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  • #864297
    Pilgrim
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    T8:

    You know the gospel message:

    That God having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless us, in turning away every one from their iniquities. God has winked at our ignorance and now commands all men every where to repent, be converted, turn to and believe in God who raised Jesus from the dead, do works meet for repentance and experience their sins being blotted out, since Jesus was delivered up for offences and raised again to justify us from all our sin.

    So that if anyone confesses with their mouth the Lord Jesus, and believes in their heart that God has raised him from the dead, that person shall be saved.

    “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”  John 3:16

    #864300
    Lightenup
    Participant

    t8,

    You said: I didn’t look at the thesis and do not need to. Any thesis that changes the Father from being the one true God to being the Father of God, the Son of God, and the Spirit of God is only trying to coax people with smooth words. I have little time for such things. About as much time as I have for the Mormon bible for example.

    The thesis isn’t about the Godhead. It is about who the theos is in 2 Cor 4:4, the God of the universe or the devil. You don’t want to think the devil is the god of the ages when the verse is about the God of the universe, do you? It is a sound and very thorough work on the subject. You can look at the table of contents and read the conclusion and any part besides that as you want. Reading the conclusion will take 60 seconds or so. I think you will be surprised by what is said in the Book of Enoch and many other things if you look it over.

    #864301
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Hi Lu,

    YOU: I know that we are in Christ but not as gods abiding in him.

    I have to make things clear to you:

    “THE WORD” MADE FLESH, is Jesus’divine flesh body! THE PURE RANSOM, PROVIDED BY THE FATHER!

    THE FATHER’S SUBSTANCE!

    Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore, when he cometh into the world he saith: Sacrifice and oblation thou wouldest not:

    but a body thou hast fitted to me.

    Genesis 22:8 And Abraham said:

    God will provide HIMSELF a victim for a holocaust,

    MY SON (A CLEAR REFERENCE TO JESUS AS A SPIRIT EMBODIED IN ISAAC CONCEIVED BY A DIRECT GOD’S SUPERNATURAL INTERVENTION, WHEN BOTH ABRAHAM AND SARAH WERE USELESS REGARDING SEX ) 

    THE PROMISE! 

    ISAAC ‘S BODY  WAS “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, JESUS’HUMAN NATURE, pre-existed as a spirit.

    ISAAC’S SOUL WAS THE HOLY GHOST attributed to the Son of God, JESUS’DIVINE NATURE

    ….So they went on together. ( a clear reference to

     JESUS, PERSONIFIED IN ISAAC and

    GOD THE FATHER, PERSONIFIED IN ABRAHAM 

    BOTH WENT TOGETHER ON THE CROSS.

    John8: 56 Abraham your father rejoiced that he might see my day:

    he saw it and was glad.

    Abraham the friend of God, THE FATHER OF MANY NATIONS, a reference to Jesus Christ, Abraham spiritual SEED, who as a spirit conceived Abraham)

    Neither shall thy name be called any more Abram: but thou shalt be called Abraham: because I ( GOD)  have made thee a father of many nations. (BY “THE WORD” IN YOUR MOTHER’S WOMB)

    6And I will make thee increase exceedingly, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. 7And I will establish my covenant between me and thee, and between thy seed(CHRIST) after thee IN their generations,(ALL IN “THE WORD” Jesus the Son of Man) by a perpetual covenant: to be a God (IN CHRIST) to thee,

    and to thy seed (THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE ON JESUS RESURRECTION, THE MAN BORN AGAIN john3:3) after thee.

    8And I will give to thee, and to thy seed,

    the land (JESUS’BODY ON HIS RESURRECTION, and CHRIST’S on Jesus glorification) of thy sojournment,

    all the land of Chanaan, ( THE GENTILES) for a

    perpetual possession, ( CHRISTIANS)

    and I will be their (HUMAN) God.

    (JESUS CHRIST GOD AND FATHER OF THE HUMAN RACE)

    Now ALL Isaiah 61 IS A DIRECT REFERENCE TO JESUS’ RESURRECTION/GLORIFICATION IN JESUS CHRIST EMBODIED 

    WITH THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE!

    61:1 The spirit of the Lord is upon me because the Lord hath anointed me:

    ( JESUS’ DEAD BODY, ANOINTED WITH THE HOLY GHOST IN JESUS CHRIST AFTER HE RESURRECTED

    EMBODIED IN THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE,thus  BECAME

    ONE SUBSTANCE IN JESUS CHRIST

    GOD OD ALL FLESH (AND ALL FLESH GODS IN CHRIST)

    GOD AND FATHER OF THE HUMAN RACE

    Lu, JESUS” ACTUAL DEAD BODY WAS ALLOCATED TO THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE! OF PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE!

