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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 13 2012,02:41) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2012,05:26) Good one, Wakeup. Here's another: Jude 1:9
But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”Was Michael disputing with “the evil inside us all” about the body of Moses?
Mike……..First of all there is not such wording in our Scriptures we have, it just says God Buried Moses , and did it in such a way that no one could find him, and i seriously doubt the Angel Michael was disputing with “IT” or as you believe another Angel about Moses' body, if GOD Buried HIM.The book of Enoch is highly questionable as far as reliability any good scholar would tell you that. It has many part that are proven no to be true as i recall. But even if you were to believe it where does it say that it was a ANGEL of any kind Michael was disputing with?.
Mike what if it was God who was disputing with The Angel Micheal would you say He was and angel also? God is a SPIRIT and So is ha-satan a Spirit> Neither of them are Angels, Angels can not “INDWELL” a PERSON but a SPIRITS CAN>
Peace and love to you and yours…………………………………gene
Geneb.Your explanations holds no water,Maybe you should re write the scriptures to please your doctrine.
The scripture says that satan was—STANDING ON HIS RIGHT HAND. (he has got legs to stand on)?
Gene: scripture can not be broken ,but it can brake you.
Wakeup Gene, I think its time now,for your own sake.
Doctrines of man can not save you,when the time comes.wakeup.
Wakeup………So produce “ONE” SCRIPTURE calling SATAN an ANGEL then if it is so clear? And i mean in OUR SCRIPTURES we Have not some disputed text of ENOCH. I will ask you the same question as i ask Mike, ” what if it was GOD who “STANDING” and was disputing with the Angel Micheal would say He was and Angel also? God is a Spirit and so is ha-satan a Spirit>, and they can exist anywhere. becasue they are Spirits.
peace and love……………………………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 14 2012,09:24) Wake Up………So produce “ONE” SCRIPTURE calling SATAN an ANGEL then if it is so clear? And i mean in OUR SCRIPTURES we Have not some disputed text of ENOCH. I will ask you the same question as i ask Mike, ” what if it was GOD who “STANDING” and was disputing with the Angel Micheal would say He was and Angel also? God is a Spirit and so is ha-satan a Spirit>, and they can exist anywhere. because they are Spirits. peace and love……………………………………………..gene
GENEso Satan the being that was named by this name does not exist
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 14 2012,02:24) Wakeup………So produce “ONE” SCRIPTURE calling SATAN an ANGEL then if it is so clear? And i mean in OUR SCRIPTURES we Have not some disputed text of ENOCH. I will ask you the same question as i ask Mike, ” what if it was GOD who “STANDING” and was disputing with the Angel Micheal would say He was and Angel also? God is a Spirit and so is ha-satan a Spirit>, and they can exist anywhere. becasue they are Spirits. peace and love……………………………………………..gene
It is time gene; to submit your self to the Lord,and replace that stony heart.Those that humble them selves are the ones God seek.wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 14 2012,08:45) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 14 2012,09:24) Wake Up………So produce “ONE” SCRIPTURE calling SATAN an ANGEL then if it is so clear? And i mean in OUR SCRIPTURES we Have not some disputed text of ENOCH. I will ask you the same question as i ask Mike, ” what if it was GOD who “STANDING” and was disputing with the Angel Micheal would say He was and Angel also? God is a Spirit and so is ha-satan a Spirit>, and they can exist anywhere. because they are Spirits. peace and love……………………………………………..gene
GENEso Satan the being that was named by this name does not exist
Terricca………..Where have i “EVER” Said there is no ha-satan “entity” i have never said that, what i said over and over is that “entity” is a SPIRIT and Not and ANGEL Named “LUCIFER”, Nowhere in scripture can you or anyone else show me where there is a ANGEL NAMED LUCIFER if there is Please Post the scripture. and the matter will be over.God is an entity also and He is not a Man or and Angel, but he or (IT) does exist and can influence all creation and be “in” all creation and control all Creation and all Spirit even the SPIRIT of ha-satan he or “It” can and does control also. God shall remove that Spirit from the earth for a thousand years at the start of the Kingdom of Jesus Christ on this earth. It is not a angel god will remove but a SPIRIT that produces EVIL on this EARTH> “IT” shall be removed for a time , 1000 years and then reintroduced back on the earth.
