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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 17 2012,08:21) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 16 2012,02:34) g Quote EDJ…………A Spirit does exist , as an “IT” it is not a Living Soul, There are seven Spirit of GOD These Seven Spirit all perform a task they are before the very throne of GOD were do you find that scripture about the seven spirit of God
Terricca…………In Revelations 3:1,4:5,5:6 all speak of the seven spirits of God Pierrepeace and love to you and yours……………………………..gene
Gwere do you see the “IT”
Rev 5:6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne,
“Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.
Rev 1:18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
Rev 1:19 “Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later.
Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.Rev 3:6 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
Rev 5:6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
Rev 3:14 “To the angel (spirit)of the church in Laodicea (one of seven)write:
what do you not understand
?Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 16 2012,01:45) Jehovah told us he would make the Word flesh when he stated he would print his law on the hearts of his people and place it on their inward being. Jesus is the first he has done this with…………
So in your understanding, the Word didn't BECOME flesh as the scripture states, but instead the Word “printed on the heart of Jesus”?Hmmmm………………
Mike………The Word of GOD came to be (IN) the flesh man Jesus the Christ by the Christos he received into HIS Flesh “BEING” so in that sense the word became (came to be ) flesh. You surely are not so ignorant as to not know a WORD can NEVER actually “BE” FLESH a word is from SPIRIT Not FLESH “EVER”. I just can't believe you do not understand this MIKE>
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………….gene
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 17 2012,06:38) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 17 2012,08:21) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 16 2012,02:34) g Quote EDJ…………A Spirit does exist , as an “IT” it is not a Living Soul, There are seven Spirit of GOD These Seven Spirit all perform a task they are before the very throne of GOD were do you find that scripture about the seven spirit of God
Terricca…………In Revelations 3:1,4:5,5:6 all speak of the seven spirits of God Pierrepeace and love to you and yours……………………………..gene
Gwere do you see the “IT”
Rev 5:6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne,
“Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.
Rev 1:18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
Rev 1:19 “Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later.
Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.Rev 3:6 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
Rev 5:6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
Rev 3:14 “To the angel (spirit)of the church in Laodicea (one of seven)write:
what do you not understand
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Terricca………..Spirits are “IT”S” Remember ” if the Spirit of Him that raised Christ Jesus from the grave , be in you (NOW NOTICE Pierre) “IT” shall also quicken your mortal bodyThe seven Spirit of God are not angels (messengers) Pierre as you false assume they are, SPIRITS and SPIRITS are “IT'S” They are what is (IN) Beings Not the Beings themselves Like a Soul or Person But what is (IN) them.
Like i have said here for a long time, you people Just simply do not Know the difference between Spirit and Angels and Living souls of any kind. You just do not understand Spirits are not People or Being they are what is in them and that includes God's Spirit also.
It is hard for me to believe the ignorance of People and their unwillingness to come to a better knowledge and grow in understanding of the truth. Well so be it. My hope is God will open you eyes to see and understand this Pierre.
peace and love to you and yours……………………………………gene
gene
I try to understand ;
Quote The seven Spirit of God are not angels (messengers) Pierre as you false assume they are, SPIRITS and SPIRITS are “IT'S” They are what is (IN) Beings Not the Beings themselves Like a Soul or Person But what is (IN) them. this i can not understand so give me some scriptures ,
Quote Terricca………..Spirits are “IT”S” Remember ” if the Spirit of Him that raised Christ Jesus from the grave , be in you (NOW NOTICE Pierre) “IT” shall also quicken your mortal body show me that in scriptures please ,
Quote Like i have said here for a long time, you people Just simply do not Know the difference between Spirit and Angels and Living souls of any kind. You just do not understand Spirits are not People or Being they are what is in them and that includes God's Spirit also. well show me in scriptures so that I can follow you ,
Quote It is hard for me to believe the ignorance of People and their unwillingness to come to a better knowledge and grow in understanding of the truth. Well so be it. My hope is God will open you eyes to see and understand this Pierre. I am trying ,but I work my believe through scriptures ,so please can you be good and show me in scriptures the truth you have come to understand
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 17 2012,06:09) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 16 2012,01:45) Jehovah told us he would make the Word flesh when he stated he would print his law on the hearts of his people and place it on their inward being. Jesus is the first he has done this with…………
So in your understanding, the Word didn't BECOME flesh as the scripture states, but instead the Word “printed on the heart of Jesus”?Hmmmm………………
Mike,* God prepared a body for Jesus' soul
* God wrote his Word on Jesus heart and wrote it on his inward parts.
No transformation took place as God prepared a body for Jesus' soul.
