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Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 11 2011,22:23) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 11 2011,13:15) Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 10 2011,19:56) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 11 2011,11:56) Mark, Is Jesus Christ the Son OF God, or God Himself? Which answer is given by the scriptures? Which answer did Jesus himself teach us?
Hebrews 1:3. You asked for scripture, here it is-3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.
Powerful word being his spirit, as discussed, the inspiration of the scriptures.”Exact representation” should be self explanitory.This scripture should show that he was the Father manifested to us in flesh. “Exact”, “The Word made flesh”
Very good, Mark. Thanks for the scripture. Now…………..let's read between the lines of it:“The Son is the radiance of God’s glory” – Mark, WHOSE glory is the Son the radiance OF?
“and the exact representation of his being” – Mark, is a representation the original? If I am the “exact representation” OF you, can I also BE you?
peace,
mike
Wrong implications. I've said this before. If I take Mikeboll, and your dna (the very code God gave you to make you you), and cloned you, and by the power of God made your exact spirit come into your clone, it would be you. God did that, by Jesus, so that all the scriptures would be fulfilled “they shall all be taught by God” etc. That is not possible for humans, but it was possible for God. Thats why he is the King of the Universe. That is why he is the savior. That is why God can say “there is no savior but me”, and Jesus saved us on the cross…………glory to him now and forever-Amen. Peace-Mark
Thats one major problem these days, IMO, too much “reading between the lines”..Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 11 2011,13:31) Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 11 2011,12:56) Powerful word being his spirit, as discussed, the inspiration of the scriptures.
Hi Mark,You call Jesus word his spirit, yet you
refuse to believe God's word is the “HolySpirit”;
how do you account for your inconstancy in this regard?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote You call Jesus word his spirit, yet you
refuse to believe God's word is the “HolySpirit”;
how do you account for your inconstancy in this regard?Edj,
Did it occurred to you that Scriptures designates the Three persons The Father,the Son,and the Holy Spirit as LORD AND GOD.?
peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 11 2011,13:43) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 10 2011,20:08)
You are wrong to say that Trinitarians say that part B rules out that the Word is God. They say that the Word was with God “face to face” meaning that He is God with God…..
No, actually they say:
The construction in John 1:1c does not equate the Word with the person of God (this is ruled out by 1:1b, “the Word was with God”)But we don't really need 25 Trinitarian scholars to tell us that the ONE Being of God cannot possibly be WITH the ONE Being of God, do we? It should be evident from the common sense our ONE God, the Father created us with.
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 10 2011,20:08)
Quote (mikeboll @ 64) Jack, can the BEING of God be WITH the BEING of God? YES or NO please?
For the thousandth time YES. I have said it a million times. Adam and Eve were two persons in one being.
Mark, pay close attention here. If you continue on the path you've begun, you too will soon be making completely asinine statements just like this in order to defend your flawed doctrine. Jack has gone as far as telling us that he is the SAME EXACT BEING as his own father – just to try and prove his point. Will you also go that far, Mark?Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 10 2011,20:08)
But His God is NOT His Lord. Christ has no Lord because He IS the Lord.
Hmmmm………….. Then who exactly was Jesus talking to in this scripture?
Matthew 11:25
At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.Was Jesus speaking to himself? Why did he call himself “Father”?
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 10 2011,20:08)
A Hebrew son did NOT “worship” his father.
So then, when Jesus worshipped HIS Father, he was actually worshipping his God, just like everyone else, right?Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 10 2011,20:08)
Quote (mikeboll @ 64) What scripture can you show me that makes John 4:22 an “editorial” statement?
I already explained it.
I didn't ask for your “explanation”. I asked for a SCRIPTURE that tells us Jesus did NOT include himself in “WE worship what WE know”. Do you have a SCRIPTURE? Or just your “explanations”?Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 10 2011,20:08)
Are you saying that Jesus was including Himself personally?
That's what the words actually say, so YES. Why would I try to understand it any differently? Jack, beings worship their God – that's just how it is. Jehovah is definitely the God OF Jesus, because even Jesus tells us this MANY times. So why would I ever assume that Jesus didn't worship his own God just like all good Christians are supposed to do?Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Nov. 10 2011,20:08)
Furthermore, if your understanding is correct, then why did the Samaritans believe in Him (Jesus)? And why did the Samaritans confess Jesus as “THE Savior of the world” as the result of her testimony (vss. 39-42)?