    Cont. 61:1  he hath sent me to preach to the meek, to heal the contrite of heart, and to preach a release to the captives, and deliverance to them that are SHUT UP (IN HELL).

    The above is a clear reference to JESUS CHRIST IN HELL PREACHING HIS GOSPEL AND FREED ALL THE SOULS FROM ADAM’S SIN!

    61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord,

    and the day of vengeance of our(HUMAN) God:

    to comfort all that mourn:

    The above is a reference to ALL SOULS FREED FROM HELL, RESURRECTED AS HUMANS IN JESUS, and GLORIFIED IN CHRIST!

    61:3 To appoint to the mourners (HUMANS)  of Sion, (AS SOULS) and to give them a CROWN FOR ASHES ( THEIR DEAD BODIES GLORIFIED IN JESUS’BODY), the oil of joy for mourning, A GARMENT of praise( THE NEW FLESH BODY; THE NEW JERUSALEM) for

    the spirit of grief: (FOR THE TIME LOCKED TORMENTED IN HELL BY SATAN)

    and they shall be called in it

    the MIGHTY ONES of justice,( ALL IN JESUS ON HIS RESURRECTION, and after,

    ALL IN ONE SUBSTANCE IN THE HOLY GHOST IN JESUS CHRIST) 

    TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU!

    THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE IN JESUS  AS SONS OF GOD 

    SPIRIT and FLESH in 

    CHRIST.

    Lu the entire human race

    ARE GODS ONE SUBSTANCE IN

    JESUS CHRIST, EVEN  BEFORE THE WORLD WAS!

    All this process simply to justify the TRUTH, that Jesus Christ pre-existed already in flesh as the embodiment of God. Lucifer didn’t accept, to be subject to A DIVINE MAN and HIS MOTHER, unless through a battle on earth, READ HEREUNDER:)

    61:3 Cont. ….the planting of the Lord to GLORIFY HIM.(IN THE TRUTH)

    Lu, I am not going to clarify all Isaiah 61 to assert to you that it is A CLEAR REFERENCE TO THE GLORY OF THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE IN

    JESUS CHRIST!

    YOU COULD DO IT!  BUT NOT AS YOU JUST SAID HEREUNDER 

     

    YOU: I would have to study it more….

    (THAT IS NOT ENOUGH! IN FACT, IT’S OF NO USE CONCERNING

    GOD’S MYSTERIES! )

    BUT PRAY, PRAY, and PRAY IN FULL HUMILITY, AND FOR THE LOVE OF

    JESUS!

    And the Holy Spirit SPEAKS as HE HEARS! ( AS MUCH AS YOU PRAY)

    JESUS GAVE US HIS BODY! PURPOSELY FURNISHED BY GOD THE FATHER!

    HE EMPTIED HIMSELF TOTALLY OF IT!

    HE RESURRECTED IT FOR OUR SAKE!

    SIMPLY SO HE COULD ONLY LIVE AGAIN AS

    JESUS THE MAN, IN HUMANS in His own

    KINGDOM!

    1Peter 1:3 Blessed be

    THE God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, (A CLEAR REFERENCE TO JESUS CHRIST AS OUR GOD AND FATHER) 

    who according to his great mercy

    hath REGENERATED us unto a lively hope,

    by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead:

    4Unto an inheritance, incorruptible, and undefiled and that cannot fade, (JESUS’ACTUAL BODY, originally slain like a lamb ….Rev.13:8 pre-existed as a spirit, ETERNAL LIFE LOCKED IN ALL CREATURES from the beginning of the world ) reserved in heaven FOR YOU.

    HE GAVE US HIS ACTUAL LIFE!

    He lives in us and we live in Him.

    First He gave it back to the Father GLORIFIED in the HOLY GHOST on His death, then He EXCHANGED IT WITH OURS ON HIS RESURRECTION.

    HE TOTALLY EMPTIED HIMSELF OF HIS SPIRIT “THE WORD” and 

    ENRICHED US! Then

    HE INTEGRATED US ONE SUBSTANCE IN 

    CHRIST! WOW, WOW, and WOW, HALLELUIAH!

    OUR LORD GOD AND FATHER!