An incarnation did take place in both that Jesus' soul was placed in the body God prepared for him and God writing his Word on Jesus' heart and placing it in his inward parts.
I understand that the Word was incarnated in Jesus' flesh.
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 17 2012,12:07) gene I try to understand ;
Quote The seven Spirit of God are not angels (messengers) Pierre as you false assume they are, SPIRITS and SPIRITS are “IT'S” They are what is (IN) Beings Not the Beings themselves Like a Soul or Person But what is (IN) them. this i can not understand so give me some scriptures ,
Quote Terricca………..Spirits are “IT”S” Remember ” if the Spirit of Him that raised Christ Jesus from the grave , be in you (NOW NOTICE Pierre) “IT” shall also quicken your mortal body show me that in scriptures please ,
Quote Like i have said here for a long time, you people Just simply do not Know the difference between Spirit and Angels and Living souls of any kind. You just do not understand Spirits are not People or Being they are what is in them and that includes God's Spirit also. well show me in scriptures so that I can follow you ,
Quote It is hard for me to believe the ignorance of People and their unwillingness to come to a better knowledge and grow in understanding of the truth. Well so be it. My hope is God will open you eyes to see and understand this Pierre. I am trying ,but I work my believe through scriptures ,so please can you be good and show me in scriptures the truth you have come to understand
Terricca………..when ever we in the English language are referring to something other then ourselves we can use the term (IT) as a Point of reference. and if you would look up the original Greek translations of that verse you would see the word (IT) used there twice. Like where we in the KJV says if the spirit of Him that was in Christ The Greek puts it, more clearly like this, “making “ITS” Home in you” you see the word “IT” is referring to God Spirit . It is pointing to a Particular thing and in this case it is God Spirit it is pointing to. God is a Spirit and Spirits can indwell Living Souls So if i refer to them as “ITS” i am referencing a type or a Kind is not big deal. That doesn't alter the meaning of the text at all. You say quote the text well and good so go to the “ORIGINAL Greek and read it. Mike has posted for me a Place where you can go and check it out Pierre.If i say to you the Spirit of God is Powerful , (IT) can raise the dead. Do you not know what i mean? Spirit are Its and becasue they can be individually described, becasue they come in types and Kinds. So if I say the spirit that raised Christ Jesus from the grave “dwell” in you or (Greek) “make “IT'S” home in you> I am still referencing the Spirit of God. Do you understand this brother.
Peace and love to you and yours………………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 18 2012,10:14) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 17 2012,12:07) gene I try to understand ;
Quote The seven Spirit of God are not angels (messengers) Pierre as you false assume they are, SPIRITS and SPIRITS are “IT'S” They are what is (IN) Beings Not the Beings themselves Like a Soul or Person But what is (IN) them. this i can not understand so give me some scriptures ,
Quote Terricca………..Spirits are “IT”S” Remember ” if the Spirit of Him that raised Christ Jesus from the grave , be in you (NOW NOTICE Pierre) “IT” shall also quicken your mortal body show me that in scriptures please ,
Quote Like i have said here for a long time, you people Just simply do not Know the difference between Spirit and Angels and Living souls of any kind. You just do not understand Spirits are not People or Being they are what is in them and that includes God's Spirit also. well show me in scriptures so that I can follow you ,
Quote It is hard for me to believe the ignorance of People and their unwillingness to come to a better knowledge and grow in understanding of the truth. Well so be it. My hope is God will open you eyes to see and understand this Pierre. I am trying ,but I work my believe through scriptures ,so please can you be good and show me in scriptures the truth you have come to understand
Terricca………..when ever we in the English language are referring to something other then ourselves we can use the term (IT) as a Point of reference. and if you would look up the original Greek translations of that verse you would see the word (IT) used there twice. Like where we in the KJV says if the spirit of Him that was in Christ The Greek puts it, more clearly like this, “making “ITS” Home in you” you see the word “IT” is referring to God Spirit . It is pointing to a Particular thing and in this case it is God Spirit it is pointing to. God is a Spirit and Spirits can indwell Living Souls So if i refer to them as “ITS” i am referencing a type or a Kind is not big deal. That doesn't alter the meaning of the text at all. You say quote the text well and good so go to the “ORIGINAL Greek and read it. Mike has posted for me a Place where you can go and check it out Pierre.If i say to you the Spirit of God is Powerful , (IT) can raise the dead. Do you not know what i mean? Spirit are Its and becasue they can be individually described, becasue they come in types and Kinds. So if I say the spirit that raised Christ Jesus from the grave “dwell” in you or (Greek) “make “IT'S” home in you> I am still referencing the Spirit of God. Do you understand this brother.