I believe in Moses. Does that me he's God Almighty? And I also believe that Jesus is the Savior of the world that God sent to save us. This is all scriptural, but doesn't even come close to implying that Jesus is God Almighty.Quote The construction in John 1:1c does not equate the Word with the person of God (this is ruled out by 1:1b, “the Word was with God”)[/color] Mike,
I wish you respect God Himself regarding His nature!!
The verses hereunder make it abundantly clear that any attempt to fully understand God's nature in purely worldly terms is an exercise in arrogant futility.
Why futile? Perhaps for somewhat the same reasons that my pet goldfish would undoubtedly flunk trigonometry.
Isa 55.8-9
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways,'' says the Lord. “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts.”
Job 26.13-14
By His Spirit God adorned the heavens; His hand pierced the fleeing serpent. Indeed these are the mere edges of His ways, and how small a whisper we hear of Him! But the thunder of His power who can understand?Rom 11.33-36
Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out! For who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has become His counselor? Or who has first given to Him and it shall be repaid to him? For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.
peace and love in JesusCharles
Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 11 2011,12:56) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 11 2011,11:56) Charles, Jack, and Mark, I have asked each of you a “YES or NO” question in my responses to your posts. Along with your DIRECT answer to the simple question I've asked you each individually, I have one more very simple line of questioning I would like your DIRECT answers to:
Is Jesus Christ the Son OF God, or God Himself? Which answer is given by the scriptures? Which answer did Jesus himself teach us?
It is a simple question…………please answer it.
Hebrews 1:3. You asked for scripture, here it is-3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.
Powerful word being his spirit, as discussed, the inspiration of the scriptures.”Exact representation” should be self explanitory.This scripture should show that he was the Father manifested to us in flesh. “Exact”, “The Word made flesh”
Quote Is Jesus Christ the Son OF God, or God Himself? Mike,
Since you are stating Jesus Christ,it is evident that after resurrection.
Therefore glorified.
Therefore God the Father in Jesus Christ( All in Him)
Therefore God glorified.
Therefore the Almighty God .
Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
So the glory of God includes Jesus!
Peace and Love in Jesus Christ.
Charles
Charles
Quote Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, Quote So the glory of God includes Jesus! is that what scriptures says ?? or is it what you think ??
Pierre
Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 11 2011,22:16) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 11 2011,13:31) Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 11 2011,12:56) Powerful word being his spirit, as discussed, the inspiration of the scriptures.
Hi Mark,You call Jesus word his spirit, yet you
refuse to believe God's word is the “HolySpirit”;
how do you account for your inconstancy in this regard?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
The three are one, but three. One in being. Only they have this reality. “holy spirit” is God's spirit, the same spirit Jesus said that he would leave us after he left, as to not leave us orphans. The pure, undefiled spirit of God was in Jesus and God the Father. Thats how Jesus could say they were one, and that was truth. The same was true when Jesus said to Phillip that when you saw him, you saw the Father as well.Truth spoken by God to us. Thats why every utterance by him recorded in the Gospels are as God speaking, and it is used as such. I believe him. Some don't, like the Jews, or, separate them with human comprehension. Peace.
Hi Mark,So you do have trouble believing the HolySpirit is God's word then right?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (carmel @ Nov. 12 2011,03:54) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 11 2011,13:31) Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 11 2011,12:56) Powerful word being his spirit, as discussed, the inspiration of the scriptures.
Hi Mark,You call Jesus word his spirit, yet you
refuse to believe God's word is the “HolySpirit”;
how do you account for your inconstancy in this regard?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote You call Jesus word his spirit, yet you
refuse to believe God's word is the “HolySpirit”;
how do you account for your inconstancy in this regard?Edj,
Did it occurred to you that Scriptures designates the Three persons The Father,the Son,and the Holy Spirit as LORD AND GOD.?
peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi Charles,The “HolySpirit” is God; you do understand this, don't you?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeangel @ Nov. 11 2011,05:23) If I take Mikeboll, and your dna (the very code God gave you to make you you), and cloned you, and by the power of God made your exact spirit come into your clone, it would be you.
