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Quote (jammin @ Dec. 26 2011,18:15) is satan divine?
You tell me. He is called “god” by both Jehovah and Paul. Does that make him “diety”? Does that make him “divine”?And more importantly, do either of those things really matter? We are trying to figure out if Satan is a son of God. Job 1 AND 2 say “YES”. YOU say “NO”. Hmmmm…………who to believe, you or scripture?
do not jump to psalm 45. it's an another topic.
let the readers know how you twist the word of GOD.
read a translation in job 1:6 that the fallen angels are also sons of GOD.
can you read a translation or not??? if you cant read A translation then admit that it is only your conclusion.
read a translation mike. ill wait hahahahahaha
you used job 1:6 to refer also to the fallen angels as sons of GOD. then read a translation mike. ill wait hahahahah
mike: You tell me. He is called “god” by both Jehovah and Paul. Does that make him “diety”? Does that make him “divine”?
And more importantly, do either of those things really matter? We are trying to figure out if Satan is a son of God. Job 1 AND 2 say “YES”. YOU say “NO”. Hmmmm…………who to believe, you or scripture?
me: that's another topic mike.
read a translation mike that FALLEN ANGELS ARE ALSO SONS OF GOD IN JOB 1:6
CAN YOU READ A TRANSLATION OR NOT?
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
STOP MAKING EXCUSES Quote (jammin @ Dec. 26 2011,18:22) me: so you also believe that satan is a fallen angel. hahahahaha. and he is not part of the heavenly court. then why you are insisting that the sons of GOD in job 1:6 also referred to the fallen angels
BECAUSE HE WASN'T YET A FALLEN ANGEL AT THIS TIME. Don't you listen, jammin?Read Ezekiel 28:12-17. I'm not convinced, but many scholars think this passage is about Satan. Pay attention to verse 15 in particular, and tell me what you think? Was Satan ALWAYS “evil”? Was he ALWAYS a “fallen angel”?
And once again, does it really even matter? Do you have a scripture saying that fallen angels are NO LONGER “sons of God”?
Here's what we know:
1. Satan WAS at one time a “son of God”.
2. You think that he is no more, but have no proof of it.End of story.
Quote (jammin @ Dec. 26 2011,18:28) read a translation mike that FALLEN ANGELS ARE ALSO SONS OF GOD IN JOB 1:6
CAN YOU READ A TRANSLATION OR NOT? HAHAHAHAHAHAH
STOP MAKING EXCUSES
Can YOU “read me a translation” that says FALLEN ANGELS ARE NO LONGER SONS OF GOD?CAN YOU READ A TRANSLATION OR NOT?
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
STOP MAKING EXCUSES mike stop making excuses. i just want you to read a verse in job 1:6.
i read a verse that the sons of GOD in job 1:6 refers to the divine angels. these angels are members of the heavenly court. you said satan is fallen angel. he is not a member anymore of the heavenly court.now, read your translation that the fallen angels are also called sons of GOD
ill wait hahahahahaLET THE READERS KNOW HOW YOU TWIST THE WORD OF GOD.
mike said fallen angels are also SONS OF GOD! hahahaha
mike:Can YOU “read me a translation” that says FALLEN ANGELS ARE NO LONGER SONS OF GOD?
CAN YOU READ A TRANSLATION OR NOT?
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
STOP MAKING EXCUSES me: i read it to you mike, you will accept that you are a false teacher mike??? hahahahahahah
Quote (carmel @ Dec. 27 2011,00:28) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 25 2011,06:16) Quote (carmel @ Dec. 25 2011,00:32) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2011,13:15) charles Pierre,
I will start from the end!
Explain to me how Jesus became the first born of all and before all? YES ACCORDING TO PAUL COL;1;13-15
He was born of whom,if there were no one?? HE WAS CREATED BY GOD HIMSELF
To be born, there must have been some one before Him. NO??THERE WAS GOD THE FATHER HE ALWAYS WAS
Who is this someone who was born of?? ARE YOU REFERRING TO JESUS ? BEING BORN OF MARIE AND WERE GOD IS HIS FATHER '
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote He was born of whom,if there were no one?? HE WAS CREATED BY GOD HIMSELF I asked born of, not created.
Scripture is clear the first born, not the first created!!
