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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 05 2012,02:25) Wakeup……………The Devil and according to Jesus, “His Childern the Pharisees”, now does the mean the Devil Fathered those Pharisees . No it means they were doing (its) bidding by a deceiving Adversarial Spirit at work in them, All Evil deeds and working is summarized as the work of a Devil or a Satan. When Jesus called Peter Satan, did that mean Peter was this Satan “Being” you believe in?, or was Peter expressing that what was working (IN) him, a deceiving adversarial Spirit. Yes Evil always existed and so did Good, you could not even know what Evil is unless you knew what Good is and you could not even Know what Good is unless you knew what evil is , they explain each other in life by types and Kinds, like left explains what right is , or up explains what down is and visa versa . These are opposites expressions giving us understanding just as Good and evil do.
Wakeup, your confusing Physical things with Spiritual things, as many do here, Spirits can not be seen except by the minds eye. Jesus said the things he spoke of were Spiritual and must be Spiritual “perceived” , that which is flesh (bodied) is flesh that which is Spiirt, is Spirit (non bodied). IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………………………gene
Gene B.Can you say that GADRE' EL,THAT TEMPTED EVE has no body?
Enoch said that GADRE'EL IS THE ANGEL THAT TEMPTED EVE.
You need to change your –OPINION,and follow the scriptures.wakeup.
Wakeup………Again you ignore what i wrote. If “Gabre'el”, that you say has a body and is the an angel that tempted EVE, then POST YOU SCRIPTURES , I for one do not see that written in any Bible Scriptures I have.
peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 07 2012,01:43) Wakeup………Again you ignore what i wrote. If “Gabre'el”, that you say has a body and is the an angel that tempted EVE, then POST YOU SCRIPTURES , I for one do not see that written in any Bible Scriptures I have. peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………….gene
GeneB.GADRE'EL.NOT GABRI'EL.
Its in the book of enoch.This is your believe:
Satan has not a body,but his angels has bodies.(so the evil in us is leading the fallen angels)?
God was speaking to the evil in him,and this evil in God; can answer back.So also with Jesus; he was speaking to the evil(satan) in him; and this evil can anwer back,and pick him up to a high pinnacle,and left him there till the angels came?
Satan did not come into Judas,but came out of Judas.The red dragon is satan,but it is the evil in us.
These are your believes.That evil has a mind,can have a coversation,can plan,has intelligents.All in all;we are all possessed by satan.
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So this means that everywhere jesus and the 12 apostles went satan went with them.
We are all satan. you are letting the very guilty one escape,and pronounce him not guilty.So satan appearing as an angel of light means that we are appearing like an angel of light;or the evil in us appearing as an angel of light? how thats done I-dont-know-?
THIS IS CONFUSION.
wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 05 2012,23:27) You simply do not believe that satans are beings……………….
That is the bottom line, Kerwin.But if Gene would ever directly answer the question I keep re-posting for him, my follow up questions would surely bring him to see the flaw in his understanding.
But one can only lead the horse to the water……………..
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 07 2012,10:25) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 05 2012,23:27) You simply do not believe that satans are beings……………….
That is the bottom line, Kerwin.But if Gene would ever directly answer the question I keep re-posting for him, my follow up questions would surely bring him to see the flaw in his understanding.
But one can only lead the horse to the water……………..
Mike………….Satans are Beings, they are Human Beings or don't you believe what Jesus called Peter and Judas and the Pharisees. Kerwin and i both understand how Human Being can and are Satan's becasue of that kind of Spirit working (IN) them. Why do you Preexistences have to even change what Jesus himself say to make it fit you dogmas. You say on the one hand you believe Jesus and on the other hand reject his words.Satan is a Spirit that work though the power of the Air, Now having said that let me ask you, why through the Power of the Air?, is that not becasue that is how words are expressed through sound wave going through the Air to our ears and then entering into our minds.
Satan is a SPIRIT the works (IN) the childern of disobedience, Just as GOD is a Spirit that works in the Childern of Obedience> IMO
Again i say to you, you have not understood what a Spirit (IS) or you could easily understand this. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………………….gene
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 07 2012,03:17) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 07 2012,01:43) Wakeup………Again you ignore what i wrote. If “Gabre'el”, that you say has a body and is the an angel that tempted EVE, then POST YOU SCRIPTURES , I for one do not see that written in any Bible Scriptures I have. peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………….gene
GeneB.GADRE'EL.NOT GABRI'EL.
Its in the book of enoch.This is your believe:
Satan has not a body,but his angels has bodies.(so the evil in us is leading the fallen angels)?