    WE ARE HIS, THE SON’S PROPERTY MORE THAN THE FATHER’S AND 

    BY HIM WE ARE THE FATHER’S PROPERTY!

    John 15:5 …..for without me you can do nothing.

    YOU: I do know that we are in him like he is our strong tower of protection and we are in his hands,(HIS PROPERTY, HIS OWN SUBSTANCE) completely dependent on him to cover us with his righteousness, etc.

     

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ

    #864302
    Lightenup
    Participant

    t8,

    You said to Pilgrim:

    My answer was very honest because I truly believe with all my heart that he is the son of God and the Christ. I believe it not only because it is written, but deeply believe it theologically. This impacts how I see many other things.

    Jesus is the son of God in what way? Do you think that he is a son biologically born of YHVH before creation? Or was he a created being who was begotten in some manner as a non-biological son? Or how? Or does it make a difference??

    #864305
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Hi Carmel,

    You said:

    1Peter 1:3 Blessed be

    THE God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, (A CLEAR REFERENCE TO JESUS CHRIST AS OUR GOD AND FATHER)

    Do you believe Jesus is his own father?

    #864306
    carmel
    Participant

    Hi Lu,

    YOU: Do you believe Jesus is his own father?

    DO YOU BELIEVE

    THAT JESUS ATE HIMSELF IN THE LAST SUPPER? 

    DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS HIS OWN BRIDE?

    DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS HIS OWN MOTHER?

    BUT ONLY  IN/BY

    THE WORD” JESUS SINCE ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, and ALL FOR HIM.

    TH SON OF MAN

    THUS

    JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD GOD AND FATHER 

    IS THE FATHER OF JESUS THE SON OF MAN IN

    ALL HUMANS, THOUGH,

    SINCE HE GAVE HIS PRECISE BODY TO US!

    ON HIS RESURRECTION!

    Lu at one stage you were in your father regarding your

    SOUL

    THUS YOUR FATHER WAS YOU, and YOU WERE YOUR FATHER

    TWO IN ONE SOUL.

    AT THE VERY END

    THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE BECOME

    ONE FLESH IN JESUS THE SON OF MAN

    ONE SOUL IN JESUS THE SON OF GOD

    ONE SPIRIT IN JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD

    on the last day of the Lord

    GOD THE FATHER WILL BE

    ALL IN ALL AND OCCUPIES THE BODY OF 

    JESUS CHRIST 

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ

     

    #864307
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Carmel,

    You have your own way of looking at the Word, that’s for sure. I don’t even know where to begin to speak to the dimension that you speak on. I’m sorry.

    May God bless you,
    LU

    #864309
    carmel
    Participant

    Hi Lu,

    YOU: Carmel,

    You have your own way of looking at the Word, that’s for sure. I don’t even know where to begin to speak to the dimension that you speak on. I’m sorry.

    May God bless you,

    May God bless you too

    May God bless the entire human race no matter who and what

    Matthew 25:40 And the king answering shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren,

    you did it to me.

     

    IT IS GOD’S GLORY IN

    JESUS CHRIST WHO WORKS IN US 

    ACCORDING TO OUR LOVE FOR THE SON OF MAN

    JESUS IN OUR HEART

    THE HEART OF GOD IN US

    THE NEW HEART OF FLESH!

    Ezekiel 36:26 And I will give you a new heart, and put a new spirit within you:

    and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and will give you

    a heart of flesh. in”THE WORD” the Son of Man. eternal life.

     

    `Jeremiah  32:39 And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me all days :

    32:41 And I will rejoice over them,

    when I shall do them good: (ATTENTION LU)

    and I will plant( ESTABLISH) them

    in this (EMBODIMENT) land in TRUTH, (JESUS CHRIST)

    with my WHOLE heart, ( “THE WORD”)  and

    with ALL my soul.(THE HOLY GHOST) IN

     

    JESUS CHRIST   ALL IN HIM……HALLELUJAH

    Matthew 10:19 But when they shall deliver you up,

    take no thought how or what to speak:

    for it shall be given you in that hour what to speak:

    20For it is not you that speak, but the spirit of your Father that speaketh in you.

     

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ

    #864310
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    You know the gospel message:

    Of course I know the good news and salvation Pilgrim.

    Are you aware that eternal life is to know the only true God and Jesus Christ who the true God sent?

