE GOD IS HIS FATHER ' Peace and love in Jesus Charles Quote He was born of whom,if there were no one?? HE WAS CREATED BY GOD HIMSELF I asked born of, not created. Scripture is clear the first born, not the first created!! Find in scripture where it is clear that “Jesus was created”. Charles I do not care for wording ; scriptures are saying that Christ was the first of God's creation or born or bring forth, or ……………….. the fact is Christ at one point was not their anywhere ,so God made him to be , Pierre Quote the fact is Christ at one point was not their anywhere ,so God made him to be , Pierre, Is this the kind of love you have for the one who gave you life??? Doesn't interest you to know the truth abouth Him??? Don't you care to know which road Jesus' Spirit took in order to appreciate more what He had to go through to give you a new birth through the sacrification of His own spirit, in order to give you a speck from His Spirit as your soul to abide within you?? And also to become like one of us in every sense except sin??? you said :at one point was not there anywhere?? Explain through scriptures the meaning of the above. Which point?? which moment?? Keep in mind that Jesus is the beginning of the first ever creation. To put it clear Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit from the Father,created the first ever Angel whoever may be . When therefore Jesus wasn't there at one point??? When you say He wasn't there do you mean He was not in existence??? Or He was not functioning. ARE YOU THERE YOURSELF NOW?? ARE YOU IN YOUR MIND NOW?? ARE YOU WITHIN YOU UNDERSTANDING ALTHOUGH YOU EXIST??? peace and love in Jesus Charles Charles if you try to tell me that Christ his God the creator ,or the other way around ,forget it I do not believe in the trinity, you should stay away of those false teachings ,it really spins your head the trinity message does not fit the scriptures of God , Pierre

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you should stay away of those false teachings ,it really spins your head

Pierre,

I am waiting for you to spin it a bit for me!!

You yourself are in full spin,therefore since you have A:

Spirit,Soul,and a dead body.

[terraricca]

Charles

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When you say He wasn't there do you mean He was not in existence???

yes this is what i mean ;Jesus was created the very first of all creation ;before the planets ;before the universe ,before anything was created he was the first of God”s creation,

this is why he as the title “the son of God,” and he is in the true sens of the words,all other creation are done trough him but by God ,he was with God

this is what scriptures are saying ,

Pierre

[jammin]

terrarica,
it's just your conclusion. read that in the bible. im waiting terrarica. where did you read the first creation in col 1;15

[mikeboll64]

Quote (carmel @ Dec. 28 2011,00:43)

It is Hebrews 2:11,and Hebrews 2:13 Now I excpect you to define it yourself, in order to find the truth.

Heb 2
10 In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the author of their salvation perfect through suffering. 11 Both the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers. 12 He says,

  “I will declare your name to my brothers;
  in the presence of the congregation I will sing your praises.”

13 And again,

  “I will put my trust in him.”

  And again he says,

  “Here am I, and the children God has given me.”

Verse 10:  God, (ONE PERSON) made someone OTHER THAN God perfect through suffering.  God did not suffer; the other person did.

Verse 11:  Jesus and those who are made holy are of the same family, and therefore those who are made holy are brothers to Jesus.  NOT “brothers to God”.

Verse 12:  JESUS says he will declare the name of his God and sing the praises of his God.

Verse 13:  JESUS says he puts his trust in his God.  He also says, “Here I am, the the holy ones God has GIVEN me.”  (Remember?  God GAVE Jesus certain ones out of the world?)

Now, tell me again which part of this is supposed to say Jesus is God Almighty?  

[mikeboll64]

Quote (carmel @ Dec. 28 2011,13:39)

Mike, By saying that you agreed with me! you better define it,so we could understand each other

Charles,

Which will you be to God? A brother? Or a son? Which one does the Bible say?

And which will you be to Jesus? A brother? Or a son? Which one does the Bible say?

I don't think we agree here.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (mikeangel @ Dec. 28 2011,05:43)

Am I correct to assume that what you express in written form is exclusively you? “The word of Mikeboll”. Is it separate from you? Thanks, Mark

Hi Mark,

I hope things are good.

What I write is not “ME”. It is simply words that I thought and wrote. They represent what I think and feel, but they are not Mikeboll64.

For example, if I write the word “God”, I am not “God”. I am not that word that I wrote, but a person who wrote that word.

peace to you,
mike

[mikeangel]

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Quote (mikeangel @ Dec. 28 2011,05:43) Am I correct to assume that what you express in written form is exclusively you? “The word of Mikeboll”. Is it separate from you? Thanks, Mark Hi Mark, I hope things are good.   What I write is not “ME”.  It is simply words that I thought and wrote.  They represent what I think and feel, but they are not Mikeboll64. For example, if I write the word “God”, I am not “God”.  I am not that word that I wrote, but a person who wrote that word. peace to you, mike

I mean “bigger picture”. I mean that if you express yourself, and what you think, and everything about you. Is that the essance of you? Could anybody else speak in your place?

Also, if you said “I am God”, you are right, it would be blasphemy, and  a lie.  But if God said “When you see the Father, you have seen me”, it would be the word of God from God, as everything that came out of his mouth, that is documented in the gospels, is considered truth and scripture. His word is accepted by most as God's word. Like everything I read from you is your word, subject to error, because you are subject to human error, and fallable. Peace-Mark

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