Okay Mark. Now, will the clone be the same exact BEING as me? Or would there then be TWO identical Mikebolls?peace,
mikemikeangel,Nov. wrote:[/quote]
Quote King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Yet I am the LORD your God from the land of Egypt, and you shall know no god but me: for there is no savior besides me.Nehemiah 9:27 KJV
27Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies.Mark, the same Hebrew word used to call Jehovah a savior in Hosea 13:4 is used of the saviors Jehovah SENT in Nehemiah 9:27.
The thought in your verse is: “There is no savior APART FROM me”. And that's how the NIV translates the following:
Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.Do you understand this? God would be a liar if He said He was LITERALLY the ONLY savior, and then talked about SENDING OTHER saviors. So we have three choices:
1. God lied.
2. Apart from God, no one else would have the power to save even a hair on their own head.
3. The saviors that God SENT were also God Almighty.Which one makes the most sense, Mark?
Quote Are Jesus and God the Father one Mike -YES or NO?
Yes, they are one in purpose and will.John 17:11
I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one.Did Jesus pray that his disciples would be one with Jesus and his Father just as they were one with each other, Mark? YES or NO?
Does that mean that they too will be God Almighty, Mark? YES or NO?
peace,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 12 2011,10:10) Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 11 2011,05:30) Quote King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Yet I am the LORD your God from the land of Egypt, and you shall know no god but me: for there is no savior besides me.Nehemiah 9:27 KJV
27Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies.Mark, the same Hebrew word used to call Jehovah a savior in Hosea 13:4 is used of the saviors Jehovah SENT in Nehemiah 9:27.
The thought in your verse is: “There is no savior APART FROM me”. And that's how the NIV translates the following:
Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.Do you understand this? God would be a liar if He said He was LITERALLY the ONLY savior, and then talked about SENDING OTHER saviors. So we have three choices:
1. God lied.
2. Apart from God, no one else would have the power to save even a hair on their own head.
3. The saviors that God SENT were also God Almighty.Which one makes the most sense, Mark?
Quote Are Jesus and God the Father one Mike -YES or NO?
Yes, they are one in purpose and will.John 17:11
I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one.Did Jesus pray that his disciples would be one with Jesus and his Father just as they were one with each other, Mark? YES or NO?
Does that mean that they too will be God Almighty, Mark? YES or NO?
peace,
mikeQuote The thought in your verse is: “There is no savior APART FROM me”. And that's how the NIV translates the following:
Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.Do you understand this? God would be a liar if He said He was LITERALLY the ONLY savior, and then talked about SENDING OTHER saviors. So we have three choices:
1. God lied.
2. Apart from God, no one else would have the power to save even a hair on their own head.
3. The saviors that God SENT were also God Almighty.Mike again that is your corrupted understanding as a mortal carnal being.
I am convinced that those words are a proof that the almighty god is referring to himself as MAN to be able to die.
What kind of inteligence is that,
If GOD is our Savior,and God is a spirit?
Can God die as a spirit??
Now Read and define through your corrupted wisdom.
Colosians2:
2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
3In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
4And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.
5For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. .
Mike,
The mystery is of God, the Father, and of Christ Jesus:
This is a proof that God is not your Jehovah only!
I TELL YOU THIS
IN THAT STATEMENT THERE IS A CLEAR MESSAGE WHICH IS REPRESENTED BY:
GOD SPIRIT
FATHER SOUL
CHRIST BODY(glorified through Jesus flesh body as human )
SATISFIED TRIUNE GOD
AND THEY MANOUVER MYSTERIOUSLY ACCORDING TO THEIR UNFATHOMABLE WISDOM not according to Jehovah God of Mike.
Now in whom we should have faith Mike, in your jehovah god or in Christ to reach the Almighty God the Father of Christ
Since calling jehovah god I am not sure whether it reaches even your imagination jehovah god nevr mind the ALMIGHTY GOD?
peace and love in CHRIST ( not in your jehovah god)
charles
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 12 2011,10:10) Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 11 2011,05:30) Quote King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Yet I am the LORD your God from the land of Egypt, and you shall know no god but me: for there is no savior besides me.Nehemiah 9:27 KJV
27Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies.Mark, the same Hebrew word used to call Jehovah a savior in Hosea 13:4 is used of the saviors Jehovah SENT in Nehemiah 9:27.
