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Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 22 2012,10:32) K
Do you ever wander what those people in the congregation that Paul,or Peter attend to and spoke or write to ,understood
Those were very common uncomplicated people just like most of us,what was it that they should understand they were not carrying a encyclopedia under their harms each time Paul or Peter showed up or send a letter,or did they in your view
T;We live in the Age of Skepticism and they did not.
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 22 2012,22:51) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 22 2012,10:32) K
Do you ever wander what those people in the congregation that Paul,or Peter attend to and spoke or write to ,understood Those were very common uncomplicated people just like most of us,what was it that they should understand they were not carrying a encyclopedia under their harms each time Paul or Peter showed up or send a letter,or did they in your view
T;We live in the Age of Skepticism and they did not.
KYou must be joking
That has been in man's cultured for century,s way before Christ ,the devil game 
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2012,05:56) Gene, NO. Jesus MANY times speaks about our Father, WHO IS IN HEAVEN. As I've told you many times before, the Father being “in” Jesus, or “in” anyone else is metaphorical, and does NOT mean that the being of God Almighty was literally living inside any particular human being.
Mike……..You simply do not know what Spirit(intellect) really is, you believe a spirit (intellect) is a Person as you and I are, A Spirit can be both (in) heaven and (in) a person at the same time. Jesus was not lying when he said the Father was “in” him.You have not come to see what Thomas came to see when he said “My Lord (AND) my GOD”. Was Thomas talking in a metaphoric language also? God can “be” (to exist) in all and through all at the same time and be in Heaven also at the same time.
Do you believe God is Omnipresent? If so HOW? is that possible if not by him being a Spirit.
Mike the “BEING” of GOD the FATHER “IS” a SPIRIT, Just as Jesus said, and Spirits are not “PERSONS They are what LIFE Itself IS> Each Spirit give its own cognate awareness to who they are in.
If you understood what Spirits are you could easily understand how GOD, or Satan, or clean and unclean Spirits could be in anyone at the same time.
Peace and love to you and yours………………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 22 2012,08:37) Do you believe God is Omnipresent?
No. In fact, it is a complete IMPOSSIBILITY for God to be omnipresent.T,
The Age of Skepticism is a rather recent event as even the very existence of God is doubted by many. The unbelieving Jews believed there was a God and even a Christ; they just did not believe Jesus was that Christ. There way of speaking reflects those beliefs as ours reflects skepticism.
The Greeks were also coming to believe in one God as Plato's teachings demonstrate.
They heard Scripture from a position of fore-knowledge and we hear it from a position of lack of fore-knowledge.
For example the people of that time knew that demons and Satan, exist even without Scripture. We know only what we believe Scripture teaches.
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 21 2012,22:23) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2012,00:39) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 21 2012,02:25) Jesus became inside the limits of the likeness of humanity……………
You're talking gibberish here.
Mike,That “gibberish” is an English definition of the word “in” according to Merriam-Websters online dictionary.
Quote a —used as a function word to indicate limitation, qualification, or circumstance My purpose though was to point out that “inside” may be a unsound interpretation by pointing out that “en” does not mean inside/amongue in all cases.
Kerwin,Your explanation of the gibberish you wrote before sounds like more gibberish to me.
Like Pierre said, what exactly do you think Paul's audience would have thought when he said, “and he was made in the likeness of a human being”?
Do you think they would have pulled out their lexicons and dictionaries, trying to figure out some oddball, abstract meaning to his words?
I don't. I think they would have just understood that Jesus WAS existing in the form of God, and THEN was made INTO the likeness of a man.
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 23 2012,15:38) T, The Age of Skepticism is a rather recent event as even the very existence of God is doubted by many. The unbelieving Jews believed there was a God and even a Christ; they just did not believe Jesus was that Christ. There way of speaking reflects those beliefs as ours reflects skepticism.
The Greeks were also coming to believe in one God as Plato's teachings demonstrate.
They heard Scripture from a position of fore-knowledge and we hear it from a position of lack of fore-knowledge.
For example the people of that time knew that demons and Satan, exist even without Scripture. We know only what we believe Scripture teaches.
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eSkepticism or scepticism (see spelling differences) is generally any questioning attitude towards knowledge, facts, or opinions/beliefs stated as facts,[1] or doubt regarding claims that are taken for granted elsewhere.[2]
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this is old at the least as back as Socratis ,but do not forget the Homer times and the mythology
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 23 2012,15:38) T, The Age of Skepticism is a rather recent event as even the very existence of God is doubted by many. The unbelieving Jews believed there was a God and even a Christ; they just did not believe Jesus was that Christ. There way of speaking reflects those beliefs as ours reflects skepticism.
