Charles&#39; Jesus is God Proof Texts

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Quote (jammin @ Dec. 19 2011,19:02)

now you admit that u cant read a verse where satan called himself the son of GOD.

Oh, it has to be Satan himself calling himself a son of God? You won't take Moses' word for it?

Hmmmmm……..where did Jesus himself ever call himself “God”?

read a verse mike. do not make excuses.
you are just using your own opinion.
if you cant read a verse then no doubt that you cant prove what you are believing.

December 21, 2011 at 3:07 pm#268748

Ed J

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Hi Charles,

May I ask the circumstances surrounding how you becoming a Christian?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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May I ask the circumstances surrounding how you becoming a Christian?

I was born again through the internet while browsing

How about you???

peace and love in Jesus

Charles

Hi Charles, how old were you at the time?

My parents divorced when I was 5 or 6 years old,
raised by Mom though our Dad visited on Saturdays.

By the time I was 12, I realized that “right and wrong”
were subjective to how we feel (the line always moving).
Like an alcoholic believes he's never had too much to drink,
always wanting another drink no matter how drunk they are.
I realized (at age 12) my sense of right & wrong kept changing,
with the things I was doing and going to do ending me up in Jail.

One day walking in the woods I cried out to God: God if you're real
let me know where the line really is, and help me to adhere to it.
I have been a christian ever since that time, protected by God.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

December 22, 2011 at 1:29 am#268837

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now you admit that u cant read a verse where satan called himself the son of GOD.

Oh, it has to be Satan himself calling himself a son of God? You won't take Moses' word for it?

Hmmmmm……..where did Jesus himself ever call himself “God”?

read a verse mike. do not make excuses.
you are just using your own opinion.
if you cant read a verse then no doubt that you cant prove what you are believing.

First of all, jammin, all scripture is God-breathed, right? So, even if it was Moses telling the story of Job, it was God who was calling Satan one of His sons.

Secondly, you said: “if you cant read a verse then no doubt that you cant prove what you are believing”.

Are you saying if YOU can't produce a verse in which Jesus himself claims to be God Almighty, then YOU are unable to prove what YOU are believing?

December 22, 2011 at 1:54 am#268845

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i can read a verse about that

i am very sure that you cant read a verse that satan called himself the son of GOD.

December 22, 2011 at 2:11 am#268848

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Then go ahead and quote your verse where Jesus himself claimed to be God Almighty.

December 22, 2011 at 2:16 am#268850

Ed J

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Hi Mike,

John 14:7 is as close as they can get.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

December 22, 2011 at 2:20 am#268853

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 22 2011,12:11)

Then go ahead and quote your verse where Jesus himself claimed to be God Almighty.

READ FIRST YOUR WORD. then ill read it. but if you cant read that satan is claiming that he is the SON of GOD. then you are just again MAKING CONCLUSIONS

December 22, 2011 at 2:29 am#268855

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Ed, I'm getting the feeling that jammin is a 14 year old kid. He seems to like playing games instead of actually discussing scriptures.

He reminds me a lot of Dennison.

December 22, 2011 at 2:34 am#268857

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Then go ahead and quote your verse where Jesus himself claimed to be God Almighty.

READ FIRST YOUR WORD. then ill read it.

6 One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

There jammin, there is my scripture proving that Satan is one of the sons of God.

Now, where is YOUR scripture where Jesus claims to be God Almighty?

December 22, 2011 at 2:35 am#268858

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 22 2011,12:11)

Then go ahead and quote your verse where Jesus himself claimed to be God Almighty.

READ FIRST YOUR WORD. then ill read it.

6 One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

There jammin, there is my scripture proving that Satan is one of the sons of God.

Now, where is YOUR scripture where Jesus claims to be God Almighty?

December 22, 2011 at 2:36 am#268859

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 22 2011,12:11)

Then go ahead and quote your verse where Jesus himself claimed to be God Almighty.

READ FIRST YOUR WORD. then ill read it.

6 One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

There jammin, there is my scripture proving that Satan is one of the sons of God.

Now, where is YOUR scripture where Jesus claims to be God Almighty?

December 22, 2011 at 3:18 am#268870

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did satan said to himself i am the son of GOD??? read it carefully mike. are u blind??? or you dont know how to read?? maybe you need an eyeglasses

December 22, 2011 at 7:14 am#268898

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Then go ahead and quote your verse where Jesus himself claimed to be God Almighty.

READ FIRST YOUR WORD. then ill read it.

6 One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

There jammin, there is my scripture proving that Satan is one of the sons of God.

Now, where is YOUR scripture where Jesus claims to be God Almighty?