God was speaking to the evil in him,and this evil in God; can answer back.So also with Jesus; he was speaking to the evil(satan) in him; and this evil can anwer back,and pick him up to a high pinnacle,and left him there till the angels came?
Satan did not come into Judas,but came out of Judas.The red dragon is satan,but it is the evil in us.
These are your believes.That evil has a mind,can have a coversation,can plan,has intelligents.All in all;we are all possessed by satan.
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So this means that everywhere jesus and the 12 apostles went satan went with them.
We are all satan. you are letting the very guilty one escape,and pronounce him not guilty.So satan appearing as an angel of light means that we are appearing like an angel of light;or the evil in us appearing as an angel of light? how thats done I-dont-know-?
THIS IS CONFUSION.
wakeup.
Wakeup………..If you understood what a Spirit really (IS) you could easily understand how that is done. The Spirit of Ha-satan, works in Angels (messengers) either human or Angelic (Beings). It is a Spirit that can be (IN) anyone>You believe that there is “Pinnacle” somewhere on this earth that a person can see all the earth and its Kingdoms , but you cant tell me where that is, i would bet on it.
Jesus' battle was not with a being outside of Him it was His own Human Nature he was putting to death in the wilderness, he master himself, Just as God told Cain that sin was at the door (of his heart) and He must master it , Jesus had to master his Potential of sin also, and He did in the wilderness.
You must understand Jesus knew who he was and what powers were given him over all the earth and everything in it. This was a great temptation to him , He could have turned those stones to Bread at will if he wanted to, or Jumped off a cliff and the angels would have prevented him from injury or death, He could have used the Power God gave him to rule all the earth also , He knew who he was and the powers given him and He had to overcome his human Nature and Master this temptation working (IN) him and He did it with the Anointing Spirit of God working (IN) him. He master his very own Nature in the wilderness.
be of good cheer, for I have overcome And everyone who overcomes “EVEN” as I have , i shall grant him to sit with Me in “MY” kingdom , even as i Have overcome and am sit down with MY Father in (HIS) Kingdom. Wakeup think about it>
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 07 2012,08:39) Satan is a Spirit that work though the power of the Air………….
So in Job 1, a “spirit that works through the power of the air” came along with the angels to present itself before God? And God asked this “spirit that works through the power of the air” where it had come from?Am I on track so far, Gene?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 08 2012,04:05) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 07 2012,08:39) Satan is a Spirit that work though the power of the Air………….
So in Job 1, a “spirit that works through the power of the air” came along with the angels to present itself before God? And God asked this “spirit that works through the power of the air” where it had come from?Am I on track so far, Gene?
Mike,Interesting! It brings a couple things to mind.
1) Are the fallen angels sons of God or sons of the spirit of Satan.
2 Given that the chief son of the spirit of Satan was traveling with the sons of God; why wouldn't his name be called Satan?
K
1)they sons of God that rebel against their maker,Satan is the name of the first of that kind ,
2) Satan is his new name for his new actions REBEL against His God,and it is not a spirit but an spirit being ,no one can punish a thought ,but the origin of the thought meaning the being ,got it???
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 08 2012,01:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 07 2012,10:25) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 05 2012,23:27) You simply do not believe that satans are beings……………….
That is the bottom line, Kerwin.But if Gene would ever directly answer the question I keep re-posting for him, my follow up questions would surely bring him to see the flaw in his understanding.
But one can only lead the horse to the water……………..
Mike………….Satans are Beings, they are Human Beings or don't you believe what Jesus called Peter and Judas and the Pharisees. Kerwin and i both understand how Human Being can and are Satan's becasue of that kind of Spirit working (IN) them. Why do you Preexistences have to even change what Jesus himself say to make it fit you dogmas. You say on the one hand you believe Jesus and on the other hand reject his words.Satan is a Spirit that work though the power of the Air, Now having said that let me ask you, why through the Power of the Air?, is that not becasue that is how words are expressed through sound wave going through the Air to our ears and then entering into our minds.
Satan is a SPIRIT the works (IN) the childern of disobedience, Just as GOD is a Spirit that works in the Childern of Obedience> IMO
Again i say to you, you have not understood what a Spirit (IS) or you could easily understand this. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………………….gene
Gene B.You say that satan are human beings; what about the satan in God,and Jesus?
Need to study these scriptures carefully:
John 2:19. Jesus answered and said; Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up.
(Did Jesus share the temple of God with satan)?1 Cor3:16.Know ye not that ye are the temple of God? and that the spirit of God dwelleth in you?
(is God sharing his temple with satan)?The spirit of satan is in the wicked;yes, buT-HE- is not; unless he is possessed by satan.Satan is a creature created by God,full of wisdom,but he got too smart,HE HAS HIS OWN SINGULAR,PLAN OF HIS OWN. THAT IS TO BE AS GOD.
