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Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2012,00:04) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,19:07) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 24 2012,09:44) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,16:36) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 24 2012,08:24) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2012,10:13) You have it completely backward, the whole concept of God being a “PERSON” or an “individual Being” is the Metaphor.
I disagree Gene. God is most definitely a being, complete with a soul, jealousy, love, anger, faithfulness, etc. Were we not made in His image?
Hi Mike,The only reason that God was ever defined as a person,
was because of “Trinitarians” usage of that word. Applied
new meanings will always eventually end up in the dictionary. …using these types of definitions to prove a point 'IS FLAWED'!!
When using these types of definitions to the trins
Kieth and Jack – they see it as “you proving them right” …but you overlook this FACT in your dialog with them.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J
edjare you saying that God almighty is not a being
?
PIERRENo, that is what you are saying.
What “I” said is: God is an entity,
not a person; a person is a human.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjI did not say anything this was my question to you ,
but you right I do believe that God almighty his a being not part of an entity ,if so he would not be a creator ,and we know he his the only source of creation ,right
Yesor
?Entity may refer to:
Entity, a unit
a part of an Entity-relationship model or Entity-relationship diagram
Character entity reference in HTML, XML or SGML
Entity (netlabel), a Belgian netlabel specialising in experimental electronic music
Legal Entity, an entity that can bear legal rights and obligations.
Entity class, in computer programming a class that represents a thing.
The Entity, the espionage agency of the Vatican City.witch is it
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Hi Pierre,Entity:
1. a being, existence; especially :independent, separate, or self-contained existence2. something that exists by itself that has separate and distinct existence and objective or conceptual reality
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgMike………..God who is a Spirit can as all spirits can inter a person or leave them . Rather clean or unclean , There is a differences between a Soul, and a Spirit. a living soul is a individual Person, i.e a man, or angel, while a Spirit can enter a Soul and effect it life . As God was “IN” Jesus reconciling the world unto himself.
Face it Mike you simply do not believe what Jesus said and then you seek to say others are “TWISTING” scriptures when in fact it is YOU TWISTING what Jesus said over and over and what Thomas also said. Not to mention it being said God can Be in all and through all at the same time Mike you deny God is omnipresent, So, who do you pray to when you pray, seeing to you He is not omnipresent. Mike face it you have no idea what a Spirit is and there in lies our Problem here.
As i have said the Metaphor is God and Satan viewed as a Person like a Man, instead of a SPIRIT . Big Difference!> You have your Metaphor thing backwards. Mike, God a Spirit was and is “TRULY” “IN” Jesus and all who have His spirit “IN” Them. I have shown you over and over here scriptures, where God was Speaking first person through Jesus' mouth . Bottom line is you simply do not Believe what Jesus said but have to alter his words to meet your own dogmas. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………gene
Kerwin, you are talking nonsense again.
Ed, what word is the root word of “personality”?
Gene, go write novels to someone else for a while.
You are the ONLY one on this site who believes God and Satan are not beings.
You are the ONLY one on this site that doesn't believe the scripture that tells us angels ARE spirits.
You are the ONLY one on this site who doesn't believe in free will.
What does that tell you, Gene?
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 25 2012,07:21) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2012,00:04) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,19:07) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 24 2012,09:44) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,16:36) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 24 2012,08:24) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2012,10:13) You have it completely backward, the whole concept of God being a “PERSON” or an “individual Being” is the Metaphor.
I disagree Gene. God is most definitely a being, complete with a soul, jealousy, love, anger, faithfulness, etc. Were we not made in His image?
Hi Mike,The only reason that God was ever defined as a person,
was because of “Trinitarians” usage of that word. Applied
new meanings will always eventually end up in the dictionary. …using these types of definitions to prove a point 'IS FLAWED'!!
When using these types of definitions to the trins
Kieth and Jack – they see it as “you proving them right” …but you overlook this FACT in your dialog with them.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J
edjare you saying that God almighty is not a being
?
PIERRENo, that is what you are saying.