Find in scripture where it is clear that “Jesus was created”.
CharlesI do not care for wording ;
scriptures are saying that Christ was the first of God's creation or born or bring forth, or ………………..
the fact is Christ at one point was not their anywhere ,so God made him to be ,
Pierre
Quote the fact is Christ at one point was not their anywhere ,so God made him to be , Pierre,
Is this the kind of love you have for the one who gave you life???
Doesn't interest you to know the truth abouth Him???
Don't you care to know which road Jesus' Spirit took in order to appreciate more what He had to go through to give you a new birth through the sacrification of His own spirit, in order to give you a speck from His Spirit as your soul to abide within you??
And also to become like one of us in every sense except sin???
you said :at one point was not there anywhere?
?Explain through scriptures the meaning of the above.
Which point??
which moment??
Keep in mind that Jesus is the beginning of the first ever creation.
To put it clear Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit from the Father,created the first ever Angel whoever may be .
When therefore Jesus wasn't there at one point???
When you say He wasn't there do you mean He was not in existence???
Or He was not functioning.
ARE YOU THERE YOURSELF NOW??
ARE YOU IN YOUR MIND NOW??
ARE YOU WITHIN YOU UNDERSTANDING ALTHOUGH YOU EXIST???
peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Charlesif you try to tell me that Christ his God the creator ,or the other way around ,forget it I do not believe in the trinity,
you should stay away of those false teachings ,it really spins your head
the trinity message does not fit the scriptures of God ,
Pierre
Quote (jammin @ Dec. 27 2011,19:01) mike said fallen angels are also SONS OF GOD! hahahaha mike:Can YOU “read me a translation” that says FALLEN ANGELS ARE NO LONGER SONS OF GOD?
CAN YOU READ A TRANSLATION OR NOT?
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
STOP MAKING EXCUSES me: i read it to you mike, you will accept that you are a false teacher mike??? hahahahahahah
Jammiwhen you are a good boy to your father then you are is SON ,right ?
now when you are a bad boy ,you are no longer your father's SON,right?
tell me where did you when to school ,so I would not send my kids there
Pierre
– the tempter (Matthew 4:3, 1 Thessalonions 3:5)
– the evil one (Matthew 13:28, 39)
– a murderer (John 8:44)
– a liar (John 8:44)
– the father of lies (John 8:44)
– the god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4)
– prince of the power of the air (Ephesians 2:2)
– the adversary (1 Peter 5:8)
– the deceiver of the whole world (Revelation 12:9)
– the great dragon (Revelation 12:9)
– the ancient serpent (Revelation 12:9)
– the accuser of our brethren (Revelation 12:10)that is satan. do GOD have son like this??? do you think GOD will be his father??
I DO NOT NEED YOUR OWN EXPLANATION. i need GOD's word. read the verse terrarica. in the bible, GOD's son will inherit the kingdom of GOD. those who will not obey GOD are not called sons of GOD. they will be thrown into the lake of FIRE! THEIR FATHER IS NOT GOD BUT THE DEVIL! JOHN 8:44
now, tell where did you study?? i will send my children there hahahahaha
now, tell where did you study?? i will send my children there hahahahaha
i cant edit my post.
what i mean is,
i will NOT SEND MY CHILDREN TO THE SCHOOL WHERE YOU STUDIED HAHAHAHAHAmike and terrarica,
read you translation that job 1:6 is referring ALSO to the fallen angels as the sons of GOD.i will wait,
hahahahahaha Quote (jammin @ Dec. 27 2011,14:40) – the tempter (Matthew 4:3, 1 Thessalonions 3:5)
– the evil one (Matthew 13:28, 39)
– a murderer (John 8:44)
– a liar (John 8:44)
– the father of lies (John 8:44)
– the god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4)
– prince of the power of the air (Ephesians 2:2)
– the adversary (1 Peter 5:8)
– the deceiver of the whole world (Revelation 12:9)
– the great dragon (Revelation 12:9)
– the ancient serpent (Revelation 12:9)
– the accuser of our brethren (Revelation 12:10)that is satan. do GOD have son like this??? do you think GOD will be his father??
