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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 06 2012,09:33) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 05 2012,12:31) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 05 2012,10:12) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 04 2012,12:09) when are you going to understand that God does NOT reside in men or in any corrupted body or soul,only the devil likes to do that ,
Terricca…………Wrong God does indwell men, or haven't you read where it say that God may be all in all and through all God lives vicariously in and through his creation> You problem here is you simply do not understand what Spirit is Pierre. IMOpeace and love to you and yours………………………………gene
GENEif what you say is true THEN THE ENTIRE SCRIPTURES AND THE LAW OF MOSES ARE COMPLETELY USELESS AND VOID,AND ALL THINS WERE A WAIST OF TIME ,
NOW YOU CAN THINK ABOUT WHAT I JUST SAY ,AND TRY TO PROVE ME WRONG
Terricca…………>Eph 4-6….> One God and Father of “all” who is above “all”, and “through” “all”, and “IN” you “ALL?There is you answer Pierre. Want More?
Eph 4:23-24………> And be renewed in the “spirit” of your “mind” ; And that you put on the “new man” which after “God” is “CREATED” in righteousness and “true holiness”.
Want More
2 Cor 1:21 ……> Now he which establishes us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us “is God”; who has also “SEALED” is and given the earnest of the Spirit “IN” our Hearts.
Want More
1 Cor 15:28…….> And when all thing shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him. that God may be all and “IN” (ALL).
Peace and love to you and yours Pierre…………………………gene
geneyou claim from scriptures what is not said ,not understood ,and not teached ,
SO YOU ARE WRONG ALL THE WAY,
all the scriptures you quoted are telling you that unless you have changed you way of thinking and your way of acting ,and replace it with the knowledge of God and apply it ,
you would have nothing ;so what is in you if you obey is the will of God and it is in this way that you can be blessed ,and come to the understanding of his written word,
Eph 4:23-24………> And be RENEWED in the “spirit” of your “mind” ; And that you put on the “new man” which after “God” is “CREATED” in righteousness and “true holiness”.
Eph 4:1 As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received.
Eph 4:3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace.
Eph 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to one hope when you were called2Co 1:18 But as surely as God is faithful, our message to you is not “Yes” and “No.”
2Co 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by me and Silas and Timothy, was not “Yes” and “No,” but in him it has always been “Yes.”1Co 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me.
1Co 15:11 Whether, then, it was I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believedTHE PREACHING IS DONE FOR THE PURPOSE OF TEACHING THE WILL OF GOD,AND THE ONE HE SEND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST,SO THAT ANYONE THAT BECOME A DISCIPLE LIVES THE LIVE ACCORDING TO GODS WILL AND SO HIS LIVE IS IN GOD AND GOD IN HIM (THE WILL,THE KNOWLEDGE ,THE LOVE FOR GOD,)
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 06 2012,11:49) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 06 2012,09:33) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 05 2012,12:31) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 05 2012,10:12) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 04 2012,12:09) when are you going to understand that God does NOT reside in men or in any corrupted body or soul,only the devil likes to do that ,
Terricca…………Wrong God does indwell men, or haven't you read where it say that God may be all in all and through all God lives vicariously in and through his creation> You problem here is you simply do not understand what Spirit is Pierre. IMOpeace and love to you and yours………………………………gene
GENEif what you say is true THEN THE ENTIRE SCRIPTURES AND THE LAW OF MOSES ARE COMPLETELY USELESS AND VOID,AND ALL THINS WERE A WAIST OF TIME ,
NOW YOU CAN THINK ABOUT WHAT I JUST SAY ,AND TRY TO PROVE ME WRONG
Terricca…………>Eph 4-6….> One God and Father of “all” who is above “all”, and “through” “all”, and “IN” you “ALL?There is you answer Pierre. Want More?
Eph 4:23-24………> And be renewed in the “spirit” of your “mind” ; And that you put on the “new man” which after “God” is “CREATED” in righteousness and “true holiness”.
Want More
2 Cor 1:21 ……> Now he which establishes us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us “is God”; who has also “SEALED” is and given the earnest of the Spirit “IN” our Hearts.