The Greeks were also coming to believe in one God as Plato's teachings demonstrate.
They heard Scripture from a position of fore-knowledge and we hear it from a position of lack of fore-knowledge.
For example the people of that time knew that demons and Satan, exist even without Scripture. We know only what we believe Scripture teaches.
kthis is 2400 years ago
Mike,
So you expect to be viewed as credible when you look at a definition from a dictionary as gibberish because you think it disagrees with you.
Perhaps it is too intellectual for you but that does not make it gibberish; though it can be hard to understand.
I also used the scientific method of proposing a hypothesis, testing the hypothesis for falseness.
In the case of Philippians 2:7 taken out of context the “in”/”en” can mean either inside the likeness of a human being or in the qualifications of the likeness of a human being. Both statements are true by other Scriptures.
You use “in” as the dictionary states even though you might not know the dictionaries definition. Sometimes we perceive a definition that works in English; but not in the original language. Pierre, existing literate in at least two languages, should know in actuality, what I know in theory.
Note: I earlier used the word “limitations” but switched it to the synonym “qualifications” as I believe it better portrayed my point.
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 22 2012,17:51) Mike, So you expect to be viewed as credible when you look at a definition from a dictionary as gibberish because you think it disagrees with you.
Perhaps it is too intellectual for you but that does not make it gibberish; though it can be hard to understand.
First of all, it is not the definition that is gibberish, Kerwin, but the way you are trying to apply it and coming up with a sentence that makes no sense whatsoever.This is your sentence: Jesus became inside the limits of the likeness of humanity
What the freak is that supposed to mean?
You say you have other scriptural examples of the word “en” being used to form a sentence like this?
Show me.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2012,05:56) Gene, NO. Jesus MANY times speaks about our Father, WHO IS IN HEAVEN. As I've told you many times before, the Father being “in” Jesus, or “in” anyone else is metaphorical, and does NOT mean that the being of God Almighty was literally living inside any particular human being.
Mike……….It is true that many thing in scripture is written in a Metaphoric language i do agree with that. But here is you problem with applying this to what i quoted Jesus as saying that the Father was “IN” Him.You have it completely backward, the whole concept of God being a “PERSON” or an “individual Being” is the Metaphor . God is a Spirit and Spirits are not Persons . Scriptures portrays them as Persons as , God the Father, or Satan, Wisdom and Love, are .
Why do you think that Jesus said He spoke of God the Father in a “Proverbial” (fictitious illustration) language for? because, that is what Metaphorically speaking is Mike, it is a Proverb or “fictitious illustration” of something or someone>
You false assumption that Jesus was speaking of God being “IN” Him was a metaphor, is wrong. God who “is” Spirit was and is “IN” Jesus , by his very Spirit Present (IN) HIM.
The Metaphor is Making God a a person instead of a SPIRIT. The same applies with your Satan “PERSON” just as some say WISDOM is a She Person, these are what Metaphors are Mike , as i have said you have it backward, God who is a Spirit was indeed truly “IN” Jesus , Just as He said He was and Just as Thomas came to realize also.
The whole thing boils down to you and others here not understanding what a SPIRIT really “IS”> IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 24 2012,03:13) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 22 2012,05:56) Gene, NO. Jesus MANY times speaks about our Father, WHO IS IN HEAVEN. As I've told you many times before, the Father being “in” Jesus, or “in” anyone else is metaphorical, and does NOT mean that the being of God Almighty was literally living inside any particular human being.
Mike……….It is true that many thing in scripture is written in a Metaphoric language i do agree with that. But here is you problem with applying this to what i quoted Jesus as saying that the Father was “IN” Him.You have it completely backward, the whole concept of God being a “PERSON” or an “individual Being” is the Metaphor . God is a Spirit and Spirits are not Persons . Scriptures portrays them as Persons as , God the Father, or Satan, Wisdom and Love, are .
Why do you think that Jesus said He spoke of God the Father in a “Proverbial” (fictitious illustration) language for? because, that is what Metaphorically speaking is Mike, it is a Proverb or “fictitious illustration” of something or someone>
You false assumption that Jesus was speaking of God being “IN” Him was a metaphor, is wrong. God who “is” Spirit was and is “IN” Jesus , by his very Spirit Present (IN) HIM.
The Metaphor is Making God a a person instead of a SPIRIT. The same applies with your Satan “PERSON” just as some say WISDOM is a She Person, these are what Metaphors are Mike , as i have said you have it backward, God who is a Spirit was indeed truly “IN” Jesus , Just as He said He was and Just as Thomas came to realize also.
The whole thing boils down to you and others here not understanding what a SPIRIT really “IS”> IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………….gene
GeneB.What about this?