    #864322
    Jodi
    Participant

    Hi Pilgrim,

    YOU: 1. Are you aware that in the Greek the phrase “that came down” is katabainō meaning “descend” and is used 80 times in the New Testament in a consistent way e.g. the same word is used in all the gospels where it speaks of the Spirit descending like a dove (e.g. Matthew 3:16, John 1:33) and in the verses describing them descending from the mount of transfiguration (Matthew 17:9, Mark 9:9), again where the angel of the Lord descended and rolled back the stone (Matthew 28:2) and in John 6:33-58 the bread of God that descended, also in Ephesians 4:9-10 of the Lord descending into the lower parts of the earth and in 1 Thess 4:16 describing the Lord’s return descending from heaven and right throughout Revelation talking of descending angels and especially of New Jerusalem descending from heaven?

    ME:  Yes thank you I am aware, here is another passage with katabaino,

    James 1: 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

    speaking of gifts,

    Luke 11: 13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

    Pilgrim you said “the Greek the phrase “that came down” is katabainō meaning “descend”, it likewise means and is translated as “come down” numerous times and is also used as cometh down.

    John 6:40  And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    When Jesus cometh down from heaven is WHEN those who are his RECEIVE our Father’s Spirit being ALL IN, given eternal life and being caused to walk in all our Father’s ways, joint heirs with Christ being heirs of our Father’s Spirit. ONE BREAD/ONE BODY/ONE SPIRIT, being baptized with the baptism that Jesus was baptized with, drinking of the cup he drinks of, all drinking of ONE SPIRIT. 

     

     

    #864325
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Hi Carmel,

    Matthew 10:19…good passage and reminder, thank you!

    Blessings, LU

    #864332
    Pilgrim
    Participant

    To T8:

    Amen I enjoy blessed fellowship with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ, and know the only true God and Jesus Christ who the Father sent and have tasted that the Lord is gracious and to me He is very precious.

    #864333
    Pilgrim
    Participant

    Hi Jodi,

    It is wonderful to be the abode of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, having been baptised into Christ Jesus, buried with him and raised by the glory of the Father into newness of life, knowing my old man is crucified and that I am free from sin and that I am now living unto God and able to yield myself unto God, as one that is alive from the dead, and my members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

    Hallelujah, what a blessed liberty it is to be spiritually minded and walk in the Spirit and not fulfil the lusts of the flesh and be able to put to death the deeds of the body and be a joint heir with Christ, suffering with him.

    Like Paul, I count all things loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith, That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death.

    What a great joy it is for me to be crucified with Christ and to live no longer I but Christ, who lives in me, and to live a life in the flesh by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me and ti no longer frustrate the grace of God.

    Thanks for asking.

    #864342
    Jodi
    Participant

    Hi Pilgrim,

    YOU:

    2. What do you believe it means in John 3:13 when Jesus says at the time of his speaking and after talking of the ascension that the Son of Man is “in heaven”?

    3. Is the interpretation you gave on John 3:13 also what you think John the Baptist is saying in John 3:31?

    ME:

    John 17: 14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

    John 17: 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

    John 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

    James 1: 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

    Matthew 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

    John 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

    43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will

    receive.

    John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

    John 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God. 

    The work that our Father gave Jesus to do upon his anointing being sent as the anointed, 

    Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

    Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: 24 When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.

    Pilgrim,

    Jesus the anointed, the Son of Man was SENT by our heavenly Father to save us, all fulfilled because of a promise that our Father had made. The Spirit came and abode upon the Son of Man, this Son of Man proceeded forth coming to the world from God, he came to us directly down from heaven, he came not being of this world but of heaven/of God, and John bore record that THIS SON OF MAN, the son of David was God’s Son.

    As God had promised unto David that of his sons there would come a son of whom God WOULD BE A FATHER TO, and God WOULD settle him into His house, and God would give him the kingdom of his father David, where he would sit on that throne ACCORDING to the FLESH being a Son of God ACCORDING to the SPIRIT judging the world in righteousness, where we are assured because God had raised him from the dead.

    This is what I know from scripture Pilgrim, that the Son of Man went to sit at God’s right hand, he ascended to heaven and IS IN HEAVEN, no other man has ascended to heaven, only he who is to cometh down from heaven where upon his return he will give eternal life to those who are his, has ascended to heaven. 

    When Jesus was on earth upon his anointing God was all in him, and he was IN heaven being IN GOD, he was IN God from the beginning, as God had declared from the beginning things not yet done, that a MAN WOULD COME and execute God’s purpose, a Son of Man would come to save that which was lost, a Son of Man would preach, would heal, would deliver captives.  Not just ANY son of man but the SON OF DAVID whom God would be a Father to ACCORDING to HIS SPIRIT. 