Peace and love to you and yours………………………………..gene
geneSCRIPTURES PLEASE
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 16 2012,18:27) Mike………The Word of GOD came to be (IN) the flesh man Jesus the Christ……..
No Gene, because that would require John 1:14 to say, “the Word came to be IN someone who was already flesh”. But 1:14 clearly does NOT say that, does it?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 16 2012,18:27) You surely are not so ignorant as to not know a WORD can NEVER actually “BE” FLESH………..
And surely YOU are not so ignorant as to think that a PERSON who is called “the Word” because it's his title can never be flesh, right?John 1, 1 John 1, and Rev 19 don't talk about a literal “word”, Gene. They talk about a PERSON who has the TITLE “the Word”.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 16 2012,18:42) Terricca………..Spirits are “IT”S” Remember………..
But aren't all angels ministering spirits, Gene? Are angels “ITS”?Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 17 2012,02:22) Mike, * God prepared a body for Jesus' soul
And did the “soul” of Jesus have a heavenly tent (like Paul and the elect will have) before God prepared the earthly body for him?Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 17 2012,02:22) I understand that the Word was incarnated in Jesus' flesh.
So are you now seeing the Word as an individual BEING who had glory alongside God before the world was created through him? Are you seeing the Word as a BEING who was incarnated in Jesus' flesh?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2012,07:31) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 16 2012,18:27) Mike………The Word of GOD came to be (IN) the flesh man Jesus the Christ……..
No Gene, because that would require John 1:14 to say, “the Word came to be IN someone who was already flesh”. But 1:14 clearly does NOT say that, does it?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 16 2012,18:27) You surely are not so ignorant as to not know a WORD can NEVER actually “BE” FLESH………..
And surely YOU are not so ignorant as to think that a PERSON who is called “the Word” because it's his title can never be flesh, right?John 1, 1 John 1, and Rev 19 don't talk about a literal “word”, Gene. They talk about a PERSON who has the TITLE “the Word”.
Hi Mike,“To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed
unto us the word of reconciliation.” (2 Cor 5:19)Mike,
Quote No Gene, because that would require John 1:14 to say, “the Word came to be IN someone who was already flesh”. But 1:14 clearly does NOT say that, does it? God prepared a body for his Christ.
Kerwin,
The Word BECAME flesh. Jesus emptied himself and was made into the likeness of a human being.
These speak of the flesh body God prepared for him.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2012,21:11) Kerwin, The Word BECAME flesh. Jesus emptied himself and was made into the likeness of a human being.
These speak of the flesh body God prepared for him.
Mike,There is no “into” in Philippians 2:7. The “in” which is there instead is used elsewhere of speaking of “in the womb”.
Kerwin, why are you able to pinpoint something as trivial as “in” versus “into”, but can't figure out that your understanding actually ADDS the word “in” into John 1:14, thereby completely CHANGING the teaching?
Phil 2:6-8 teaches that Jesus WAS existing in the form of God (as you now agree with the implied “WAS”), and THEN was made IN (happy?) the likeness of a human being.
My use of “into” doesn't change the context or the teaching at all, for the passage still teaches that Jesus WAS existing in one form before being made in a different likeness.
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2012,09:17) Hi Mike, “To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed
unto us the word of reconciliation.” (2 Cor 5:19)
Hi Mike,2 Cor 5:19 explains John 1:14.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgedj
Quote 2 Cor 5:19 explains John 1:14. no ,it does not ,2Co 5:19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
John 1;14 ;talks about a person (Christ),while the other talks about the message were it offers the way to salvation through Christ
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 19 2012,23:37) Kerwin, why are you able to pinpoint something as trivial as “in” versus “into”, but can't figure out that your understanding actually ADDS the word “in” into John 1:14, thereby completely CHANGING the teaching? Phil 2:6-8 teaches that Jesus WAS existing in the form of God (as you now agree with the implied “WAS”), and THEN was made IN (happy?) the likeness of a human being.
My use of “into” doesn't change the context or the teaching at all, for the passage still teaches that Jesus WAS existing in one form before being made in a different likeness.
Mike,Here is the word “en” used.
Matthew 1:20
King James Version (KJV)20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Matthew 2:1
King James Version (KJV)2 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
Matthew 2:6
King James Version (KJV)6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
Going by the use of “in” in these it appears Jesus became inside “the likeness of a human being”; the body God prepared for him.
There is a lot of usages of “en” and I have not the time to see if the word “en” has other meanings.
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 20 2012,05:35) edj Quote 2 Cor 5:19 explains John 1:14. no ,it does not ,2Co 5:19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
John 1;14 ;talks about a person (Christ),while the other talks about the message were it offers the way to salvation through Christ
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