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Now, where is YOUR scripture where Jesus claims to be God Almighty?

Mike,

I don't blame you,because unless Jesus Himself gives you light you remain in pitch dark in your belief.

Mike When I showed you that Jesus was always eternal with the Father you denied it and said that it is man doctrine,you are with your head burried in the sand that Jesus is not GOD IN FLESH.

READ AGAIN!!

1John 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

1 John 5:20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

in 1:2 IT SAYS:and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

In 5:20 IT SAYS:This is the true God, and eternal life.

So if Jesus is the ETERNAL LIFE MANIFESTED,and the TRUE GOD IS ALSO ETERNAL LIFE!!

THEN JESUS IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.

THE OT GOD IS A CONFUSION AND NOT TRUE!!

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS CHRIST THE TRUE GOD

CHARLES

December 22, 2011 at 11:25 am#268910

terraricca

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 22 2011,12:36)

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 21 2011,19:20)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 22 2011,12:11)

Then go ahead and quote your verse where Jesus himself claimed to be God Almighty.

READ FIRST YOUR WORD. then ill read it.

6 One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

There jammin, there is my scripture proving that Satan is one of the sons of God.

Now, where is YOUR scripture where Jesus claims to be God Almighty?

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Now, where is YOUR scripture where Jesus claims to be God Almighty?

Mike,

I don't blame you,because unless Jesus Himself gives you light you remain in pitch dark in your belief.

Mike When I showed you that Jesus was always eternal with the Father you denied it and said that it is man doctrine,you are with your head burried in the sand that Jesus is not GOD IN FLESH.

READ AGAIN!!

1John 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

in 1:2 IT SAYS:and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

In 5:20 IT SAYS:This is the true God, and eternal life.

So if Jesus is the ETERNAL LIFE MANIFESTED,and the TRUE GOD IS ALSO ETERNAL LIFE!!

THEN JESUS IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.

THE OT GOD IS A CONFUSION AND NOT TRUE!!

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS CHRIST THE TRUE GOD

CHARLES

Charles

So the old testament God is not true and confusing

You must be joking right ?

December 22, 2011 at 5:22 pm#268971

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 22 2011,12:36)

jammin,Dec. wrote:

[quote=mikeboll64,Dec. 22 2011,12:11]Then go ahead and quote your verse where Jesus himself claimed to be God Almighty.

READ FIRST YOUR WORD. then ill read it.

6 One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

There jammin, there is my scripture proving that Satan is one of the sons of God.

Now, where is YOUR scripture where Jesus claims to be God Almighty?

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Now, where is YOUR scripture where Jesus claims to be God Almighty?

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So the old testament God is not true and confusing

Definitely without a single doubt!

If He wasn't He wouldn't have sent His Son to reveal Him .

When I said confusing I don't mean God Himself, but the title of god in the OT is confusing.

John 5:37And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

God the Father couldn't be heard since humans were the property of Satan.

ONLY THE SELECT were able to communicate with the angels in the name of God.

The fact that God was a spirit in a way He was handicapped for the simple reason that Satan and his allies were also spirits, and humans were not in the position to distinguish which is which, that's why there were many gods' voices.

Now you know the story of Job.

That is an example of how Satan was allowed by God, through the angels though, not directly from God, because God the Father was a mystery for Satan and his allies, they only knew that God the Father created them, and He was subject to Michael, since he was in total control and power in heaven in the name of God.

The only time God the Father spoke directly was in the NT when He spoke to confirm the presence of His Son.

Now Read Hebrews :

Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

at sundry times and in divers manners!!

Would you reflect on the above statement, which is clear that God never spoke Himself, but through His angels both good and evil, since the tree was of the knowledge of good and evil .

In fact both God and Satan were not to communicate humans, but through their respective angels in their name.

Satan and his allies where like the left hand of God, and the right hand of God was His son hidden as a spirit in all the FIRST BORN OF ALL THE FAMILIES OF THE GENEALOGY OF JESUS,AND ALSO OF ALL THE PROPHETS'

I tell you something else MOSES had the spirit of Jesus believe it or not, and the Angel Who spoke to him on the first day, was Satan's angel the god of the world, but it wasn't always the same angel. Moses spoke to two opposing angels one in the name of Satan and one in the name of God. the first ten commandments were given by Satan's angel, that's why Moses smashed them, and then the right angel from God gave him the second set of commandments.

Even to Abraham Satan spoke, when He asked him to kill his son as a sacrifice, in order to prevent the genealogy of the Son of God, and Ishmael maintain his title as the first born.

Read and reflect.

Genesis 22:1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, …………..