Want More
1 Cor 15:28…….> And when all thing shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him. that God may be all and “IN” (ALL).
Peace and love to you and yours Pierre…………………………gene
geneyou claim from scriptures what is not said ,not understood ,and not teached ,
SO YOU ARE WRONG ALL THE WAY,
Terriccal………..So you deny the PLAIN Scriptures I have Quoted from the Bible to you, What parts of those scriptures you fail to understand Pierre.Pierre you have been “indoctrinated” many years ago brother, and you need to come put of those false teaching you have bought into.
You want to make your religion about yourself,and your own so-called “freewill” choices so you can glorify yourself as your own savior through you own “freewill choices”, an nothing could be further from the truth, Pierre
for he (God) work in us “both” to “will” and “do” of (HIS) good pleasure. and again It is not of him that “WILLS” but of GOD”. That is who establishes Us Pierre, Not US> IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………………….gene
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 05 2012,17:54) Sheol/Hades are the common grave of the souls of humanity.
I agree with that, Kerwin.NETBible translates Sheol as “grave”, and adds this footnote:
Hebrew: “Sheol,” the dwelling place of the dead.
Take that for what it's worth.
gene
Quote Terriccal………..So you deny the PLAIN Scriptures I have Quoted from the Bible to you, What parts of those scriptures you fail to understand Pierre. Pierre you have been “indoctrinated” many years ago brother, and you need to come put of those false teaching you have bought into.
You want to make your religion about yourself,and your own so-called “freewill” choices so you can glorify yourself as your own savior through you own “freewill choices”, an nothing could be further from the truth, Pierre
for he (God) work in us “both” to “will” and “do” of (HIS) good pleasure. and again It is not of him that “WILLS” but of GOD”. That is who establishes Us Pierre, Not US> IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………………….gene
you have many issues in your believe that you claim to be in the scriptures and are not ,we have discuss this many times ,and yet you still ask me to believe in those faulty erroneous views ,what does not allow some one to come to the full understanding of scriptures and so never come to know God and his son ,sad.:(
Terricca…….> I do not expect you to believe me, but to deny the posted scriptures is another thing. We should not use scriptures to create “doubtful disputations” anyway, let every man be convinced in his own mind what he or she believes. So whatever Pierre, may God bless you and keep you Brother.
peace and love to you and yours Pierre……………………………………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 08 2012,10:45) Terricca…….> I do not expect you to believe me, but to deny the posted scriptures is another thing. We should not use scriptures to create “doubtful disputations” anyway, let every man be convinced in his own mind what he or she believes. So whatever Pierre, may God bless you and keep you Brother. peace and love to you and yours Pierre……………………………………………………..gene
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I have shown you all the context to your scripture and prove you that you were wrong,Go back and see all can see if I lied but I have said the truth
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 08 2012,05:59) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 08 2012,10:45) Terricca…….> I do not expect you to believe me, but to deny the posted scriptures is another thing. We should not use scriptures to create “doubtful disputations” anyway, let every man be convinced in his own mind what he or she believes. So whatever Pierre, may God bless you and keep you Brother. peace and love to you and yours Pierre……………………………………………………..gene
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I have shown you all the context to your scripture and prove you that you were wrong,Go back and see all can see if I lied but I have said the truth
Terricca………Why did you leave out, 2 Co 1:21 > in you presentation? is it becasue it goes against what you are saying. Because it shows us that it is GOD “alone” who establishes Us and Keep us.Let me quote it for you and see if you can change it also around.
2 Co 1:20-21……> Now he which “establishes' us with you in Christ. and has “anointed” us, is “GOD”. (21) who has also “SEALED” us and given the earnest of the “SPIRIT” in our HEARTS>
Non the less Pierre you believe as you want and i will believe as i want , I am not wanting to weaken your Faith brother. Let each be convinced in his or her own mind. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours Pierre…………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 09 2012,02:40) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 08 2012,05:59) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 08 2012,10:45) Terricca…….> I do not expect you to believe me, but to deny the posted scriptures is another thing. We should not use scriptures to create “doubtful disputations” anyway, let every man be convinced in his own mind what he or she believes. So whatever Pierre, may God bless you and keep you Brother. peace and love to you and yours Pierre……………………………………………………..gene
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I have shown you all the context to your scripture and prove you that you were wrong,Go back and see all can see if I lied but I have said the truth
Terricca………Why did you leave out, 2 Co 1:21 > in you presentation? is it becasue it goes against what you are saying. Because it shows us that it is GOD “alone” who establishes Us and Keep us.Let me quote it for you and see if you can change it also around.