    Jesus the son of David whom God promised to be a Father to came not of his own will, he came to us directly down from heaven/from God. He spoke heavenly/God’s things, he preached God’s word of the Kingdom of HEAVEN, the Kingdom of GOD. He was anointed and sent not being of this world but being from heaven, from God, and likewise Paul was anointed by the Spirit made an apostle and he was not of this world as Jesus was not of this world, and he was sent out into the world as Jesus was sent into the world. Jesus however was the ONLY MORTAL MAN who had been begotten of God’s Spirit not by measure, where God directed ALL his ways.  

    #864343
    Jodi
    Participant

    Hi All,

    Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: 24 When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.

    29-34 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre. But God raised him from the dead: And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people. And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.

    We have a SON OF MAN raised from the dead said to on that day to have been begotten by God.

    Likewise said,

    22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

    30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

    The one who sits at God’s right hand is the son of David whom received the promised Holy Spirit upon his resurrection from the dead, also said on that day to have been begotten of God, where God declares him to be His Son. 

    sound familiar?????

    22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son;

    There is no sending down from heaven an only begotten Son who unites with a human egg so to do the work of God.

    There is God’s WORD fulfilled where FIRST you have a son of David and THEN according to the Spirit God becomes a Father unto him and sends him out into the world to fulfill all of God’s will, be a savoir, be the man who God declared from the beginning would come and execute His purpose. Jesus freed us from the penalty of our sins which is death, so that we could have access to the same cup he drank from to be baptized with his same baptism, receive the fountain of life, our Father’s Holy Spirit, becoming joint heirs with Jesus of Nazareth. He WAS the only mortal man to have God be all in him causing him to walk in all of God’s ways, but he is NOW a firstborn of many brethren.  We follow him in the NEW BIRTH, for a man must be born again of water and of the Spirit to see God’s kingdom.

    #864347
    carmel
    Participant

    HI T8,

    YOU: Are you aware that

    eternal life is

    to know

    the only true God and Jesus Christ who the true God sent?

    ME: T8: NOT QUITE PRECISE I’M AFRAID! Please read and be aware of the PURE TRUTH!

    John17:3 Now this (JESUS) is eternal life:

     That they (THROUGH JESUS, THE SON OF MAN)  may know thee,(AS)

    the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (Otherwise, for sure, you remain UNKOWN)

    NOW TO BE

    PRECISE:

    John6:27 Labour not for the meat (FOOD WHICH YOU EAT) which perisheth,

    but for( THE SPIRITUAL FOOD, THE TRUTH, JESUS)  that which endureth unto

    life everlasting,

    which

    the Son of man(ONLY JESUS) will give you.

    For him(JESUS) hath God, the Father, sealed.(IN THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF THE WORLD)

    28They said therefore unto him:

    What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?

    29Jesus answered and said to them: This is the work of God,

    that you believe in him (JESUS the Son of Man)

    whom he (THE TRUE GOD, UNKNOWN!) hath sent.

    OK t8.

    ETERNAL LIFE IS

    NOT

    to know

    the only true God and Jesus Christ

     

    BUT: JUST 

    BELIEVE IN ONLY JESUS THE SON OF MAN

    AND ONCE YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS, ETERNAL LIFE ITSELF

    AUTOMATICALLY 

    YOU ENTER

    ETERNAL LIFE! WHILE YOU STILL ARE ON EARTH!

    THAT’S ENOUGH! 

    FOR GOD THE FATHER

    Read please AGAIN in:

    John 11:25 Jesus said to her:

    I am

    the resurrection and the life:

    he that believeth in me,

    although he be dead, ( DEAD IN HIS FLESH AND BLOOD SUBSTANCE LIVING ON EARTH ) shall live: ( IN THE FLESH AND BLOOD SUBSTANCE OF JESUS, WHILE ON EARTH AND BELIEVE IN JESUS, AS HE GAVE US

    HIS FLESH ON HIS RESURRECTION)

    26And every one that liveth and

    BELIEVETH

    IN ME ( JESUS, THE SON OF ME WHILE ON EARTH, )

    shall not die forever (YOU NEVER TASTE DEATH AT ALL, SIMPLY IN A TWINKLING OF AN EYE, FROM DEATH INTO LIFE)

    . Believest thou this? (t8)

     

    IN THE ABOVE WORDS NO GOD THE FATHER IS MENTIONED BY JESUS, ONY HIM, YOU, and HE AS A REFERENCE TO GOD THE FATHER!

