Born and begotten

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 04 2010,03:26)

Hi Ed, If we know that Jesus is the Lord of lords and King of kings, and we know that the Lord of lords in Rev is the Word of God, then why can't we add 1+1+1 and come up with 3? peace and love, mike

Hi Mike,

You said (in essence) because my views and explanations
of them you have delved deeper into the Scriptures.
Check me out on this one as well! (Acts 17:11)

Though “Jesus is Lord”, he in NO WAY replaces his father as KING OF KINGS and LORD OF LORDS! (Rev.19:11-16)

Psalm 10:16 “THE LORD” is King for ever and ever: the heathen are perished out of his land.
Psalm 20:10 The LORD(YHVH) sitteth upon the flood; yea, “THE LORD” sitteth King for ever.
If “The King” DOES NOT DIE, “The Prince”(Jesus) CANNOT take the Crown as Heir to the Crown!
Rev.1:5: And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness,
and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth.
Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father;
to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Further PROOF…

Heb.13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
John 6:15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would
come and take him by force, to make him a king, he
departed again into a mountain himself alone.

The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.

            HolySpirit is “GOD:The Father” of Jesus Christ

Jn:14:28: Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice,
because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Jn:10:29: My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all;
and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 04 2010,03:26)

Hi Ed, If we know that Jesus is the Lord of lords and King of kings, and we know that the Lord of lords in Rev is the Word of God, then why can't we add 1+1+1 and come up with 3? peace and love, mike

Hi Mike,

“The Word”: is the “HolySpirit” NOT Jesus!

Deut.6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: YHVH GOD is One!
“FATHER:The Word” known in us believers of “HolySpirit“!

Luke 8:5…11 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side;
and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it. And some fell upon a rock;
and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.
And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.
And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold.
And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be? And he said,
Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others
in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
Now the parable is this: “The seed” is “the word“ of God.

Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but
the word(TheSeed “IS” HolySpirit) of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son(Jesus Christ), who is consecrated for evermore.

Understand the meaning of this Parable…
The Lies of 'the systems of religion and traditions of men' are going to END!

Matt.21:33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder(GOD The Father),
which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower,
and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: And when the time of the fruit drew near,
he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen
took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. Again, he sent other servants
more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying,
They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves,
This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him,
and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh,
what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men,
and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected,
the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing
forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone(Rev.2:17 / Zech.3:9) shall be broken:
but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

Zech.3:9: For behold the stone(Rev.2:17) that I have laid before Joshua(Jesus); upon
one stone(Rev.2:17) shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof,
saith the LORD of Hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
Psalm 118:24: This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.
Psalm10:15: Break thou the arm of the wicked and the evil man: seek out his wickedness till thou find none.

God bless
Ed J (AKJV Daniel 11:18 / Eccl.9:12-16 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
“Witnessing” (Joshua 22:34) to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[GeneBalthrop]

Mike…………ED J is right, The Father and HIS word are one and the Same , John 1:1, is saying the in the beginning (of all things) was God and the word (intelligent utterance) was with God, and it was GOD. A Word is the very expression of the Mind of GOD or Man. Jesus is not being referenced there at all. God and his word are one and the same , just as you and your word are one and the same brother. IMO

peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ July 04 2010,08:47)

Hi Mike, You said (in essence) because my views and explanations of them you have delved deeper into the Scriptures. Check me out on this one as well! (Acts 17:11) Though “Jesus is Lord”, he in NO WAY replaces his father as KING OF KINGS and LORD OF LORDS! (Rev.19:11-16) Psalm 10:16 “THE LORD” is King for ever and ever: the heathen are perished out of his land. Psalm 20:10 The LORD(YHVH) sitteth upon the flood; yea, “THE LORD” sitteth King for ever. If “The King” DOES NOT DIE, “The Prince”(Jesus) CANNOT take the Crown as Heir to the Crown! Rev.1:5: And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Hi Ed,

      No, the 1+1+1=3 did NOT have to do with the trinity!  

You hit me with a lot of info at once, so let's start here with the above.

IMO, Jehovah always was and always will be the King and Lord above all others.  But He has placed His Son in the very esteemed postiton of King above all others except Himself.