2 Co 1:20-21……> Now he which “establishes' us with you in Christ. and has “anointed” us, is “GOD”. (21) who has also “SEALED” us and given the earnest of the “SPIRIT” in our HEARTS>
Non the less Pierre you believe as you want and i will believe as i want , I am not wanting to weaken your Faith brother. Let each be convinced in his or her own mind. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours Pierre…………………………….gene
The word God and Jesus and the scriptures has been mentioned a lot so far.
Claiming to know him,but at the same time ignoring scriptures,so far. When the scriptures painly said that NO MAN KNOWS THE FATHER AND THE SON.
YOU ARE DISAGREEING WITH THE SCRIPTURES,but that does not matter,for we can analyse God and Jesus,for we are intelligent.wakeup.
Wakeup,
Galatians 1:16
King James Version (KJV)16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Who is God's Son in Paul?
Is it Jesus or the Spirit of Christ?
We are elsewhere taught that only the Spirit of God knows the deep things of God.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 09 2012,09:40) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 08 2012,05:59) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 08 2012,10:45) Terricca…….> I do not expect you to believe me, but to deny the posted scriptures is another thing. We should not use scriptures to create “doubtful disputations” anyway, let every man be convinced in his own mind what he or she believes. So whatever Pierre, may God bless you and keep you Brother. peace and love to you and yours Pierre……………………………………………………..gene
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I have shown you all the context to your scripture and prove you that you were wrong,Go back and see all can see if I lied but I have said the truth
Terricca………Why did you leave out, 2 Co 1:21 > in you presentation? is it becasue it goes against what you are saying. Because it shows us that it is GOD “alone” who establishes Us and Keep us.Let me quote it for you and see if you can change it also around.
2 Co 1:20-21……> Now he which “establishes' us with you in Christ. and has “anointed” us, is “GOD”. (21) who has also “SEALED” us and given the earnest of the “SPIRIT” in our HEARTS>
Non the less Pierre you believe as you want and i will believe as i want , I am not wanting to weaken your Faith brother. Let each be convinced in his or her own mind. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours Pierre…………………………….gene
gene2Co 1:16 I planned to visit you on my way to Macedonia and to come back to you from Macedonia, and then to have you send me on my way to Judea.
2Co 1:17 When I planned this, did I do it lightly? Or do I make my plans in a worldly manner so that in the same breath I say, “Yes, yes” and “No, no”?
2Co 1:18 But as surely as God is faithful, our message to you is not “Yes” and “No.”
2Co 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by me and Silas and Timothy, was not “Yes” and “No,” but in him it has always been “Yes.”
2Co 1:20 For no matter how many promises God has made, they are “Yes” in Christ. And so through him the “Amen” is spoken by us to the glory of God.
2Co 1:21 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us,
2Co 1:22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
2Co 1:23 I call God as my witness that it was in order to spare you that I did not return to Corinth.
2Co 1:24 Not that we lord it over your faith, but we work with you for your joy, because it is by faith you stand firm.if you can not understand what Paul is saying ,this is not of my doing ,you looking to change the meaning of scriptures and follow your interpretation making Paul description void,this is on your head not mine
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 10 2012,03:13) Wakeup, Galatians 1:16
King James Version (KJV)16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Who is God's Son in Paul?
Is it Jesus or the Spirit of Christ?
We are elsewhere taught that only the Spirit of God knows the deep things of God.
KGal 1:11 I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up.
Gal 1:12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.
Gal 1:13 For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it.
Gal 1:14 I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews of my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers.