I DO NOT NEED YOUR OWN EXPLANATION. i need GOD's word. read the verse terrarica. in the bible, GOD's son will inherit the kingdom of GOD. those who will not obey GOD are not called sons of GOD. they will be thrown into the lake of FIRE! THEIR FATHER IS NOT GOD BUT THE DEVIL! JOHN 8:44
now, tell where did you study?? i will send my children there hahahahaha
Quote that is satan. do GOD have son like this??? do you think GOD will be his father?? But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Jammin,
The above is also confirming who would be SONS OF GOD.
PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS
CHARLES
Quote (jammin @ Dec. 27 2011,21:40) – the tempter (Matthew 4:3, 1 Thessalonions 3:5)
– the evil one (Matthew 13:28, 39)
– a murderer (John 8:44)
– a liar (John 8:44)
– the father of lies (John 8:44)
– the god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4)
– prince of the power of the air (Ephesians 2:2)
– the adversary (1 Peter 5:8)
– the deceiver of the whole world (Revelation 12:9)
– the great dragon (Revelation 12:9)
– the ancient serpent (Revelation 12:9)
– the accuser of our brethren (Revelation 12:10)that is satan. do GOD have son like this??? do you think GOD will be his father??
I DO NOT NEED YOUR OWN EXPLANATION. i need GOD's word. read the verse terrarica. in the bible, GOD's son will inherit the kingdom of GOD. those who will not obey GOD are not called sons of GOD. they will be thrown into the lake of FIRE! THEIR FATHER IS NOT GOD BUT THE DEVIL! JOHN 8:44
now, tell where did you study?? i will send my children there hahahahaha
Jammihere it is;;
make a simple guess of hom it is that they talk about;;
Eze 28:12 “Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says:
“ ‘You were the model of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
Eze 28:13 You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
ruby, topaz and emerald,
chrysolite, onyx and jasper,
sapphire, turquoise and beryl.
Your settings and mountings were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.
Eze 28:14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
Eze 28:15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
Eze 28:16 Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, O guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
Eze 28:17 Your heart became proud
on account of your beauty,
and you corrupted your wisdom
because of your splendor.
So I threw you to the earth;
I made a spectacle of you before kings.
Eze 28:18 By your many sins and dishonest trade
you have desecrated your sanctuaries.
So I made a fire come out from you,
and it consumed you,
and I reduced you to ashes on the ground
in the sight of all who were watching.
Eze 28:19 All the nations who knew you
are appalled at you;
you have come to a horrible end
and will be no more.if you want now you can read Revelation again and see who is the whore.
Pierre
yes carmel,
those who believe and WILL OBEYEasy-to-Read Version (ERV)
John 8
31 So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you continue to accept and obey my teaching, you are really my followers. 32 You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”what i am saying here is
sons of GOD believe and obey GOD's word.the verse in job talks about divine beings. satan is not one of them. satan and his angels will be thrown into the lake of fire. sons of GOD WILL NOT BE THROWN INTO THE LAKE FIRE. THOSE WILL BE THROWN INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE ARE NOT SONS OF GOD!
revelation 20:9
I saw Satan’s army march across the earth and gather around the camp of God’s people and the city that God loves. But fire came down from heaven and destroyed Satan’s army. 10 And he (the one who tricked these people) was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur with the beast and the false prophet. There they would be tortured day and night forever and ever.in the bible, satan and his angels will be into the fire that burns forever. BUT THE SONS OF GOD WILL BE IN HIS KINGDOM!
Matthew 25:41New Century Version (NCV)
41 “Then the King will say to those on his left, 'Go away from me. You will be punished. Go into the fire that burns forever that was prepared for the devil and his angels.
the kingdom will inherit by the sons of GOD.
Matthew 25:34New Century Version (NCV)
34 “Then the King will say to the people on his right, 'Come, my Father has given you his blessing. Receive the kingdom God has prepared for you since the world was made.
well, mike and terrarica are insisting that satan is called son of GOD
mike posted the job 1:6 but the sons of GOD there is not talking about satan as son of GOD BUT TO THE DIVINE ANGELS!maybe someday mike can give a translation in job 1:6 that tells that the sons of GOD there is also referring to satan and his fallen angels.
hahahahahah
terrarica,
you are using ezekiel 28
that's a different topic. it's a poetic language. you cant just make conclusions.so terrarica, for you satan is a son of GOD?
those who disobeys GOD called sons of GOD?? who taught you that! hahahahaha
so a liar is a son of GOD? hahahahaha
satan is a liar hahahahahahajesus told that their father is the devil! NOT GOD! john 8:44
this is elementary stuff mike..hahahahaha
am i going to believe you terrarica or JESUS??
of course ill believe what jesus said.hahahahahaha..
go back to grade school my friend and study well
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2011,13:24) Quote (carmel @ Dec. 27 2011,00:28) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 25 2011,06:16) Quote (carmel @ Dec. 25 2011,00:32) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 24 2011,13:15) charles Pierre,
I will start from the end!