    ONLY HIMSELF! WHY?

    SIMPLY, AS ONCE AUTOMATICALLY 

    YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS,

    WITHOUT MENTIONING ANY WORD AS A REFERENCE TO THE TRUE GOD AT ALL, YOU 

    WOULD BE ACCEPTING and PROCLAIMING 

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD WHO

    WALKED ON EARTH.

    THE TRUTH

    OUR LORD GOD AND FATHER JESUS CHRIST!

    (1) THE ONLY TRUE GOD, (2) AND JESUS CHRIST,

    WHOM YOU (FATHER) HAVE SENT!

     

    Peace and love and Jesus Christ

    #864348
    Pilgrim
    Participant

    Christ is “far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet”, and God “gave him to be the head over all things to the church”.

    It was fitting that He should be sent by the Father, the Creator of all things, to assume human nature, and should be tempted by Satan, that He might fulfil the promises, and carry off a glorious and perfect victory.

    Christ did both wage war against our enemy, and crush him who had at the beginning led us all away captives in Adam, and He Christ trampled upon Satan’s head, as foretold in Genesis when God said to the serpent, “And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; He shall be on the bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel.” (Genesis 3:15).

    For from that time, He who should be born of a woman, namely from the Virgin, taking on flesh and blood like Abraham’s seed, was preached bruising the head of the serpent. This is the seed of which the apostle says in the Epistle to the Galatians, that the law of works was established “until the seed should come to whom the promise was made”. (Galatians 3:19). This fact is exhibited in a still clearer light in the same Epistle, where he thus speaks: “But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth His Son, made of a woman” (Galatians 4:4).

    For indeed the enemy would not have been fairly vanquished, unless it had been a man born of a woman who conquered Satan. For it was by means of a woman that he got the advantage over man at first, setting himself up as man’s opponent. And therefore does the Lord profess Himself to be the Son of man, comprising in Himself that original man out of whom the woman was fashioned, in order that, as our species went down to death through a vanquished man, so we may ascend to life again through a victorious man; and as through a man death received victory against us, so again by a man we may receive the victory against death.

    God the Father and His Word (Logos) formed all created things by Their own power and wisdom and the Word of God was made flesh, human, to be suspended upon a tree, as that human, Jesus Christ. He who is The Son of God, received all power from the Father, took flesh upon Him to redeem mankind and reconcile the world back unto Himself and finally bring in just and worthy judgment upon all prior to the establishment of the new heavens and the new earth wherein dwells righteousness.

    The Apostle John speaking by revelation, tells us the WORD who is both God and with God was “in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him, and without Him was nothing made that was made”. (John 1:1, etc). We are told in the WORD is LIFE, Eternal Life, which was with the Father, and this Life lights everyone who comes and has come into the world.  John says of the Word Himself: “He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not. To His own things He came, and His own people received Him not. However, as many as did receive Him, to these gave He power to become the sons of God, to those that believe in His name” (John 1:10, etc). And again, showing us that He had human nature, John said: “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us” (John 1:14). And in continuation he says, “And we beheld His glory, the glory as of the Only-begotten by the Father, full of grace and truth”.

    We clearly see from this scripture the Creator of the world is truly the Word of God: and this is our Lord, who in the last times was made man, existing in this world as man but at the same time as the Word of God governing and arranging all things, “upholding all things by the word of His power”. He came to His own in a visible manner, by being made flesh, and hung upon the tree, that He might sum up all things in Himself. But His own peculiar people did not receive Him for who He is, and therefore did not receive life.

    John thus plainly points out to those willing to hear, that is, to those having ears, that there is one God, the Father over all, and one Word of God, who is both God and with God, who is through all, and is the one by whom all things have been made; and that this world belongs to Him, and was made by Him, according to the Father’s will. Those who do not receive him for who He is do not receive life but to those who “received him, to them” He gives “power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God”.

    Blessings on all who receive Him for who He is.

    #864350
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Amen to that, Pilgrim!

    God bless, LU

    #864359
    carmel
    Participant

    Hi,it’s all messed up. I can’t post

    #864360
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Amen I enjoy blessed fellowship with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ, and know the only true God and Jesus Christ who the Father sent and have tasted that the Lord is gracious and to me He is very precious.

    Awesome. Blessing in Jesus Christ’s name.

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