(the evil in all of us has no such a plan,to sit in the temple of God). AGREE?wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 08 2012,09:05) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 07 2012,08:39) Satan is a Spirit that work though the power of the Air………….
So in Job 1, a “spirit that works through the power of the air” came along with the angels to present itself before God? And God asked this “spirit that works through the power of the air” where it had come from?Am I on track so far, Gene?
Mike ………Where in Job does it say the angels of God? it says the Sons of GOD, and yes the Spirits of God do come before him. There are seven of them before the throne of God. These Spirits are all Kinds and types of Life giving (intellects) they are the very producers of Life itself. They influence our hearts and minds and as a result our wills. Again you are not understanding what a Spirit (IS) and it is causing you to stumble all over the place here. Spirit are not Beings as we know Beings, they are what is (IN) Beings rather of God or ha-satan it make no difference they still produce their own individual effects (IN) all Beings they are (IN)> The LORD (Yahweh) was communing to a Spirit he created in the first place. Think about it Mike.Let this mind be (IN) you that was (IN) Christ Jesus our Lord. and again if the Spirit that raised Christ Jesus from the dead be (IN) you “IT” will also quicken your “MORTAL” BODY Did you not notice the WORD “IT” does that describe a Person or Being to you? .
Jesus did describe the Father as a Being ,but later He said he described him in a Proverbial (fictions Language) and would in the future speak plainly about him. Why is that Mike?. You view of God as a PERSON is Wrong He is not a Person He is a SPIRIT> And Spirits though they exist are (NOT) Persons or Beings they are what is “IN” Persons and Beings and that includes angels also.
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 09 2012,09:20) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 08 2012,09:05) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 07 2012,08:39) Satan is a Spirit that work though the power of the Air………….
So in Job 1, a “spirit that works through the power of the air” came along with the angels to present itself before God? And God asked this “spirit that works through the power of the air” where it had come from?Am I on track so far, Gene?
Mike ………Where in Job does it say the angels of God? it says the Sons of GOD, and yes the Spirits of God do come before him. There are seven of them before the throne of God. These Spirits are all Kinds and types of Life giving (intellects) they are the very producers of Life itself. They influence our hearts and minds and as a result our wills. Again you are not understanding what a Spirit (IS) and it is causing you to stumble all over the place here. Spirit are not Beings as we know Beings, they are what is (IN) Beings rather of God or ha-satan it make no difference they still produce their own individual effects (IN) all Beings they are (IN)> The LORD (Yahweh) was communing to a Spirit he created in the first place. Think about it Mike.Let this mind be (IN) you that was (IN) Christ Jesus our Lord. and again if the Spirit that raised Christ Jesus from the dead be (IN) you “IT” will also quicken your “MORTAL” BODY Did you not notice the WORD “IT” does that describe a Person or Being to you? .
Jesus did describe the Father as a Being ,but later He said he described him in a Proverbial (fictions Language) and would in the future speak plainly about him. Why is that Mike?. You view of God as a PERSON is Wrong He is not a Person He is a SPIRIT> And Spirits though they exist are (NOT) Persons or Beings they are what is “IN” Persons and Beings and that includes angels also.
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………..gene
gQuote Jesus did describe the Father as a Being ,but later He said he described him in a Proverbial (fictions Language) and would in the future speak plainly about him. Why is that Mike?. You view of God as a PERSON is Wrong He is not a Person He is a SPIRIT> And Spirits though they exist are (NOT) Persons or Beings they are what is “IN” Persons and Beings and that includes angels also. you are close to spiritual insanity ,if not there already ,but this is your choice ,in almost tree years that I know you ,you have not understand a thing or advance a thing in scriptures ,so you could be called spiritually dead ,you have twist,mislead scriptures in all possible way s ,what is next
dead not live 
Gene,
Quote Satan is a SPIRIT the works (IN) the childern of disobedience, Just as GOD is a Spirit that works in the Childern of Obedience The spirit of Satan does work in those that are disobedient, be they angel or human.
Satan is a descriptive name of an angel within whom the Spirit of Satan does work; just as messenger is of those angels that serve as God's messengers.
The chief satan bears the name Satan.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 08 2012,09:20) ……….yes the Spirits of God do come before him.
So your answer is that “Satan”, in Job 1, was one of the seven spirits of God?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 08 2012,02:06) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 07 2012,03:17) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 07 2012,01:43) Wakeup………Again you ignore what i wrote. If “Gabre'el”, that you say has a body and is the an angel that tempted EVE, then POST YOU SCRIPTURES , I for one do not see that written in any Bible Scriptures I have. peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………….gene
GeneB.GADRE'EL.NOT GABRI'EL.