What “I” said is: God is an entity,
not a person; a person is a human.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjI did not say anything this was my question to you ,
but you right I do believe that God almighty his a being not part of an entity ,if so he would not be a creator ,and we know he his the only source of creation ,right
Yesor
?Entity may refer to:
Entity, a unit
a part of an Entity-relationship model or Entity-relationship diagram
Character entity reference in HTML, XML or SGML
Entity (netlabel), a Belgian netlabel specialising in experimental electronic music
Legal Entity, an entity that can bear legal rights and obligations.
Entity class, in computer programming a class that represents a thing.
The Entity, the espionage agency of the Vatican City.witch is it
?
Hi Pierre,Entity:
1. a being, existence; especially :independent, separate, or self-contained existence2. something that exists by itself that has separate and distinct existence and objective or conceptual reality
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
and you have disqualified God of being a being
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2012,06:47) Ed, what word is the root word of “personality”?
Hi Mike,Person …A dog has personality, is a dog 'a person'?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2012,07:40) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 25 2012,07:21) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2012,00:04) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,19:07) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 24 2012,09:44) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,16:36) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 24 2012,08:24) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2012,10:13) You have it completely backward, the whole concept of God being a “PERSON” or an “individual Being” is the Metaphor.
I disagree Gene. God is most definitely a being, complete with a soul, jealousy, love, anger, faithfulness, etc. Were we not made in His image?
Hi Mike,The only reason that God was ever defined as a person,
was because of “Trinitarians” usage of that word. Applied
new meanings will always eventually end up in the dictionary. …using these types of definitions to prove a point 'IS FLAWED'!!
When using these types of definitions to the trins
Kieth and Jack – they see it as “you proving them right” …but you overlook this FACT in your dialog with them.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J
edjare you saying that God almighty is not a being
?
PIERRENo, that is what you are saying.
What “I” said is: God is an entity,
not a person; a person is a human.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjI did not say anything this was my question to you ,
but you right I do believe that God almighty his a being not part of an entity ,if so he would not be a creator ,and we know he his the only source of creation ,right
Yesor
?Entity may refer to:
Entity, a unit
a part of an Entity-relationship model or Entity-relationship diagram
Character entity reference in HTML, XML or SGML
Entity (netlabel), a Belgian netlabel specialising in experimental electronic music
Legal Entity, an entity that can bear legal rights and obligations.
Entity class, in computer programming a class that represents a thing.
The Entity, the espionage agency of the Vatican City.witch is it
?
Hi Pierre,Entity:
1. a being, existence; especially :independent, separate, or self-contained existence2. something that exists by itself that has separate and distinct existence and objective or conceptual reality
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
and you have disqualified God of being a being
PIERRE,That's the first definition – up your comprehension skills, my friend.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orged
Quote PIERRE, That's the first definition – up your comprehension skills, my friend.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)are you going to drag me through the entire definition s of all the dictionaries
like Kerwin does I am not ready yet for that ,I will probably never be ready for it ,:D
I BELIEVE THAT WHAT EVER GOD ALMITHY CREATED ,IN SOME WAY HE POSSES IT AS WELL,Ps 94:9 Does he who implanted the ear not hear?
Does he who formed the eye not see? how can you not believe in the LOVE of our creatorHi Pierre, here is what the bible is saying…
1. Owner …Kurios …Jesus …which was
2. Creator …Theos …Jehovah …and is
3. Ruler …Pantokrator …HolySpirit …and is to come(1)Holy, (2)holy, (3)holy,
(1)Lord (2)God (3)Almighty,
(1)which was, (2)and is, (3)and is to come. (Rev 4:8)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 25 2012,21:12) Hi Pierre, here is what the bible is saying… 1. Owner …Kurios …Jesus …which was
2. Creator …Theos …Jehovah …and is
3. Ruler …Pantokrator …HolySpirit …and is to come(1)Holy, (2)holy, (3)holy,
(1)Lord (2)God (3)Almighty,
(1)which was, (2)and is, (3)and is to come. (Rev 4:8)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edyou are mixing the tools with the beings ,
so clear up or drop it
Mike,
I am not speaking nonsense you just have trouble understanding the mechanics of English. All I did is to replace a word with one of its definitions and tell me you can not understand it.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2012,06:47) Kerwin, you are talking nonsense again. Ed, what word is the root word of “personality”?
Gene, go write novels to someone else for a while.