How is it that you people can believe God is a Spirit, but can not believe Satan is a Spirit also? That would be the Question here Pierre. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………………….gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2012,09:03) Gene, please address my post on the previous page. Is that how you understand Job 1? YES or NO?
MIke…….. Answer is NO, the Adversarial Spirit or ha-satan can be anyone even IN PETER. Tell me Mike how is it you believe Jesus was talking to a Satan in Peter but can't believe Satan is a Spirit?, God was talking to a SPIRIT entity, it was no angel he was talking to but a Spirit entity.Mike i am trying my best to let people understand that there is a difference between what is Spirit and what is not a Spirit , an angle is not a Spirit alone an angel is a living “Soul” who is made up of a body with Spirit. , just as we are not Spirits alone but are ” LIVING Souls” having a Body with Spirit in them.
The words” Living Soul”, gives us independence, while the word Spirit does not becasue Spirit can be removed and or replaced , they are not ever independent “BEINGS” they are intellects they can never die, but a Body or Soul can die and not live forever as a independent “BEING”.
That is why the resurrection and redemption of our “BODIES” is So important. Why can't you see that? Jesus is an independent Person a “LIVING SOUL, becasue his Spirit has a BODY of IT”S OWN> A “body” that will never die anymore, but none the less it is a “BODY”>
peace and love to you and yours………………………………….gene
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 14 2012,10:08) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 14 2012,02:24) Wakeup………So produce “ONE” SCRIPTURE calling SATAN an ANGEL then if it is so clear? And i mean in OUR SCRIPTURES we Have not some disputed text of ENOCH. I will ask you the same question as i ask Mike, ” what if it was GOD who “STANDING” and was disputing with the Angel Micheal would say He was and Angel also? God is a Spirit and so is ha-satan a Spirit>, and they can exist anywhere. becasue they are Spirits. peace and love……………………………………………..gene
It is time gene; to submit your self to the Lord,and replace that stony heart.Those that humble them selves are the ones God seek.wakeup.
Wakeup………You seem to fit right in with the rest here, just ignore my questions and not produce “ONE” Scripture saying Satan is some kind of angel, and yet demand it is so. So i would not be casting this Hear heart thing on other when you may yourself be displaying that very thing yourself and not even know it> IMOQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 15 2012,03:13) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 14 2012,10:08) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 14 2012,02:24) Wakeup………So produce “ONE” SCRIPTURE calling SATAN an ANGEL then if it is so clear? And i mean in OUR SCRIPTURES we Have not some disputed text of ENOCH. I will ask you the same question as i ask Mike, ” what if it was GOD who “STANDING” and was disputing with the Angel Micheal would say He was and Angel also? God is a Spirit and so is ha-satan a Spirit>, and they can exist anywhere. becasue they are Spirits. peace and love……………………………………………..gene
It is time gene; to submit your self to the Lord,and replace that stony heart.Those that humble them selves are the ones God seek.wakeup.
Wakeup………You seem to fit right in with the rest here, just ignore my questions and not produce “ONE” Scripture saying Satan is some kind of angel, and yet demand it is so. So i would not be casting this Hear heart thing on other when you may yourself be displaying that very thing yourself and not even know it> IMO
GeneB.Here it is Gene.
Ez.28:14. Thou art the anointed CHERUB(angel),that covereth; And I have set thee so; thou was upon the Holy mountain of God (heave); thou has walked up and down in the mids of the stones of fire.
The king of tyrus has never been in eden(verse13),so who is God talking to?