Gal 1:15 But when God, who set me apart from birth and called me by his grace, was pleased
Gal 1:16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not consult any man,
Gal 1:17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went immediately into Arabia and later returned to Damascus.
Gal 1:18 Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Peter and stayed with him fifteen days.it seems that what you try to vindicate is not in scriptures if we look in the context ,so what you intend is showing an opinion of that scripture right
yes Terricca…………. To say it is not in scripture is a LIE, i quoted directly from scripture. But you cant see the Points can you?, so You can quote a Hundred scriptures that have nothing to do with the Point i and Paul in 2 Cor 1:21 was making. What you do is try to divert attention from subject matter and then try to belittle what is said by posting all kinds of unrelated scriptures trying to make people think you know what you are talking about.. It only show you really do not want to talk about the main issue in that scripture so you throw out all kinds of unrelated scriptures and then make a statement as if you understand the subject being discuss, when in fact you simply have no idea what is being discussed .
Here is the Main issue again of what I and Paul are saying It is God “ALONG” who establishes us even your last bunch of scriptures proves that point. > Gal 1:15…….> But when God, who set me apart “from birth” and called me by his “GRACE”, was pleased.
Pierre it is you trying to vindicate a “SELF WILLED” religion of SELF that is not supported in scripture, even the very scriptures you quote proves it.
And yes i do give an opinion of those scriptures i post, you do have that right at least.
peace and love…………………………………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 10 2012,10:06) Terricca…………. To say it is not in scripture is a LIE, i quoted directly from scripture. But you cant see the Points can you?, so You can quote a Hundred scriptures that have nothing to do with the Point i and Paul in 2 Cor 1:21 was making. What you do is try to divert attention from subject matter and then try to belittle what is said by posting all kinds of unrelated scriptures trying to make people think you know what you are talking about.. It only show you really do not want to talk about main issue in that scripture so you through out all kinds of unrelated scriptures and then make a statement as if you understand the subject being discuss, when in fact you simply have no idea what is being discussed . Here is the Main issue again of what I and Paul are saying It is God “ALONG” who establishes us even your last bunch of scriptures proves that point. > Gal 1:15…….> But when God, who set me apart “from birth” and called me by his “GRACE”, was pleased.
Pierre it is you trying to vindicate a “SELF WILLED” religion of SELF that is not vindicated in scripture, even the very scriptures you quote proves it.
And yes i do give an opinion of those scriptures i post, you do have that right at least.
peace and love…………………………………………………..gene
geneso Paul was forced to accept Gods call
Terricca……….Why are your arguing with Scriptures?, Paul plainly said God set him aside from Birth. So figure it out, It is quite apparent Paul was saying he was predestined to do what he did> Right Pierre?
peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………………………………gene
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 09 2012,19:30) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 10 2012,03:13) Wakeup, Galatians 1:16
King James Version (KJV)16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Who is God's Son in Paul?
Is it Jesus or the Spirit of Christ?
We are elsewhere taught that only the Spirit of God knows the deep things of God.
KGal 1:11 I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up.
Gal 1:12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.
Gal 1:13 For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it.
Gal 1:14 I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews of my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers.
Gal 1:15 But when God, who set me apart from birth and called me by his grace, was pleased
Gal 1:16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not consult any man,
Gal 1:17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went immediately into Arabia and later returned to Damascus.
Gal 1:18 Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Peter and stayed with him fifteen days.it seems that what you try to vindicate is not in scriptures if we look in the context ,so what you intend is showing an opinion of that scripture right
yes
T,I do not see how expanding the quote as you do renders anything I stated to Wakeup as either unsound or invalid. In either case it remains that Paul testifies of God's Son that is in him.
1 Corinthians 2
King James Version (KJV)11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
There is only one that knows the things of God and that one is God's Spirit.
1 Corinthians 2
King James Version (KJV)10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
Since it is the Spirit that reveals them it is the Spirit that first revealed them to Christ and then, through faith in his name and the name of his Father and our Father, to us.
1 Corinthians 2
King James Version (KJV)12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.So who is God's Son in Christ.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 11 2012,19:41) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 09 2012,19:30) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 10 2012,03:13) Wakeup, Galatians 1:16
King James Version (KJV)16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Who is God's Son in Paul?