The thought in your verse is: “There is no savior APART FROM me”. And that's how the NIV translates the following:
Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.Do you understand this? God would be a liar if He said He was LITERALLY the ONLY savior, and then talked about SENDING OTHER saviors. So we have three choices:
1. God lied.
2. Apart from God, no one else would have the power to save even a hair on their own head.
3. The saviors that God SENT were also God Almighty.Which one makes the most sense, Mark?
Quote Are Jesus and God the Father one Mike -YES or NO?
Yes, they are one in purpose and will.John 17:11
I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one.Did Jesus pray that his disciples would be one with Jesus and his Father just as they were one with each other, Mark? YES or NO?
Does that mean that they too will be God Almighty, Mark? YES or NO?
peace,
mikeQuote Did Jesus pray that his disciples would be one with Jesus and his Father just as they were one with each other, Mark? YES or NO? YES MIKE.
so that they may be one as we are one.
What does it says ?
Does it says anything else?
Are you so proud that you can define God's plan for humanity.
If God has a plan that all his creatures will manifest God Almighty,are you capable to deny it?
If Almighty God in His mysterious unfathomable wisdom has a system that all His creatures will eventually become His embodiment. Are you capable to deny it?
If you deny that ,you would be denying this:
Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Corinthians 2:4
And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
Quote Does that mean that they too will be God Almighty, Mark? YES or NO? YES!! MIKE if it says so.
THERE WONT BE ANY NEED OF GOD ALMIGHTY ANY MORE as it is within our understanding,SINCE THERE WOULD BE ONLY ONE UNIMAGINABLE COLOSSAL LOVE WITHIN GOD HIMSELF EMBODIED IN HIS CREATURES.
HIS TEMPLE AND HIS KINGDOM FOR EVER!
JOHN 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone,
but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me
THAT THEY ALL MAY BE ONE ,AS YOU, FATHER,ARE IN ME,AND IN YOU!
Rev:22And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
What all this means in GOD's mysterious terms.
DENY ALL THIS MIKE, THROUGH ALL YOU CARNAL CORRUPTED WISDOM LIKE ALL HUMANS WHO DON'T BELEIVE.
Titus 1:15Everything is pure to those whose hearts are pure. But nothing is pure to those who are corrupt and unbelieving, because their minds and consciences are corrupted. 16Such people claim they know God, but they deny him by the way they live. They are detestable and disobedient, worthless for doing anything good.
peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 12 2011,08:54) Quote (carmel @ Nov. 12 2011,03:54) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 11 2011,13:31) Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 11 2011,12:56) Powerful word being his spirit, as discussed, the inspiration of the scriptures.
Hi Mark,You call Jesus word his spirit, yet you
refuse to believe God's word is the “HolySpirit”;
how do you account for your inconstancy in this regard?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote You call Jesus word his spirit, yet you
refuse to believe God's word is the “HolySpirit”;
how do you account for your inconstancy in this regard?Edj,
Did it occurred to you that Scriptures designates the Three persons The Father,the Son,and the Holy Spirit as LORD AND GOD.?
peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi Charles,The “HolySpirit” is God; you do understand this, don't you?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote Hi Charles, The “HolySpirit” is God; you do understand this, don't you?
Without a single doubt
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 11 2011,11:39) Quote (carmel @ Nov. 10 2011,00:23) Mike, NO, YOU ARE SAYING THAT!
THIS WHAT I SAID
What is the meaning :with thyself, with the glory which I had, before the world was, with thee
If God the Father is eternal,and Jesus said WITH YOURSELF,and ended up with the words WITH YOU.
THEREFORE JESUS WAS ETERNAL WITH GOD HIMSELF.
So if a scripture said that Michael the archangel was with God before the world was, would those words mean that Michael was also from eternity? YES or NO Charles?Quote So if a scripture said that Michael the archangel was with God before the world was, would those words mean that Michael was also from eternity? YES or NO Charles? Mike !
Who is Michael the archangel?
I don't know him!
He doesn't fit in the argument.
He is not within context of
with thyself, with the glory which I had, before the world was, with thee
peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2011,07:55) Sorry Charlie……………that isn't even close to what is taught in scripture. You seem to be just making things up. Where is your scriptural proof of what you just stated? mike
Quote Sorry Charlie……………that isn't even close to what is taught in scripture. You seem to be just making things up. Where is your scriptural proof of what you just stated? Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
where was the Son of God if He saw satan coming down from heaven?