wakeup.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 15 2012,09:31) Quote (terraria @ Aug. 14 2012,08:45) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 14 2012,09:24) Wake Up………So produce “ONE” SCRIPTURE calling SATAN an ANGEL then if it is so clear? And i mean in OUR SCRIPTURES we Have not some disputed text of ENOCH. I will ask you the same question as i ask Mike, ” what if it was GOD who “STANDING” and was disputing with the Angel Micheal would say He was and Angel also? God is a Spirit and so is ha-satan a Spirit>, and they can exist anywhere. because they are Spirits. peace and love……………………………………………..gene
GENEso Satan the being that was named by this name does not exist
Terricca………..Where have i “EVER” Said there is no ha-satan “entity” i have never said that, what i said over and over is that “entity” is a SPIRIT and Not and ANGEL Named “LUCIFER”, Nowhere in scripture can you or anyone else show me where there is a ANGEL NAMED LUCIFER if there is Please Post the scripture. and the matter will be over.God is an entity also and He is not a Man or and Angel, but he or (IT) does exist and can influence all creation and be “in” all creation and control all Creation and all Spirit even the SPIRIT of ha-satan he or “It” can and does control also. God shall remove that Spirit from the earth for a thousand years at the start of the Kingdom of Jesus Christ on this earth. It is not a angel god will remove but a SPIRIT that produces EVIL on this EARTH> “IT” shall be removed for a time , 1000 years and then reintroduced back on the earth.
How is it that you people can believe God is a Spirit, but can not believe Satan is a Spirit also? That would be the Question here Pierre. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………………….gene
gI do not know lucifer ,but I know Satan the devil and snake that was in Eden and was an cherub there but rebel and received the name Satan
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 14 2012,09:57) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 14 2012,09:03) Gene, please address my post on the previous page. Is that how you understand Job 1? YES or NO?
MIke…….. Answer is NO
It must be Gene, because I only swapped the word “Satan” with the definition you yourself gave us. How can you now say “NO”? Please explain where I went wrong in my “translation of Job according to Gene”.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 14 2012,09:57) Tell me Mike how is it you believe Jesus was talking to a Satan in Peter………….
I don't believe that. I believe Jesus was figuratively calling Peter by the name “Satan” to point out to him that he was putting his own desires over God's. I don't believe Peter ever had a demon in him.Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 12 2012,00:54) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 11 2012,18:42) T, Conceived does not mean carry in a woman’s womb. It means that a child comes to be. It is the female form of beget according to ancient Greeks.
John the Baptist rebuked those coming to him declaring God can make children for Abraham out of the stones. Whose fleshly sire is a rock’s?
The sign of the virgin whom conceives a child and births it is given to those Jehovah chooses to.
Do you understand what it is to be the son of the spirit?
Kerwin.You believe that God can turn stones into Abraham,I agree.
God can also turn his word into a person in an instant,you agree?
Why didnt he do that? Why did he have to come out of the womb?
wakeup.
Wakeup;Jehovah does as he chooses.
He told us he chose to prepare a body for the Christ.
He told us that he chose that Mary would conceive and bear the body of the Christ while still a virgin.
He told us he chose that the body of Christ would be a descendant of David.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 15 2012,02:31) Terricca………..Where have i “EVER” Said there is no ha-satan “entity” i have never said that
Hi Gene,That's funny, because everyone believes you had.
It looks to us like you are finally realizing he is an entity.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Aug. 15 2012,18:38) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 15 2012,02:31) Terricca………..Where have i “EVER” Said there is no ha-satan “entity” i have never said that
Hi Gene,That's funny, because everyone believes you had.
It looks to us like you are finally realizing he is an entity.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ…………A Spirit does exist , as an “IT” it is not a Living Soul, There are seven Spirit of GOD These Seven Spirit all perform a task they are before the very throne of GOD, They are Spirit not complete “BEINGS” as you assume but they (spirits) are “aspects” of Beings they can INDWELL Beings or Souls But they are not themselves Souls or Beings , They are “PERSONIFIED” in scripture as Persons but in fact are Not, Even God the Father is Personified as a Person , But Jesus said he spoke of Him in a Proverbial Language (that is to say, in a fictitious illustration) he said a time would come what he would show us plainly about the Father. God is a SPIRIT, so is the Spirit of a Satan, it is also Spirit and Spirits can and do (INDWELL) Souls and People and Angels, But the Spirit itself is not a Person as you and others falsely assume. If you understood what Jesus said concerning unclean Spirits you could easily understand how spirits (all of them) work, even the Spirit of God.We all have Spirits (IN) us , those Spirits can be added to or removed . They animate us giving us our lives we live. Spirits are not people they are aspects of what life itself is, they come in types and Kinds. Remember when Jesus said to the disciples
this “KIND” comes out only with Fasting and Prayer.
