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Quote (jammin @ Dec. 28 2011,02:29) Hebrews 1:8-10 Amplified Bible (AMP)
8But as to the Son, He says to Him, Your throne, O God, is forever and ever (to the ages of the ages), and the scepter of Your kingdom is a scepter of absolute righteousness (of justice and straightforwardness).
9You have loved righteousness [You have delighted in integrity, virtue, and uprightness in purpose, thought, and action] and You have hated lawlessness (injustice and iniquity). Therefore God, [even] Your God ([a]Godhead), has anointed You with the oil of exultant joy and gladness above and beyond Your companions.
10And [further], You, Lord, did lay the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the works of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
8But God said about his Son,
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever.
The scepter in your kingdom is a scepter for justice.
9You have loved what is right and hated what is wrong.
That is why God, your God,
anointed you, rather than your companions, with the oil of joy.”10God also said,
“Lord, in the beginning you laid the foundation of the earth.
With your own hands you made the heavens.christ laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the works of his hands.
dont you believe that terrarica? that's what the bible says.
1 Corinthians 8:6
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
6 For us there is only one God, and he is our Father. All things came from him, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ. All things were made through him, and we also have life through him.
christ is not created, but creator. PRAISE GOD!
JammiCol 1:13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,
Col 1:14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.The Supremacy of Christ
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
Col 1:21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior.
Col 1:22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—
Col 1:23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel.according to this Christ is the first creation, this is why he is called the SON
unless you take all the scriptures in the bible related to creation,the son,and the reason for God to let man live after his corruption you do not understand a thing,
Pierre
terrarica said: according to this Christ is the first creation, this is why he is called the SON
where did you see that??? hahahha where is the first creation there? i saw firstborn and not FIRST CREATION!
HAHAHAHAHA. terrarica is twisting the word of GOD.dont you see the sentence before col 1:15? it says
The Supremacy of Christ
hahahahaha. are you blind too terrarica??
it does not tell that christ is created by GOD! the context speaks about SUPREMACY OF CHRIST!
let me post the verse 15
Colossians 1:15
New Century Version (NCV)
15 No one can see God, but Jesus Christ is exactly like him. He ranks higher than everything that has been made.
see terrarica how clear it is. the firsborn in verse 15 of col means HE RANKS HIGHER THAN EVERYTHING!
PRAISE GOD!
now, where is the first creation in the verse terrarica??? give me a translation terrarica
ill wait hahahahah
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2011,14:25) Quote (jammin @ Dec. 25 2011,17:58) mike, GOD is not a throne. hahahaha.
your NWT is wrong. hahahahalet me post the NWT
HEBREWS 1:8
But with reference to the Son: “God is your throne forever and ever, and [the] scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.according to NWT, GOD is your throne means GOD is a throne!
Let me educate you ONCE AGAIN, jammin.First of all, Hebrews 1:8 is a quote of Psalms 45:6. This is the CEV for Ps 45:6,
6You are God, and you will rule forever as king. [a] Footnote [a] says:
Or ” God has made you king, and you will rule forever.”jammin, I have a copy of the CEV that I read from cover to cover last year. When I get home, I will post exactly what it says as a footnote, because the internet copies of the various translations are updated all the time, and I cannot find that footnote any longer on the net. But I'm quite sure it says, “Or: God is your throne forever and ever”. I could be mistaken though, so I'll double check. (And if I was mistaken, I'll surely admit it to you.)
But, in the meantime, check out
this site. I'll post some of what is said there:Heb. 1:8 and Psalm 45:6, “God is thy throne.”
“But with reference to the Son: 'God is your throne forever and ever, and [the] scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness'” The New World Translation.
In this particularly interesting verse, God is addressing the Son. The Greek construction of Hebrews 1:8 allows the text to be translated in two legitimate ways:
“God is your throne forever and ever….
and
“Thy Throne O God, is forever and ever…”In fact, the ASV, KJV, NIV, and NKJV all translated it as “Your throne, O God…”
When we look at the Hebrew, we see that there is no grammatical requirement for this translation, though it is considered to be the best translation by most translators. In and of itself, this is not conclusive because the context of this verse in Psalm 45 is dealing with a king which would make one wonder why he would be addressed as God.
jammin, knowing is half the battle. All I've done since you joined this site is try to give you ALL of the information from which you can then make your decision. But it seems you don't even WANT all of the info so that you can make an INFORMED decision. Instead, it seems that your mind has already been made up, no matter what the facts are. Is that the case, jammin?