You are the ONLY one on this site who believes God and Satan are not beings.
You are the ONLY one on this site that doesn't believe the scripture that tells us angels ARE spirits.
You are the ONLY one on this site who doesn't believe in free will.
What does that tell you, Gene?
Mike………..As i figured you just ignored the whole thing i Wrote because you simply can not properly respond to it, and use the excuse of a Novel thing to Just ignore the truth i posted. Good trick, but only you buy into it. Then you proceed to lie about what i say.Where have i said God and Satan are not “beings” I said they are not being as you percieve them like a Man for instance. They exist in a Spirit state and can enter or leave a person they are as Jesus said God was “A SPIRIT” . Lets face it Mike You do not believe Jesus or Me when we say GOD was truly “IN” Jesus That is not a Metaphor Mike, but a reality Just ask Thomas who came to finely understand that. You are lagging behind in you understanding of these things.
I have quoted so many places where Jesus affirms these “FACTS” and you still refuse to believe Him or Me .
Your so-called “many” definitions of the word Spirit is a major stumbling block for you IMO>
And Angels are not Spirit “BEINGS” they are “BEINGS with GOD Made Spirits “in” them Just as we are.
As far as FREEWILL Goes, Show me “one” Scripture that says a man has a So-called “FREEWILL” or a WILL that is FREE “IN” Him the key being the word “IN” . You or no one has produced it yet , why is that Mike if you and everyone else is so right?
“O” and Show me where any scripture say angels “ARE” SPIRIT Beings. Because God make their Spirits “IN” them does not make them SPIRITS themselves, now does it MIKE ?
Mike i am not the only one who has believe these thing here either. The ones that did, got tired of your constant belittlement and left the site , that all. You single handedly have driven more people off this site them anyone i recall, They only ones you want here are fellow “PREEXISTENCES” , Who are just as confused as your are. IMO
peace and love…………………………………………..gene
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,15:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2012,06:47) Ed, what word is the root word of “personality”?
Hi Mike,Person …A dog has personality, is a dog 'a person'?
Ed,Hebrews 9:24 NWT
For Christ entered, not into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us.Now, before you go off on a NWT slam, consider that your precious KJV translates the same Greek word used in Heb 9:24 above as “PERSON” in the following seven verses:
Matt 22:16
Mark 12:14
Luke 20:21
2 Cor 1:11
2 Cor 2:10
Gal 2:6
Jude 1:16Also, consider these words from the 25 scholars of NETNotes:
The construction in John 1:1c does not equate the Word with the person of God (this is ruled out by 1:1b, “the Word was with God”)
It seems that the NETNote scholars also believe God is a person.
Also, consider this information:
Americans hold many different beliefs about the characteristics of God, but the belief that God is a person rather than an impersonal force is one of the most common. According to a 2011 PRRI poll, 70% of Americans say that the statement “God is a person with whom people can have a relationship” comes closest to describing their view of God. It's unlikely that any other attribute of God would achieve that much agreement.
Ed, I am one of the 70% of Americans that believe I can have a PERSONal relationship with God because He is a PERSON. How can YOU have a PERSONal relationship with Him if you don't even believe He is a PERSON?
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 25 2012,02:55) Mike, I am not speaking nonsense you just have trouble understanding the mechanics of English. All I did is to replace a word with one of its definitions and tell me you can not understand it.
Kerwin,Get back to me when you can form a sentence from the Greek words that actually makes sense, okay?
Jesus became inside the limits of the likeness of humanity doesn't make a lick of sense to anyone here. And the only reason you are even pretending this nonsense makes sense is because you don't like the OBVIOUS and SENSIBLE teaching that Jesus was existing in one form, and then was made into another.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 25 2012,08:44) Mike………..As i figured you just ignored the whole thing i Wrote because you simply can not properly respond to it, and use the excuse of a Novel thing to Just ignore the truth i posted
Gene, I have explained to you what you need to do if you want me to address specific questions or points that you have.If you want me to answer a question, then ASK a question. Your novels telling me and everyone else that we don't understand spirit, or that we're trying to separate Jesus from ourselves, are not QUESTIONS, Gene.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 25 2012,08:44) Where have i said God and Satan are not “beings”………
Then what is all the fuss about? If YOU believe that God is an individual BEING, then I agree with you. If YOU believe that Satan is an individual BEING, then I agree with you.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2012,22:04) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 25 2012,02:55) Mike, I am not speaking nonsense you just have trouble understanding the mechanics of English. All I did is to replace a word with one of its definitions and tell me you can not understand it.