Think Nebuchadnezzar.  He appointed Zedekiah as King of Judah even though he had captured Jerusalem and was Judah's REAL King.  Zedikiah was like a “puppet king” and Nebuchadnezzar pulled the strings.  Until he rebelled.  Then Nebuchadnezzar killed his family in front of him and poked out his eyes.  Wow, what a last sight to remember for the rest of your life!  Anyway, what do you think?  Does Jesus being made King of kings in some way make it so that Jehovah can't still be King of everything?  Your own scripture talks of many kings and priests. 

peace and love,
mike

ps  Ed, if you want to start a discussion about this in length, set up a debate thread.  We can look at it one point at a time and maybe both of us learn something new, okay?     I'll be honest though, my main focus these days is my two debates with Keith and my soon to start one with Jack.

pps  I like the (in essence) you posted.     I have to do that too in case I misquote certain people by one word and they have a hissy about it.  

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 04 2010,13:03)

Mike…………ED J  is right,  The Father and HIS word are one and the Same , John 1:1, is saying the in the beginning (of all things) was God and the word (intelligent utterance) was with God, and it was GOD. A Word is the very expression of the Mind of GOD or Man. Jesus is not being referenced there at all. God and his word are one and the same , just as you and your word are one and the same brother. IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene

Hi Gene,

First, why would it need to be said that God's “Words” were “with Him”? If you are what you say, as you claim, then it would be like saying, “The man walked over here, and his legs were with him”.

Second, Irene has pointed out to you many times that Rev makes clear that the same one who is the Lord of lords is the Word of God.

peace and love,
mike

[GeneBalthrop]

Mike……….First of all, Rev. says He shall or is called the word of God, However Jesus said the word He spoke were not (HIS) Words , So Whose words were they then?, (GOD'S) words, He was telling us. So GOD and HIS Word is still one and the Same Thing. No matter Who speeks them Right , you can even speak them as well as I and does that make you or I the Word of GOD, Do we (Own) those Word or are we quoting them, the same way Jesus was. Now if i (quote) someone else's word then obviously those word i (quoted) were not mine and they did not (originate) with me. So am i those word NO , neither was Jesus. IMO

So we need to question What is meant by (and the word became flesh). In what (sense) did it become Flesh, To me it is saying the Word (CAME TO BE) (IN) Flesh, this would meet the (idea) that the word became flesh. Another thing we all Know a Word truly can (NOT) be flesh as no flesh is a word. Words are Spirit and therefore can not be Flesh. Just as our Word are not our flesh neither can GOD Words (BE) Flesh. IMO

peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene

[Oxy]

There is no way you can Scripturally prove that the Word is the Holy Spirit Ed, especially when the Scriptures clearly point out that the Word became flesh. The Holy Spirit is NOT flesh!

[Ed J]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 04 2010,13:03)

Mike…………ED J  is right,  The Father and HIS word are one and the Same , John 1:1, is saying the in the beginning (of all things) was God and the word (intelligent utterance) was with God, and it was GOD. A Word is the very expression of the Mind of GOD or Man. Jesus is not being referenced there at all. God and his word are one and the same , just as you and your word are one and the same brother. IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene

Hi brother Gene,

Thanks for the support!
The brainwashing's of 'systems of religion'
and 'traditions of men' are very hard to deprogram brother!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 04 2010,13:19)

Hi Ed, pps  I like the (in essence) you posted.     I have to do that too in case I misquote certain people by one word and they have a hissy about it.

Hi Mike,

As I told you by PM many months ago it is NOT as important
if they understand what you say, but that they DON'T misunderstand; remember?
The (in essence) part is used as wording insurance, so that the wording can't be twisted by 'the sape'.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Oxy @ July 04 2010,16:38)

There is no way you can Scripturally prove that the Word is the Holy Spirit Ed, especially when the Scriptures clearly point out that the Word became flesh.  The Holy Spirit is NOT flesh!

Hi Oxy,

You mean there's no way I can prove it 'to you'! Why? Let me tell 'you' why…
'don't bother me(Oxy) with the FACTS, because I(Oxt) already have my mind made up'; That's why!

Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Oxy]

Quote (Ed J @ July 04 2010,20:05)

Quote (Oxy @ July 04 2010,16:38) There is no way you can Scripturally prove that the Word is the Holy Spirit Ed, especially when the Scriptures clearly point out that the Word became flesh.  The Holy Spirit is NOT flesh! Hi Oxy, You mean there's no way I can prove it 'to you'! Why? Let me tell 'you' why… 'don't bother me(Oxy) with the FACTS, because I(Oxt) already have my mind made up'; That's why! Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed, there's a lot I don't know, but there are some things I do know. I will not deny the things the Lord has taught me through the Scriptures.

And when I say He taught me, that's EXACTLY what He did. He showed me where to go and explained what I was reading. This is not unusual as it has happened quite a number of times over the years.