Btw, you avoided my other point: Can God Almighty (which means “God MOST High”) possibly have a God of his own? Because the one in Hebrews 1:8 has a God of his own.
jammin,Do you acknowledge that Hebrews 1:8 and Ps 45:6, (the OT verse that Paul quoted in 1:8), can be translated TWO legitimate ways, like my source says? YES or NO?
Do you acknowledge that Ps 45:6 was written about an EARTHLY king, and so even if the translation is “Your throne, O god”, the “god” mentioned is NOT “God Almighty”? YES or NO?
Do you acknowledge that Heb 1:9 speaks about the God OF the previous “god” who is mentioned, and therefore PROVES that the first “god” mentioned cannot possibly be God Almighty, because God Almighty does not HAVE a God of his own? YES or NO?
These are all learning exercises for you, jammin. You are either able to learn, or you're not.
Now, about Job 1:6,
NET Bible ©
Now the day came when 2 the sons of God 3 came to present themselves before 4 the Lord – and Satan 5 also arrived among them.Footnote #5 says:
The word means “adversary” or with the article “the adversary” – here the superhuman adversary or Satan. The word with the article means that the meaning of the word should receive prominence.He came among the angels at this time because he is one of them and has access among them. Even though fallen, Satan has yet to be cast down completely (see Rev 12).
This is also how I understand it, jammin. Satan IS one of the sons of God he came AMONG. Otherwise, like in YOUR understanding, God invited all His “good angels” to gather, and for some odd reason, also invited His enemy among them.
The word “among” signifies for me that Satan was one OF the sons of God.
Now, if YOU don't see it that way, you are welcome to YOUR understanding. But the whole discussion is not that important to me in the first place, okay?
We have bigger fish to fry, jammin. I'm awaiting YOUR scripture in which Jesus himself claims to be God Almighty. Can you “read a scripture”? Or are you just “making conclusions”?
I'm also awaiting your answer to: Can God Almighty have a God of His own?
Quote (jammin @ Dec. 27 2011,19:29) Hebrews 1:8-10 Amplified Bible (AMP)
8But as to the Son, He says to Him, Your throne, O God, is forever and ever (to the ages of the ages), and the scepter of Your kingdom is a scepter of absolute righteousness (of justice and straightforwardness).
9You have loved righteousness [You have delighted in integrity, virtue, and uprightness in purpose, thought, and action] and You have hated lawlessness (injustice and iniquity). Therefore God, [even] Your God ([a]Godhead), has anointed You with the oil of exultant joy and gladness above and beyond Your companions.
10And [further], You, Lord, did lay the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the works of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
8But God said about his Son,
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever.
The scepter in your kingdom is a scepter for justice.
9You have loved what is right and hated what is wrong.
That is why God, your God,
anointed you, rather than your companions, with the oil of joy.”10God also said,
“Lord, in the beginning you laid the foundation of the earth.
With your own hands you made the heavens.christ laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the works of his hands.
dont you believe that terrarica? that's what the bible says.
1 Corinthians 8:6
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
6 For us there is only one God, and he is our Father. All things came from him, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ. All things were made through him, and we also have life through him.
christ is not created, but creator. PRAISE GOD!
Quote christ laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the works of his hands. dont you believe that terrarica? that's what the bible says.
Jammin,
Now read this pieace of scripture which is quite assertive regarding Jesus is God in flesh:
Hebrews 1:11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: ( SPIRIT)for which cause he is not ashamed to call them BRETHREN,
13And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the CHILDREN which God hath given me.
In the first one 1:11 it is obvious that it is referring to Jesus,
Jesus called them BRETHREN THEREFORE SETTLED
while in the second one 1:13 He doesn't call them brethren to signify that it is a reference to the Father, but CHILDREN,therefore since they are the children they are of God THE FATHER NOT OF JESUS
therefore the Father is praising His Son Jesus as God in flesh as a human being,not as a spirit being.
let's write it to give more light.
And again, I will put my trust in him.( Jesus) SINCE HE SAVED THEM THROUGH HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS,
And again, Behold I( God AS A SPIRIT BEING) and the CHILDREN which God ( Jesus AS MAN /GOD)hath given me.
MIKE,TERARICCA,AND ALL THE JWs ARE IN DILEMMA AND CONFUSED SINCE THEY DENY THAT JESUS IS GOD IN FLESH
MIKE EXCUSES ARE ALWAYS THE SAME LIKE WHEN HE ASKED:
HOW CAN GOD SAYS TO HIS SON MY GOD.