Is it Jesus or the Spirit of Christ?
We are elsewhere taught that only the Spirit of God knows the deep things of God.
KGal 1:11 I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up.
Gal 1:12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.
Gal 1:13 For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it.
Gal 1:14 I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews of my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers.
Gal 1:15 But when God, who set me apart from birth and called me by his grace, was pleased
Gal 1:16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not consult any man,
Gal 1:17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went immediately into Arabia and later returned to Damascus.
Gal 1:18 Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Peter and stayed with him fifteen days.it seems that what you try to vindicate is not in scriptures if we look in the context ,so what you intend is showing an opinion of that scripture right
yes
T,I do not see how expanding the quote as you do renders anything I stated to Wakeup as either unsound or invalid. In either case it remains that Paul testifies of God's Son that is in him.
1 Corinthians 2
King James Version (KJV)11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
There is only one that knows the things of God and that one is God's Spirit.
1 Corinthians 2
King James Version (KJV)10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
Since it is the Spirit that reveals them it is the Spirit that first revealed them to Christ and then, through faith in his name and the name of his Father and our Father, to us.
1 Corinthians 2
King James Version (KJV)12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.So who is God's Son in Christ.
KFirst Paul was a Pharisee ,so he knew the word of God ,sinse birth ,and was thought by the best of teacher ,Gamaleel ,
So what Paul said at to be applied in the way that Christ appeared to him and chok the world out of him ,but wen he went to Damas and saw the disciple ,that thought him who was Christ ,,,,,then the knowledge he add received came all together and understood ,he also then understood why And what Christ was expecting from him,because he was devoted to his God,and now he will devoting himself to the call he directly RECEIVE from Christ himself,
So nothing from his previous knowledge was lost ,but now he ad acquired the understanding of Christ ,and it is in this way that Christ became to be in him,
No men can know the things of God exept the thing God is willing to give,
1Corth 2. Says spiritual things ,this only means the things that relate to God and his son,and can not be compared to anything else ,
Under no condition Christ or his father are literally climbing in you,me,us,it is only because we are acquiring there knowledge and place it in our heart and mind ,and so they are in us,as we live according to their will.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2012,00:23) T, So then you believe the Son in Paul is the Spirit.
Kyes it is the spirit of Christ ,that is made to become the light inside of Paul ,
but to the righteous God and his son always can communicate ,because they have a common channel open ,THAT IS THE TRUE KNOWLEDGE OF THEM
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 14 2012,17:26) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2012,00:23) T, So then you believe the Son in Paul is the Spirit.
Kyes it is the spirit of Christ ,that is made to become the light inside of Paul ,
but to the righteous God and his son always can communicate ,because they have a common channel open ,THAT IS THE TRUE KNOWLEDGE OF THEM
T,You are correct that the Spirit teaches us true knowledge.
I was hoping that you would see that the Spirit is called the Son; even as Jesus is; because it is the Spirit that makes Jesus the Son; even as it makes believers sons.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 15 2012,22:26) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 14 2012,17:26) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 12 2012,00:23) T, So then you believe the Son in Paul is the Spirit.
Kyes it is the spirit of Christ ,that is made to become the light inside of Paul ,
but to the righteous God and his son always can communicate ,because they have a common channel open ,THAT IS THE TRUE KNOWLEDGE OF THEM
T,You are correct that the Spirit teaches us true knowledge.
I was hoping that you would see that the Spirit is called the Son; even as Jesus is; because it is the Spirit that makes Jesus the Son; even as it makes believers sons.
Kwhat you say is not true to scriptures,Jesus was and is the only true begotten son of God,
and as for being called SONS of God only two kind are possible one ,those who are part of the heavenly call 144k.
and secondly ,those who will remain on earth as sons just as Adam first man was a son of God ,
so the spirit as you try to show is a son is false ,being in full knowledge of God and the son means that you are recognize them in their respective possition ,and to obey them as it is written of them in the words of God and of the disciples of Christ the only son of God.
Mary was a surrogate mother ,for the son of God
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