[Ed J]

Quote (Oxy @ July 04 2010,18:34)

Quote (Ed J @ July 04 2010,20:05) Quote (Oxy @ July 04 2010,16:38) There is no way you can Scripturally prove that the Word is the Holy Spirit Ed, especially when the Scriptures clearly point out that the Word became flesh.  The Holy Spirit is NOT flesh! Hi Oxy, You mean there's no way I can prove it 'to you'! Why? Let me tell 'you' why… 'don't bother me(Oxy) with the FACTS, because I(Oxt) already have my mind made up'; That's why! Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed, there's a lot I don't know, but there are some things I do know.  I will not deny the things the Lord has taught me through the Scriptures. And when I say He taught me, that's EXACTLY what He did.  He showed me where to go and explained what I was reading.  This is not unusual as it has happened quite a number of times over the years.

Hi Oxy,

Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us (Job 36:2) reason together, saith the LORD…

I started with something very simple to reason things out with you.
You said that “The Bible” is not (according to you) “The Word of God”.
So I plainly illustrated that it's “IN FACT” the very “Word of God” written!
You reject this PROOF (Psalm 68:11), though I give much Scriptural backing?
How are we going to reason together if you're going to turn your back to facts?

Think about it!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Oxy]

It seems we are at loggerheads Ed because that's exactly how I feel about you. It seems that no matter what I say or what Scriptural evidence I give you, you choose to ignore it. Shall we call it a stalemate?

[Ed J]

Quote (Oxy @ July 04 2010,18:58)

It seems we are at loggerheads Ed because that's exactly how I feel about you.     It seems that no matter what I say or what Scriptural evidence I give you, you choose to ignore it.  Shall we call it a stalemate?

Hi Oxy,

Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD…
Let us start with this one (as I have many for you to explain)
as an offer of PROOF that “The Word” is the “HolySpirit”.

Please explain how “The Word” in this verse isn't (according to you) The “HolySpirit?
Zech.4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD
unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

Looking forward to your response!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Oxy @ July 04 2010,18:58)

It seems we are at loggerheads Ed because that's exactly how I feel about you.     It seems that no matter what I say or what Scriptural evidence I give you, you choose to ignore it.  Shall we call it a stalemate?

Hi Oxy,

Produce more evidence than, we can reason them out.
Besides why aren't you commenting on what I have produced?
If you can't demonstrate how those verses I Posted align with your belief,
then why don't you at least consider the possibility that my view may in fact be “Truth”!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Hi Ed and Gene,

How do you explain the many times God's “word” is plural?

Numbers 11:23
The LORD answered, ” I can do anything! Watch and you'll see my words come true.”

Exodus 24:3
When Moses went and told the people all the LORD's words and laws, they responded with one voice, “Everything the LORD has said we will do.”

There are many instances like the above. Are there more than one Holy Spirit?

peace and love,
mike

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2010,01:16)

Hi Ed and Gene, How do you explain the many times God's “word” is plural?   Numbers 11:23 The LORD answered, ” I can do anything! Watch and you'll see my words come true.” Exodus 24:3 When Moses went and told the people all the LORD's words and laws, they responded with one voice, “Everything the LORD has said we will do.” There are many instances like the above.  Are there more than one Holy Spirit? peace and love, mike

Hi Mike,

If we take a picture of you, that is you (in essence);
now if we take more pictures of you, is there then more of you?
God's word and His words are the essence of him; one God has many parts.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ July 05 2010,05:40)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2010,01:16) Hi Ed and Gene, How do you explain the many times God's “word” is plural?   Numbers 11:23 The LORD answered, ” I can do anything! Watch and you'll see my words come true.” Exodus 24:3 When Moses went and told the people all the LORD's words and laws, they responded with one voice, “Everything the LORD has said we will do.” There are many instances like the above.  Are there more than one Holy Spirit? peace and love, mike Hi Mike, If we take a picture of you, that is you (in essence); now if we take more pictures of you, is there then more of you? God's word and His words are the essence of him; one God has many parts. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

So if God spoke 20 words to the Isrealites, are each one of them a separate Holy Spirit?

mike

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2010,08:55)

So if God spoke 20 words to the Isrealites, are each one of them a separate Holy Spirit? mike

Hi Mike,

No; If God is in thousands and thousands of people and more
are added, they are NOT going to get a smaller piece of God.
Nor does adding words make more of God, He is everything.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ July 05 2010,09:28)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2010,08:55) So if God spoke 20 words to the Isrealites, are each one of them a separate Holy Spirit? mike Hi Mike, No; If God is in thousands and thousands of people and more are added, they are NOT going to get a smaller piece of God. Nor does adding words make more of God, He is everything. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

mike

God is not in people,well i do not believe it ,but if you can show me scriptures i be glad to look at them

Pierre

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