OBVIOUS BECAUSE THE FATHER IS A SPIRITUAL GOD.
AND THE SON IS THE CARNAL GOD
John 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
In John here it is clear:
Now let’s reflect on these words:ALL MINE, obvious he was referring to the human state, since the Father is a spirit being. ARE YOURS, obvious to experience since God couldn’t before as a spirit being!! and YOURS regarding spiritual state ARE MINE as a human being.
So through Jesus, since He was human, and had His Father’s spirit within Him to be equal with God, the Father could experience all what Jesus as a human being experienced.
Not only that, but Jesus from the other hand, a human being, could also experience what His Father experienced in God as a spirit being, which includes all His attributes. The last sentence it says : “I am glorified in them.”
How you might ask??
Simple no?
Since Jesus as a human being as I said experienced God attributes, and glorified the Father, the apostles, and whoever believe in Jesus through the apostles, will also achieve the same power, and therefore these individuals will glorify both Jesus and God.
We through Jesus Christ are able to accomplish any miracle which is God’s attributes, and through that miracle Jesus would be glorified.
“I am glorified in them.” Only faith as big as a mustard seed all we require. Like all those saints who experienced it and achieved them. But today who has this kind of faith??
11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very WORKS’ SAKE.
12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also;
and greater works than these shall he do. It’s up to us to live the Gospel perfectly, and perform!!!
peace and love in Jesus
Charles
.Hey Charles,
What did you think when you found out the dude that YOUR source quoted about John 1:1 is one of the many Trinitarian scholars who acknowledge THREE possible translations of 1:1c?
Here is his quote:
“If a translation were a matter of substituting words, a possible translation of [QEOS EN hO LOGOS]; would be, “The Word was a god“. As a word-for-word translation it cannot be faulted.“ C. H. DoddQuote (carmel @ Dec. 27 2011,09:07) MIKE,TERARICCA,AND ALL THE JWs ARE IN DILEMMA AND CONFUSED SINCE THEY DENY THAT JESUS IS GOD IN FLESH
Who told you that rubbish, Charles? Jesus said he was the SON OF God. God said that Jesus was the SON OF God. All the NT writers said Jesus was the SON OF God.Yet somehow, certain people still believe that he IS the God he is the Son OF.
Is the SON OF the President also the President he is the SON OF? Of course not. So why then would the SON OF God also BE the God he is the SON OF?
Stick to what the scriptures teach, Charles.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2011,01:31) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2011,14:25) Quote (jammin @ Dec. 25 2011,17:58) mike, GOD is not a throne. hahahaha.
your NWT is wrong. hahahahalet me post the NWT
HEBREWS 1:8
But with reference to the Son: “God is your throne forever and ever, and [the] scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.according to NWT, GOD is your throne means GOD is a throne!
Let me educate you ONCE AGAIN, jammin.First of all, Hebrews 1:8 is a quote of Psalms 45:6. This is the CEV for Ps 45:6,
6You are God, and you will rule forever as king. [a] Footnote [a] says:
Or ” God has made you king, and you will rule forever.”jammin, I have a copy of the CEV that I read from cover to cover last year. When I get home, I will post exactly what it says as a footnote, because the internet copies of the various translations are updated all the time, and I cannot find that footnote any longer on the net. But I'm quite sure it says, “Or: God is your throne forever and ever”. I could be mistaken though, so I'll double check. (And if I was mistaken, I'll surely admit it to you.)
But, in the meantime, check out
this site. I'll post some of what is said there:Heb. 1:8 and Psalm 45:6, “God is thy throne.”
“But with reference to the Son: 'God is your throne forever and ever, and [the] scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness'” The New World Translation.
In this particularly interesting verse, God is addressing the Son. The Greek construction of Hebrews 1:8 allows the text to be translated in two legitimate ways:
“God is your throne forever and ever….
and
“Thy Throne O God, is forever and ever…”In fact, the ASV, KJV, NIV, and NKJV all translated it as “Your throne, O God…”
When we look at the Hebrew, we see that there is no grammatical requirement for this translation, though it is considered to be the best translation by most translators. In and of itself, this is not conclusive because the context of this verse in Psalm 45 is dealing with a king which would make one wonder why he would be addressed as God.
jammin, knowing is half the battle. All I've done since you joined this site is try to give you ALL of the information from which you can then make your decision. But it seems you don't even WANT all of the info so that you can make an INFORMED decision. Instead, it seems that your mind has already been made up, no matter what the facts are. Is that the case, jammin?