James 1:13Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

Through the above scriptures we can verify that God was not always God,

In Genesis 22:1 God did tempt Abraham, where according to James,c God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempt any man.

Isn't it clear or not , is it confusing or not.

So God allowed SATAN through his angel to test Abraham like He allowed him when he tested JOB.

That is enough to prove that the OT is a farse to rely on it for the truth.

peace and love in Jesus

Charles

December 22, 2011 at 5:41 pm#268972

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Charles

You ask me how many creatures their are below the first one right ?

Pierre

Pierre,

Just give a random sensible number any will do, this simply to start our discussion and the I will answer according to what you answer.

This is to proove how wrong all those who change a simple word like creature into creation,which although it seems the same in fact it's not,for the simple reason that when we use the first born of every creature it gives more light regarding the spirit of Jesus'function in creation.

charles

ok; 3

Pierre

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ok; 3

Now since you stated: the firstborn over all creation :

Where out of that 3 is Jesus.

Since we all know that God the Father created ALL in Jesus spirit, ALL by Jesus spirit,and ALL for Jesus spirit.

NOW CONCENTRATE before you post because ALL THOSE THREE ( WHICH REPRESENT ALL THE CREATION)must be created in that definition.

I mean All in Him,ALL by Him,and ALL for Him

Charles

charles

Christ is not in those three,because it says OVER not IN

Pierre

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Christ is not in those three,because it says OVER not IN

Pierre,

IN HIM All the fulness dwell.

What it the meaning of ALL??

Read:

Colossians 115Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

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charles

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Pierre,

IN HIM All the fulness dwell.

What it the meaning of ALL??

if some thing is in some thing that some thing that have the things on the inside is obviously out side of it ,right ??

all the candies in the jar ,it does not say that the jar is a candy ,right ?

Pierre

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all the candies in the jar ,it does not say that the jar is a candy ,right ?

Pierre,

In respect to your statement above, which is right, you are saying that :

The jar is not the candies ,and vice versa. OK !

Now ,what is it that you, Mike and some others speak so logic although it is clear that logic is not the guarantee to the truth, especially when it comes to GOD!!

Logic is not concerned with the truth of the conclusion, but with the validity or invalidity of the argument

Presumably, according to you, the Jar is CHRIST and the candies are us, CHRISTIANS.OK?

Since the JAR is not the CANDIES, and the CANDIES are not the JAR, and since also the JAR is not in the CANDIES, as the CANDIES are in the JAR.

CHRIST is not US, and we are not CHRIST. Also CHRIST is not in US as we are in Christ is it OK??

Now read and perceive how GOD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LOGIC:

Ephisians 1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church:

1 Corinthians 6: 13 ………Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.

1 Corinthians 6: 15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ?

1Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

1Corinthians 12: 27Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular

Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory:

28Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man PERFECT IN CHRIST JESUS:

So from the above scriptures, we are certain that Jesus is Both the HEAD, and the BODY of the Church.

NOW THE CHURCH IS US

WE are also certain that our BODIES (candies) are both the members of CHRIST, and the BODY of CHRIST, (the jar itself)

Also our BODIES ( candies) are for the LORD ( jar ) and the LORD ( jar ) is for our BODIES (candies)

And to conclude, CHRIST ( jar) is in US ( candies ) , and WE (candies) are in CHRIST ( Lord )

So not to deviate our selves from our subject which is the difference between the first born over all creation, and the first born of every creature, your argument is not valid according to your LOGICAL understanding.

Now,please can you define “the first born over all creation”

PEACE AND LOVE IN JESUS

CHARLES

December 22, 2011 at 5:45 pm#268973

Ed J

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The only time God the Father spoke directly was in the NT when He spoke to confirm the presence of His Son.

Hi Charles, you need to get your facts straight!

Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude
on the day that the LORD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: (Deut.4:15)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

December 22, 2011 at 6:39 pm#268975

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Hi Charles,

May I ask the circumstances surrounding how you becoming a Christian?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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May I ask the circumstances surrounding how you becoming a Christian?

I was born again through the internet while browsing

How about you???

peace and love in Jesus

Charles

Hi Charles, how old were you at the time?

My parents divorced when I was 5 or 6 years old,
raised by Mom though our Dad visited on Saturdays.

One day walking in the woods I cried out to God: God if you're real
let me know where the line really is, and help me to adhere to it.
I have been a christian ever since that time, protected by God.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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Hi Charles, how old were you at the time?

Edj,

60 years old and only 4 years ago, although I was born ,and still consider myself a Catholic. But honestly speaking there isn't a Church as Christ really established it.

But Christ won the world.

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

December 22, 2011 at 8:48 pm#268981