Kerwin,Get back to me when you can form a sentence from the Greek words that actually makes sense, okay?
Jesus became inside the limits of the likeness of humanity doesn't make a lick of sense to anyone here. And the only reason you are even pretending this nonsense makes sense is because you don't like the OBVIOUS and SENSIBLE teaching that Jesus was existing in one form, and then was made into another.
Mike,I am not comprehending what is so hard to understand about that statement. Became is the past tense of the default interpretation of “ginomai”. “inside the limits of” is one definition of “in”. After that I just replaced certain words or phrases that mean the same. The Interlinear reveals that I used the wrong tense for Philippians 2:7 and instead should have used “having become”. In either case the grammar is correct as far as I can tell.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 26 2012,02:59) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,15:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2012,06:47) Ed, what word is the root word of “personality”?
Hi Mike,Person …A dog has personality, is a dog 'a person'?
Ed,Hebrews 9:24 NWT
For Christ entered, not into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us.
Hi Mike,The word 'person' is not in Hebrews 9:24?
Do added words count for you – like they do for Jammin?
And you have not answered my question – so will you please do so?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgK
Quote In either case the grammar is correct as far as I can tell. 1Co 14:9 So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air.
1TI 6:3 If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness,
1TI 6:4 he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions,
1TI 6:5 and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.Eph 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.(to the word of God)
2Ti 2:14 Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen.
1Pe 4:11 If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God. If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 26 2012,02:59) How can YOU have a PERSONal relationship with Him if you don't even believe He is a PERSON?
Hi Mike,The spirit of the living God, YHVH, Tabernacles in me.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 26 2012,03:09) If you want me to answer a question, then ASK a question. Your novels telling me and everyone else that we don't understand spirit, or that we're trying to separate Jesus from ourselves, are not QUESTIONS, Gene. Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 25 2012,08:44) Where have i said God and Satan are not “beings”………
Then what is all the fuss about? If YOU believe that God is an individual BEING, then I agree with you. If YOU believe that Satan is an individual BEING, then I agree with you.
Mike………The fuss is about how they exist not about do they exist , but do they exist as what? , You preach and believe they are persons as we are , But they are not they are Spirits and Spirits are not individual persons as you suppose they are. They are individual types and Kinds. Had you listened carefully to what Jesus said about them you would know that Mike, but being unable to put together all of what Jesus said about Spirit causes you to stumble and create all kinds of false “assumptions” .As far as the Preaching of SEPARATION Goes, you clearly said Jesus was not LIKE WE ARE, over and over , You do not identify with him as a Human being at all, you see him as a MORPHED Being other that a Man. So pleas don't give us this garbage you don't separate Jesus' Identity form ours .
Face it Mike you preach a other then a Human Being Jesus and Your Preexistence Doctrines is a solid Proof of that. Jesus to you is not a Brother a fellow human Being but a “god” demigod or angel or what ever, but not a plain human being as we are that is for sure.
Now if you don't call that a Doctrine of Separation of Jesus from us, i would like to know what is?
All “Trinitarians” and “Preexistences” are separatist and their work is a work of Separation You preexistences are simply mini-trinitarians and neither of you believe Jesus was a Pure Human being and true SON of MAN as Jesus said over and over he was and he was a son of God in the exact sense as we are also, not one shed of difference between him and us as far as a “Being” goes we all have the “EXACT” Same Potential as He has and had, if God is with us and by that same spirit we can rise to the SAME Level as He Has.
You Trinitarians and Preexistences RELIGIONS would never allow for that to happen Because You both Separate Jesus form our exact Identity A work Jesus our Lord never did ever and you will all be held accountable for it also. IMO
And don't give me this lie about a “NOVEL” Crap. Because i use a few Paragraphs to explain what i mean.
peace and love to you and yours………………………………….gene
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