This definitely occurred before the world was!
peace and love in Jesus
Quote (carmel @ Nov. 11 2011,12:40) Mike, I wish you respect God Himself regarding His nature!!
The verses hereunder make it abundantly clear that any attempt to fully understand God's nature in purely worldly terms is an exercise in arrogant futility.
Premise: We can't possibly understand the ways of God. It would be like trying to teach an ant to navigate the internet. With this I agree, Charles.Charles' conclusion: Because we can't understand God, I can make the claim that God's Son is the God he is the Son of. With this I do not agree.
Charles, you have yet to answer my question from before:
Is Jesus the Son of God, or God Himself? What do the scriptures say about it? What did Jesus himself teach us about it?Quote (carmel @ Nov. 11 2011,14:10) Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, So the glory of God includes Jesus!
Stephen was able to see ALL OF Jesus, at the right hand OF God. But Stephen could not see the God that Jesus was at the right hand of, because human eyes cannot look upon the God who created us.Therefore, Stephen saw all of Jesus, but only the GLORY OF God. He could not actually see God, but only the glory surrounding Him.
Charles, why do you think Stephen was able to see ALL OF Jesus if he truly was God? And if Jesus was truly God, then whose right hand was he at when Stephen saw him?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2011,10:25) Quote (carmel @ Nov. 09 2011,15:26) John 4:22You worship you know not what…… Jesus in the above scripture said to the Samaritan woman : “you worship you know not.”
That's how evident was God. Not only a mystery but unknown, never mind Father.
Charles, not only did the Jews know exactly who Jehovah their God was, but Jesus even confirmed that in the part of the scripture you left out. He also included himself as one of the worshippers OF that God in the part you left out.22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.
There was never a question since Abraham as to who God was. Your implication that God was an “unknown mystery” until Jesus is unscriptural, and frankly, absurd.
peace,
mikeQuote Charles, not only did the Jews know exactly who Jehovah their God was, but Jesus even confirmed that in the part of the scripture you left out. He also included himself as one of the worshippers of that God in the part you left out. That is your understanding, now read mine!
John 4:21 Jesus saith to her: Woman, believe me, that the hour cometh, when you shall neither on this mountain, not in Jerusalem, adore the Father.
22 You adore that which you know not: we adore that which we know; for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true adorers shall adore the Father in spirit and in truth. For the Father also seeketh such to adore him.
24 God is a spirit; and they that adore him, must adore him in spirit and in truth.
Jesus in 21″You shall neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, adores the Father.”
Confirmed that, both the Jews and the Samaritans. He mentioned both places Mike, not one.So they both were in a way adoring God wrongly.
Then in 22 He said:” You adore that which you know not” Again, YOU is a reference to both the Jews, and the Samaritans. It is in the same context
Your bible renders it YOU SAMARITANS WORSHIP, but I checked at least 7 Bible versions which render it YOU
WORSHIP.Now that is quite a hell of difference Mike.
In order to discern the right message, one cannot take or add a word or even a dot, and also one must respect the context of the Chapter.
Jesus through this event demonstrated that He is the truth with regards to the general emancipation especially woman, considering that the woman was, in every sense not respected in society.So without the emphasis “Samaritans”, Jesus meant both Jews, and Samaritans.
This to signify both Jews and gentiles. And He came to redeem all.Since the Samaritans originated from the pagan invaders after Israel was conquered by Assyria, and since then in every sense became an absolute rivalry for the Jews.
This, reflecting, is parallel with the Jewish God, and the pagan gods of the gentiles, which established themselves in Samaria after Israel was conquered.
These gentiles were to me the lost sheep,since the Jews rejected God,and they were scatterred till today,also since the process of Jesus being born was fulfilled, as confirmed by Himself that He overcame the world.Hereunder is Ephesians 2: which says it all!
Ephesians 2: Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands—
12remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
14For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility
15by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,
16and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.
17And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near.
18For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father.
19So then you are no longer strangers and aliens,c but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,
20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone,
21in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord.
22In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God byd the Spirit.And you, when you were dead in your offences, and sins,
12remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
Now the above is a confirmation that God was a mystery and unkown according to Paul himself.
peace and love in Jesus
Charles.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2011,00:15) Quote (carmel @ Nov. 11 2011,14:10) Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, So the glory of God includes Jesus!