Explain to me how Jesus became the first born of all and before all? YES ACCORDING TO PAUL COL;1;13-15
He was born of whom,if there were no one?? HE WAS CREATED BY GOD HIMSELF
To be born, there must have been some one before Him. NO??THERE WAS GOD THE FATHER HE ALWAYS WAS
Who is this someone who was born of?? ARE YOU REFERRING TO JESUS ? BEING BORN OF MARIE AND WERE GOD IS HIS FATHER '
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote He was born of whom,if there were no one?? HE WAS CREATED BY GOD HIMSELF I asked born of, not created.
Scripture is clear the first born, not the first created!!
Find in scripture where it is clear that “Jesus was created”.
CharlesI do not care for wording ;
scriptures are saying that Christ was the first of God's creation or born or bring forth, or ………………..
the fact is Christ at one point was not their anywhere ,so God made him to be ,
Pierre
Quote the fact is Christ at one point was not their anywhere ,so God made him to be , Pierre,
Is this the kind of love you have for the one who gave you life???
Doesn't interest you to know the truth abouth Him???
Don't you care to know which road Jesus' Spirit took in order to appreciate more what He had to go through to give you a new birth through the sacrification of His own spirit, in order to give you a speck from His Spirit as your soul to abide within you??
And also to become like one of us in every sense except sin???
you said :at one point was not there anywhere?
?Explain through scriptures the meaning of the above.
Which point??
which moment??
Keep in mind that Jesus is the beginning of the first ever creation.
To put it clear Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit from the Father,created the first ever Angel whoever may be .
When therefore Jesus wasn't there at one point???
When you say He wasn't there do you mean He was not in existence???
Or He was not functioning.
ARE YOU THERE YOURSELF NOW??
ARE YOU IN YOUR MIND NOW??
ARE YOU WITHIN YOU UNDERSTANDING ALTHOUGH YOU EXIST???
peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Charlesif you try to tell me that Christ his God the creator ,or the other way around ,forget it I do not believe in the trinity,
you should stay away of those false teachings ,it really spins your head
the trinity message does not fit the scriptures of God ,
Pierre
Quote if you try to tell me that Christ his God the creator ,or the other way around ,forget it I do not believe in the trinity, Pierre,
I would never commit myself, I keep on searching for the truth.
You are commited ,which is wrong when it is regarding GOD!
WE hardly can prove anything regarding spirits never mind God.
Therefore nothing is more understandable than wanting to ascertain the almighty Creator and yet nothing is more impossible….
Human intellect is not sufficient by far to fathom God, that is, to put His Being and Becoming into any kind of form which seems acceptable to the human mind.
This is a hopeless undertaking which could never produce a satisfactory result, for He was, He is…. and He will be an inscrutable Spirit Who harbours within Himself everything that can be found in the entire universe…. to Whom creation is subordinate because it originated from Him…. and Who is the beginning and the end of all things…. the Spirit of Love from eternity to eternity….
So I would suggest to keep on searching and never quit,I came on heaven net purposely to reccieve light and also give light,and like that we could be more positive.
Since scriptures have renderred that statement different we should reflect and pray to receive light from the Holy Spirit.
Also to day is more acceptable, that the evolution is true although still need more to discover,and if you reflect in respect of the evolution, it is more fit to accept THE FIRST BORN OF EVERY CREATURE.
According to evolution species go extinct and other species emerge but improved and modified till all the creatures were established.What evolution cannot prove how these species will eventually change because of the missing link.
Now read this and you will notice that a new evolution theory is emerging.
And as you can read the theory is more in favour of a sudden change rather then gradually regarding species.
Now this is as I said in support of the first born of every creature,for the simple reason that Genesis states that God created Adam by giving Him a soul and this is a sudden change in then already existed human like beast,but they were not humans since they never had a soul within them.