Spirit all of them come in types and Kinds. IMO
peace and Love to you and yours…………………………………gene
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Quote EDJ…………A Spirit does exist , as an “IT” it is not a Living Soul, There are seven Spirit of GOD These Seven Spirit all perform a task they are before the very throne of GOD were do you find that scripture about the seven spirit of God
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 15 2012,12:27) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 12 2012,00:54) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 11 2012,18:42) T, Conceived does not mean carry in a woman’s womb. It means that a child comes to be. It is the female form of beget according to ancient Greeks.
John the Baptist rebuked those coming to him declaring God can make children for Abraham out of the stones. Whose fleshly sire is a rock’s?
The sign of the virgin whom conceives a child and births it is given to those Jehovah chooses to.
Do you understand what it is to be the son of the spirit?
Kerwin.You believe that God can turn stones into Abraham,I agree.
God can also turn his word into a person in an instant,you agree?
Why didnt he do that? Why did he have to come out of the womb?
wakeup.
Wakeup;Jehovah does as he chooses.
He told us he chose to prepare a body for the Christ.
He told us that he chose that Mary would conceive and bear the body of the Christ while still a virgin.
He told us he chose that the body of Christ would be a descendant of David.
Kerwin.This is true,but he also must be born of water and blood like all of us.
A righteous person sacrificed,for all sinful humans.
Through this man,we can come to God,again.For the spiritual door was closed before.He is the mediator between God and man.
wakeup.
Wakeup,
Jehovah told us he would make the Word flesh when he stated he would print his law on the hearts of his people and place it on their inward being. Jesus is the first he has done this with and the one by whom he does it to the rest of his people. That is why the human Jesus is the Mediator between God and humanity.
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 17 2012,01:45) Wakeup, Jehovah told us he would make the Word flesh when he stated he would print his law on the hearts of his people and place it on their inward being. Jesus is the first he has done this with and the one by whom he does it to the rest of his people. That is why the human Jesus is the Mediator between God and humanity.
ho boy ,no man can pay for the sins of another man says scriptures ,
Ps 49:7 None of them can by any means redeem [either himself or] his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him—
Ps 49:8 For the ransom of a life is too costly, and [the price one can pay] can never suffice—so who is that man that can break the word of God and be truthful
Mt 20:28 Just as the Son of Man came not to be waited on but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many [the price paid to set them free].
Mk 8:37 For what can a man give as an exchange ( a compensation, a ransom, in return) for his [blessed] life [ in the eternal kingdom of God]?
Mk 10:45 For even the Son of Man came not to have service rendered to Him, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for ( instead of) many.1Co 1:30 But it is from Him that you have your life in Christ Jesus, Whom God made our Wisdom from God, [revealed to us a knowledge of the divine plan of salvation previously hidden, manifesting itself as] our Righteousness [thus making us upright and putting us in right standing with God], and our Consecration [making us pure and holy], and our Redemption [providing our ransom from eternal penalty for sin].
Gal 4:5 To purchase the freedom of (to ransom, to redeem, to atone for) those who were subject to the Law, that we might be adopted and have sonship conferred upon us [and be recognized as God’s sons].
1Ti 2:6 Who gave Himself as a ransom for all [people, a fact that was] attested to at the right and proper time.I do hope you understand ,
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 16 2012,02:34) g Quote EDJ…………A Spirit does exist , as an “IT” it is not a Living Soul, There are seven Spirit of GOD These Seven Spirit all perform a task they are before the very throne of GOD were do you find that scripture about the seven spirit of God
Terricca…………In Revelations 3:1,4:5,5:6 all speak of the seven spirits of God Pierrepeace and love to you and yours……………………………..gene
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 15 2012,18:38) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 15 2012,02:31) Terricca………..Where have i “EVER” Said there is no ha-satan “entity” i have never said that
Hi Gene,That's funny, because everyone believes you had.
It looks to us like you are finally realizing he is an entity.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ………Right!, like everyone believes the bible says we have a Will the is FREE “IN” US> or that the bible say Satan is a ANGEL, or that the Word Lucifer and Satan are the same words, but the problem is there is no Scriptures that say it> I could go on and on about what People “assume” the bible says while in fact those words are not even there. Clouds without Water, religious speculators without substance. IMOpeace and love to you and yours…………………………………gene
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