Stephen was able to see ALL OF Jesus, at the right hand OF God. But Stephen could not see the God that Jesus was at the right hand of, because human eyes cannot look upon the God who created us.Therefore, Stephen saw all of Jesus, but only the GLORY OF God. He could not actually see God, but only the glory surrounding Him.
Charles, why do you think Stephen was able to see ALL OF Jesus if he truly was God? And if Jesus was truly God, then whose right hand was he at when Stephen saw him?
Quote But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, Mike
read again and discern!Stephen was full of the Holy Spirit of God.
He saw the full Glory of God!
Since for the first time ever there was God glorified in Him!
You can twist as much as you like to quench your thirst in your corrupted flesh,but that's truth.
And the truth hurths you.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (carmel @ Nov. 13 2011,00:27)
I am convinced that those words are a proof that the almighty god is referring to himself as MAN to be able to die.
Nehemiah is referring to the many judges God sent as saviors to the nation of Israel – long before Jesus came as God's sacrificial Lamb. So once again, here are your three choices, Charles:1. God lied.
2. Apart from God, no one else would have the power to save even a hair on their own head.
3. The judges that God SENT as saviors of the nation of Israel were all God Almighty Himself.Which one makes sense to you?
Quote (carmel @ Nov. 13 2011,00:27)
If GOD is our Savior,and God is a spirit?Can God die as a spirit??
You mistakenly think that Jesus was the ONLY savior God ever sent for His people. What about the angel that killed 185,000 Assyrians that were about to wipe out Jerusalem? Was that angel a man? Did that angel have to die in order to save Israel? Many of the saviors God sent didn't save by dying. Only Jesus saved by offering his life in exchange for ours.Quote (carmel @ Nov. 13 2011,00:27)
Now Read and define through your corrupted wisdom.Colosians2:
2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;The Greek words that Paul wrote say, “the mystery of the God of Christ”, which matches the many other times Paul refered to “the God and Father of Jesus Christ”.
The TRINITARIAN scholars of NETNotes say:
There are at least a dozen variants here, almost surely generated by the unusual wording τοῦ θεοῦ, Χριστοῦ (tou qeou, Cristou, “of God, Christ”; so Ì46 B Hil). Scribes would be prone to conform this to more common Pauline expressions such as “of God, who is in Christ” (33), “of God, the Father of Christ” (א* A C 048vid 1175 bo), and “of the God and Father of Christ” (א2 Ψ 075 0278 365 1505 pc).The word “Christ” is in the genitive form, which means that in English, we add the word “of” in front of it. That makes it read “the God OF Christ”.
Yet knowing what they know, these Trinitarians STILL render that verse as “of God, namely Christ”. Do you see the illogical bias I have to deal with on a daily basis because the vast majority of Greek scholars are Trinitarians? Surely they are aware of the many other times Paul refered to “the God OF Jesus Christ”. Surely they are aware that the word “Christ” is in the genitive form here. And surely they are aware that the word “Christ” doesn't refer to God Himself, but to one who was anointed BY God.
Quote (carmel @ Nov. 13 2011,00:27)
peace and love in CHRIST ( not in your jehovah god)
You have decided to worship the creation instead of the Creator. Your statement borders on blasphemy, and I feel sorry for you.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 08 2011,08:01) Quote (carmel @ Nov. 06 2011,10:08) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) Which version of the Bible does this wording come from, Charles? For sure both:
KJV, AND BRBV.
What Bible is “BRBV”? It says nothing about “life eternal” in the Greek of 1 John 1:3, nor in the KJV.Quote (carmel @ Nov. 06 2011,10:08) Now you stated that the Almighty God shares His glory with no one. Read this:
Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looking up steadfastly to heaven, saw THE GLORY OF GOD, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God. And he said: Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
So THE GLORY OF GOD ,AND JESUS STANDING ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD.
SO JESUS IS PART OF THAT GLORY!
Actually, since God Himself cannot be seen with human eyes, Stephen was only able to see the glory of the Father, and not the Father Himself. But Stephen WAS able to see Jesus standing at the right hand of that glory. Why? Because no man can see God, but Jesus is not God. That's why Stephen could clearly see Jesus, but only the glory of God.peace,
mikeQuote What Bible is “BRBV”? Sorry Mike!
It's DRBVDouay-Rheims Bible Version Old
and THE KING JAMES OLD VERSION:
1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
3That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full
peace in Jesus
Charles
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