Now the soul is a speck from spirit of Jesus and Adam was the first born with a soul'
They were like flesh robots through Satan's evil nature.
This sudden change started from Genesis 1:3 and every process took thousands of years to achieve,also when the species emerge they would in a sudden change themselves,and this is what science will never discover, because it is through God by the spirit of Jesus in nature.
The Last time that this thing happened was when Jesus came back to life,and changed all humans from Satan owned bodies within them,to the Holy Spirit bodies.
this sudden cahnge will eventually happen again for the last time on earth according to Paul in
Corinthians 1:15:51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,A NEW THEORY OF EVOLUTION
I invite you to consider…
What if evolution were true, but it wasn’t quite like Darwin said?What if the
re were a new evolutionary model that could explain why fossils show almost no change for millions of years…. then suddenly the Cambrian Explosion: Thousands of new species emerge intact, virtually overnight.
What if this new theory pointed the way to new innovations in artificial intelligence and adaptive computer programs?What if “Evolution vs. Design” wasn’t an either/or proposition – but both+and?
What if, instead of arguing endlessly about fossils, we could precisely track evolutionary history with the precision of 1′s and 0′s?
What if science and faith were no longer at war?
All these things are not only possible, but a present reality.
I know that’s a pretty bold statement. But by now you’re probably used to that from me. Once again I invite you to relax, hear what I have to say, and consider the information that is presented. See if this makes sense for you.
I really do have a new theory of evolution.
Not only that, in future installments I will use this new theory of evolution to make predictions about what we will discover in the next 3-20 years.And: after today, you may never think about this question the same way again.
Darwin predicted that the fossil record would show a gradual and steady progression from simple to complex forms of life.
It’s now well known that what we see instead is long periods of stability interrupted by sudden leaps forward.
Stephen Jay Gould called this “punctuated equilibrium.” He was at a loss to explain exactly how this worked at the time. But today we have many clues pointing to the answer.
Darwin said that evolution is driven by random variation combined with natural selection.
Today I invite you to consider:
Darwin was half right.
And Darwin was half wrong.
Darwin was definitely right about natural selection.To be fair, being right about that is no Nobel Prize winning accomplishment. The weaklings die and the strong survive.
I think our cave man ancestors were familiar with that one.
(Rog hits Grog over the head with a rock and kills him, then they both get eaten by a hungry tiger. Survival of the fittest… nothing profound about that.)
Seriously, natural selection does not have any kind of creative power at all. All it does is kill of the runts.IF YOU WANT TO READ ALL OF IT THIS IS THE WEBSITE:
Hebrews 1:8-10
Amplified Bible (AMP)
8But as to the Son, He says to Him, Your throne, O God, is forever and ever (to the ages of the ages), and the scepter of Your kingdom is a scepter of absolute righteousness (of justice and straightforwardness).
9You have loved righteousness [You have delighted in integrity, virtue, and uprightness in purpose, thought, and action] and You have hated lawlessness (injustice and iniquity). Therefore God, [even] Your God ([a]Godhead), has anointed You with the oil of exultant joy and gladness above and beyond Your companions.
10And [further], You, Lord, did lay the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the works of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
8But God said about his Son,
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever.
The scepter in your kingdom is a scepter for justice.
9You have loved what is right and hated what is wrong.
That is why God, your God,
anointed you, rather than your companions, with the oil of joy.”10God also said,
“Lord, in the beginning you laid the foundation of the earth.
With your own hands you made the heavens.christ laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the works of his hands.
dont you believe that terrarica? that's what the bible says.
1 Corinthians 8:6
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
6 For us there is only one God, and he is our Father. All things came from him, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ. All things were made through him, and we also have life through him.
christ is not created, but creator. PRAISE GOD!
Charles
Quote Pierre, I would never commit myself, I keep on searching for the truth.
You are commited ,which is wrong when it is regarding GOD!
WE hardly can prove anything regarding spirits never mind God.
the only thing I can say to this is ;You never have come to know neither Christ or his father ,because it is by taking in our hearts his knowledge of truth that we come to know him both,and experience his presence ,no one can do this for you ,this is every person that has to do this for himself ,because we stand alone before the throne of the one that will judge us.
Pierre
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