Btw, you avoided my other point: Can God Almighty (which means “God MOST High”) possibly have a God of his own? Because the one in Hebrews 1:8 has a God of his own.
jammin,Do you acknowledge that Hebrews 1:8 and Ps 45:6, (the OT verse that Paul quoted in 1:8), can be translated TWO legitimate ways, like my source says? YES or NO?
Do you acknowledge that Ps 45:6 was written about an EARTHLY king, and so even if the translation is “Your throne, O god”, the “god” mentioned is NOT “God Almighty”? YES or NO?
Do you acknowledge that Heb 1:9 speaks about the God OF the previous “god” who is mentioned, and therefore PROVES that the first “god” mentioned cannot possibly be God Almighty, because God Almighty does not HAVE a God of his own? YES or NO?
These are all learning exercises for you, jammin. You are either able to learn, or you're not.
Now, about Job 1:6,
NET Bible ©
Now the day came when 2 the sons of God 3 came to present themselves before 4 the Lord – and Satan 5 also arrived among them.Footnote #5 says:
The word means “adversary” or with the article “the adversary” – here the superhuman adversary or Satan. The word with the article means that the meaning of the word should receive prominence.He came among the angels at this time because he is one of them and has access among them. Even though fallen, Satan has yet to be cast down completely (see Rev 12).
This is also how I understand it, jammin. Satan IS one of the sons of God he came AMONG. Otherwise, like in YOUR understanding, God invited all His “good angels” to gather, and for some odd reason, also invited His enemy among them.
The word “among” signifies for me that Satan was one OF the sons of God.
Now, if YOU don't see it that way, you are welcome to YOUR understanding. But the whole discussion is not that important to me in the first place, okay?
We have bigger fish to fry, jammin. I'm awaiting YOUR scripture in which Jesus himself claims to be God Almighty. Can you “read a scripture”? Or are you just “making conclusions”?
I'm also awaiting your answer to: Can God Almighty have a God of His own?
Quote Can God Almighty have a God of His own? Mike,
Almighty God is only a spiritual God ,
His Son Glorified through the spirit from the Father, is Almighty God in both flesh from the Son and spirit from the Father.
Is this complicated Mike??
Almighty God never established Himself since He is a spiritual being for the simple reason that all His enemies are also spiritual, and humans could never distinguish which is which.
Hebrews 8:11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
, for all shall know me
Got it Mike He was unknown to humans:obvious among so many gods, all spirits. But through Jesus He became unique GOD IN HUMAN FLESH AND SPIRIT IN ONE BEING JESUS CHRIST
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ Dec. 27 2011,09:26) Mike, Almighty God is only a spiritual God ,
His Son Glorified through the spirit from the Father, is Almighty God in both flesh from the Son and spirit from the Father.
Is this complicated Mike??
Not so much “complicated”. More like “unscriptural nonsense”.Charles, we have but ONE God. That ONE God has ONE begotten Son. Which one is Jesus? That ONE God, or the begotten Son OF that ONE God? Read the scriptures for the answer.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2011,02:24) Quote (carmel @ Dec. 27 2011,09:07) MIKE,TERARICCA,AND ALL THE JWs ARE IN DILEMMA AND CONFUSED SINCE THEY DENY THAT JESUS IS GOD IN FLESH
Who told you that rubbish, Charles? Jesus said he was the SON OF God. God said that Jesus was the SON OF God. All the NT writers said Jesus was the SON OF God.Yet somehow, certain people still believe that he IS the God he is the Son OF.
Is the SON OF the President also the President he is the SON OF? Of course not. So why then would the SON OF God also BE the God he is the SON OF?
Stick to what the scriptures teach, Charles.
Quote Who told you that rubbish, Charles? Jesus said he was the SON OF God. Mike
Scripture:
read.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30I and my Father are one. OK ONE GOD
31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, MAKE THYSELF GOD
OK MIKE JESUS HIMSELF DECLARED THAT HE IS GOD.
NOW DON'T TELL ME THAT YOU ARE MORE CLEVER THEN THE PHARISEES.
SO FROM A TREE ,TREE COMES OUT
FROM A DOG ,DOG COMES OUT
FROM A HUMAN, HUMAN COMES OUT
FROM GOD, GOD COMES OUT.