Revelation22:4. AND THEY SHALL SEE HIS FACE—
What ? God has a face?Must be a methaphor. easily explained.
wakeup.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2012,10:13) You have it completely backward, the whole concept of God being a “PERSON” or an “individual Being” is the Metaphor.
I disagree Gene. God is most definitely a being, complete with a soul, jealousy, love, anger, faithfulness, etc. Were we not made in His image?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 24 2012,08:24) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2012,10:13) You have it completely backward, the whole concept of God being a “PERSON” or an “individual Being” is the Metaphor.
I disagree Gene. God is most definitely a being, complete with a soul, jealousy, love, anger, faithfulness, etc. Were we not made in His image?
Hi Mike,The only reason that God was ever defined as a person,
was because of “Trinitarians” usage of that word. Applied
new meanings will always eventually end up in the dictionary. …using these types of definitions to prove a point 'IS FLAWED'!!
When using these types of definitions to the trins
Kieth and Jack – they see it as “you proving them right” …but you overlook this FACT in your dialog with them.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,16:36) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 24 2012,08:24) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2012,10:13) You have it completely backward, the whole concept of God being a “PERSON” or an “individual Being” is the Metaphor.
I disagree Gene. God is most definitely a being, complete with a soul, jealousy, love, anger, faithfulness, etc. Were we not made in His image?
Hi Mike,The only reason that God was ever defined as a person,
was because of “Trinitarians” usage of that word. Applied
new meanings will always eventually end up in the dictionary. …using these types of definitions to prove a point 'IS FLAWED'!!
When using these types of definitions to the trins
Kieth and Jack – they see it as “you proving them right” …but you overlook this FACT in your dialog with them.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
edjare you saying that God almighty is not a being
?Ed,
Any being with their own “PERSONALITY” is a PERSON. God has His own personality, ergo, He is a person.
We can't shrink away from the truth just because we are afraid others might twist that truth into unscriptural doctrines. For example, we can't just close our eyes and insist that there exists only one god, just because we don't want to be called “polytheists”.
Let the names be called, and let the twisters of scripture twist away to support their flawed doctrines. Just don't ever let them stop you from telling it like it is.
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 24 2012,09:44) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,16:36) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 24 2012,08:24) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2012,10:13) You have it completely backward, the whole concept of God being a “PERSON” or an “individual Being” is the Metaphor.
I disagree Gene. God is most definitely a being, complete with a soul, jealousy, love, anger, faithfulness, etc. Were we not made in His image?
Hi Mike,The only reason that God was ever defined as a person,
was because of “Trinitarians” usage of that word. Applied
new meanings will always eventually end up in the dictionary. …using these types of definitions to prove a point 'IS FLAWED'!!
When using these types of definitions to the trins
Kieth and Jack – they see it as “you proving them right” …but you overlook this FACT in your dialog with them.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
edjare you saying that God almighty is not a being
?
PIERRENo, that is what you are saying.
What “I” said is: God is an entity,
not a person; a person is a human.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 24 2012,09:55) Ed, Any being with their own “PERSONALITY” is a PERSON. God has His own personality, ergo, He is a person.
Hi Mike,Dogs have there own personality, ergo are they a person as well?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgMike,
Put on the new man created within the limits of the likeness of God's righteousness and holiness.
He is not inside the likeness of God's righteousness and holiness but rather his righteousness is within the limits of it as his righteousness and holiness does not fall short or exceed it.
As I previously stated “qualifications” is a better word to use. The reason I believe that is because to some the word “limitations” has a negative connotation.
As I pointed out to Pierre, Paul's hearers already knew what he spoke of before he spoke; while we seek to learn from his words.
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,19:07) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 24 2012,09:44) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 24 2012,16:36) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 24 2012,08:24) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2012,10:13) You have it completely backward, the whole concept of God being a “PERSON” or an “individual Being” is the Metaphor.
I disagree Gene. God is most definitely a being, complete with a soul, jealousy, love, anger, faithfulness, etc. Were we not made in His image?
Hi Mike,The only reason that God was ever defined as a person,
was because of “Trinitarians” usage of that word. Applied
new meanings will always eventually end up in the dictionary. …using these types of definitions to prove a point 'IS FLAWED'!!
When using these types of definitions to the trins
Kieth and Jack – they see it as “you proving them right” …but you overlook this FACT in your dialog with them.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
edjare you saying that God almighty is not a being
?
PIERRENo, that is what you are saying.
What “I” said is: God is an entity,
not a person; a person is a human.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjI did not say anything this was my question to you ,
but you right I do believe that God almighty his a being not part of an entity ,if so he would not be a creator ,and we know he his the only source of creation ,right
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