FOR YOU MIKE GOD IS NOT EVEN AS CAPABLE AS THE TREE,DOG,AND HUMAN HE CREATED.
Therefore MIKE
nothing is more understandable than wanting to ascertain the almighty Creator and yet nothing is more impossible…. Human intellect is not sufficient by far to fathom God, that is, to put His Being and Becoming into any kind of form which seems acceptable to the human mind.
This is a hopeless undertaking which could never produce a satisfactory result, for He was, He is…. and He will be an inscrutable Spirit Who harbours within Himself everything that can be found in the entire universe…. to Whom creation is subordinate because it originated from Him…. and Who is the beginning and the end of all things…. the Spirit of Love from eternity to eternity….
PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS
CHARLES
Quote (carmel @ Dec. 27 2011,09:41) OK MIKE JESUS HIMSELF DECLARED THAT HE IS GOD.
Where? Surely not in any scripture you just posted. Show me the exact words where Jesus claimed to be God Almighty Himself.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2011,02:24) Quote (carmel @ Dec. 27 2011,09:07) MIKE,TERARICCA,AND ALL THE JWs ARE IN DILEMMA AND CONFUSED SINCE THEY DENY THAT JESUS IS GOD IN FLESH
Who told you that rubbish, Charles? Jesus said he was the SON OF God. God said that Jesus was the SON OF God. All the NT writers said Jesus was the SON OF God.Yet somehow, certain people still believe that he IS the God he is the Son OF.
Is the SON OF the President also the President he is the SON OF? Of course not. So why then would the SON OF God also BE the God he is the SON OF?
Stick to what the scriptures teach, Charles.
Quote Yet somehow, certain people still believe that he IS the God he is the Son OF. Mike
The majority of all christians in existance believe that Jesus is God in Flesh.
Now I would appreciate it to give me the figure!!
I don't know the figure, Charles. Is it important to you? Do you suppose that more people make it scriptural?
Face it Charles, there are relatively few people like us, who actually read and know the scriptures and discuss them at any length. The majority of Christians show up to church once a week to “do their penance”, and blindly believe whatever their preacher tells them to believe – without even once opening the Bible to see for themselves.
It is a typical case of the blind leading the blind.
Quote (jammin @ Dec. 28 2011,07:17) terrarica said: according to this Christ is the first creation, this is why he is called the SON where did you see that??? hahahha where is the first creation there? i saw firstborn and not FIRST CREATION!
HAHAHAHAHA. terrarica is twisting the word of GOD.dont you see the sentence before col 1:15? it says
The Supremacy of Christ
hahahahaha. are you blind too terrarica??
it does not tell that christ is created by GOD! the context speaks about SUPREMACY OF CHRIST!
let me post the verse 15
Colossians 1:15
New Century Version (NCV)
15 No one can see God, but Jesus Christ is exactly like him. He ranks higher than everything that has been made.
see terrarica how clear it is. the firsborn in verse 15 of col means HE RANKS HIGHER THAN EVERYTHING!
PRAISE GOD!
now, where is the first creation in the verse terrarica??? give me a translation terrarica
ill wait hahahahah
Jammiare you sure that you older than 16 ??
do you think that I am blind and then I still would have brail,
there is on this site a well documented topic ,”preexistance of Christ “
there is phase one and two ,go their and learn ,then come back and tell me what you have learned ,
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2011,10:04) Jammi are you sure that you older than 16 ??
I was guessing about 14.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2011,03:03) I don't know the figure, Charles. Is it important to you? Do you suppose that more people make it scriptural? Face it Charles, there are relatively few people like us, who actually read and know the scriptures and discuss them at any length. The majority of Christians show up to church once a week to “do their penance”, and blindly believe whatever their preacher tells them to believe – without even once opening the Bible to see for themselves.
It is a typical case of the blind leading the blind.
Quote Is it important to you? Do you suppose that more people make it scriptural? Mike
Very important.
Did you ever made a reaserch when Jesus was believed to be God.Historically proved!
I know,and I won't tell you for the simple reason that I feel it is within your responsibility to keep on searching for truth not with your head sunk in the sand though,instead of open minded.
I quoted enough scriptures to proof that Jesus is God in flesh.
but for you there is always an excuse to protect your blind belief.
I'm still waiting for a scripture that teaches Jesus as God Almighty.
Why not post just ONE scripture, Charles. Then we can see if it really says what you claim it does.
After all, that is the reason I started this thread in the first place – to refute your many scriptures from the first page of this thread, one at a time.
I had refuted the first three before things got off track and moved to more and more different subjects.
Would you like me to continue with number 4 now?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2011,02:40) Quote (carmel @ Dec. 27 2011,09:26) Mike, Almighty God is only a spiritual God ,
His Son Glorified through the spirit from the Father, is Almighty God in both flesh from the Son and spirit from the Father.
Is this complicated Mike??
Not so much “complicated”. More like “unscriptural nonsense”.Charles, we have but ONE God. That ONE God has ONE begotten Son. Which one is Jesus? That ONE God, or the begotten Son OF that ONE God? Read the scriptures for the answer.
Quote Not so much “complicated”. More like “unscriptural nonsense”. Mike,
The Son of God only while He was on earth.
Jesus had within Him the spirit of the Father without a limit.
Jesus therefore never had a spirit of His own when He was born, but of the Father.
Jesus spirit was consumed into souls,and the only thing He had of His own was His soul from His own spirit.
all these souls will eventually form Jesus body in heaven in order for the Father to ebide within for eternity.
I am in the Father and the Father is in me!!
Glorify your Son so your son will glorify you!!
God the Father will for the very first time will possess a body built through Jesus spirit AS SOULS , His house, His church united in one body in the universe through all His creatures of both visible and invisible.
This is all scriptural MIke in Paul's letters.
Jesus as a human died and His flesh was transformed through the power from the Father and became one body between the Father spirit,and Jesus body for eternity.
The only unique spiritual being to achieve this unfathomable process,and made Him the most powerfull spirit in heaven and earth.
My question Mike
CAN THIS BEING BE ANY OTHER BEING IF NOT THE ALMIGHTY GOD HIMSELF.
SINCE ALL IN HIM,ALL THROUGH HIM,AND ALL FOR HIM???
Peace and love in Jesus the only true GOD
Charles
Quote (carmel @ Dec. 27 2011,10:58) CAN THIS BEING BE ANY OTHER BEING IF NOT THE ALMIGHTY GOD HIMSELF.
Not only can it be……………but it IS.Jesus is the Son OF God Almighty, Charles. Can't you understand that?
We have but ONE God, and that ONE God has ONE begotten Son.
Which one is Jesus, Charles? Our one God? Or the only begotten Son OF our one God? Which one does scripture say?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2011,03:38) I'm still waiting for a scripture that teaches Jesus as God Almighty. Why not post just ONE scripture, Charles. Then we can see if it really says what you claim it does.
After all, that is the reason I started this thread in the first place – to refute your many scriptures from the first page of this thread, one at a time.
I had refuted the first three before things got off track and moved to more and more different subjects.
Would you like me to continue with number 4 now?
Quote I'm still waiting for a scripture that teaches Jesus as God Almighty.
Mike,
Explain this then if it is not as I defined it!!
Now read this pieace of scripture which is quite assertive regarding Jesus is God in flesh:
Hebrews 1:11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: ( SPIRIT)for which cause he is not ashamed to call them BRETHREN,
13And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the CHILDREN which God hath given me.
In the first one 1:11 it is obvious that it is referring to Jesus,
Jesus called them BRETHREN THEREFORE SETTLED
while in the second one 1:13 He doesn't call them brethren to signify that it is a reference to the Father, but CHILDREN,therefore since they are the children they are of God THE FATHER NOT OF JESUS
therefore the Father is praising His Son Jesus as God in flesh as a human being,not as a spirit being.
let's write it to give more light.
And again, I will put my trust in him.( Jesus) SINCE HE SAVED THEM THROUGH HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS,
And again, Behold I( God AS A SPIRIT BEING) and the CHILDREN which God ( Jesus AS MAN /GOD)hath given me.
Quote (carmel @ Dec. 27 2011,11:04) In the first one 1:11 it is obvious that it is referring to Jesus, Jesus called them BRETHREN THEREFORE SETTLED
while in the second one 1:13 He doesn't call them brethren to signify that it is a reference to the Father, but CHILDREN,therefore since they are the children they are of God THE FATHER NOT OF JESUS
Charles,You have inadvertently hit upon one of the major proofs that Jesus is NOT God Almighty.
We are to be BROTHERS to Jesus, and SONS to God.
Do you know of any scripture that says we will be BROTHERS to God Almighty? If not, then Jesus can't possibly be God Almighty, because we will be his brothers, and God's sons.
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