Its in the book of enoch.This is your believe:
Satan has not a body,but his angels has bodies.(so the evil in us is leading the fallen angels)?
God was speaking to the evil in him,and this evil in God; can answer back.So also with Jesus; he was speaking to the evil(satan) in him; and this evil can anwer back,and pick him up to a high pinnacle,and left him there till the angels came?
Satan did not come into Judas,but came out of Judas.The red dragon is satan,but it is the evil in us.
These are your believes.That evil has a mind,can have a coversation,can plan,has intelligents.All in all;we are all possessed by satan.
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So this means that everywhere jesus and the 12 apostles went satan went with them.
We are all satan. you are letting the very guilty one escape,and pronounce him not guilty.So satan appearing as an angel of light means that we are appearing like an angel of light;or the evil in us appearing as an angel of light? how thats done I-dont-know-?
THIS IS CONFUSION.
wakeup.
Wakeup………..If you understood what a Spirit really (IS) you could easily understand how that is done. The Spirit of Ha-satan, works in Angels (messengers) either human or Angelic (Beings). It is a Spirit that can be (IN) anyone>You believe that there is “Pinnacle” somewhere on this earth that a person can see all the earth and its Kingdoms , but you cant tell me where that is, i would bet on it.
Jesus' battle was not with a being outside of Him it was His own Human Nature he was putting to death in the wilderness, he master himself, Just as God told Cain that sin was at the door (of his heart) and He must master it , Jesus had to master his Potential of sin also, and He did in the wilderness.
You must understand Jesus knew who he was and what powers were given him over all the earth and everything in it. This was a great temptation to him , He could have turned those stones to Bread at will if he wanted to, or Jumped off a cliff and the angels would have prevented him from injury or death, He could have used the Power God gave him to rule all the earth also , He knew who he was and the powers given him and He had to overcome his human Nature and Master this temptation working (IN) him and He did it with the Anointing Spirit of God working (IN) him. He master his very own Nature in the wilderness.
be of good cheer, for I have overcome And everyone who overcomes “EVEN” as I have , i shall grant him to sit with Me in “MY” kingdom , even as i Have overcome and am sit down with MY Father in (HIS) Kingdom. Wakeup think about it>
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………gene
Gene B.Satan took Jesus on a pinnacle; and showd him the future of HIS kingdoms. A VISION OF SATANS KINGDOMS. now how can the evil in man, and angels, and God, and Jesus himself, do that? The evil inside man running all those kingdoms and also seeing the future?
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Gene.
God created lucifer the anointed cherub.who is he?Isiah14.and Ezek.28.wakeup.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 08 2012,17:36) Satan took Jesus on a pinnacle; and showd him the future of HIS kingdoms.
Not only showed him the kingdoms of the earth, but offered them to Jesus saying, “They were given to me, and I can give them to anyone I choose”.Apparently, the evil inside of Jesus was offering Jesus the kingdoms of the earth.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 09 2012,11:08) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 08 2012,17:36) Satan took Jesus on a pinnacle; and showd him the future of HIS kingdoms.
Not only showed him the kingdoms of the earth, but offered them to Jesus saying, “They were given to me, and I can give them to anyone I choose”.Apparently, the evil inside of Jesus was offering Jesus the kingdoms of the earth.
To all……………Satan is a Spirit that works in all mankind “IT” rules in Men in “HIGH PLACES” in the earth. I ask any of you to produce one Scripture that says Satan is an Angel Just one and this discussion will be over. And please don't dance around this and produce all kind of you reasonings, like LUCIFER ( rising star garbage) Just produce the scripture that say SATAN is a ANGEL. That will suffice me. I maintain Satan or ha-satan, is a adversarial SPIRIT(intellect) that goes through out all the earth and is in every man and women and must be mastered by God Spirit in us all. IMOpeace and love to you all……………………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 10 2012,10:15) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 09 2012,11:08) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 08 2012,17:36) Satan took Jesus on a pinnacle; and showd him the future of HIS kingdoms.
Not only showed him the kingdoms of the earth, but offered them to Jesus saying, “They were given to me, and I can give them to anyone I choose”.Apparently, the evil inside of Jesus was offering Jesus the kingdoms of the earth.
To all……………Satan is a Spirit that works in all mankind “IT” rules in Men in “HIGH PLACES” in the earth. I ask any of you to produce one Scripture that says Satan is an Angel Just one and this discussion will be over. And please don't dance around this and produce all kind of you reasonings, like LUCIFER ( rising star garbage) Just produce the scripture that say SATAN is a ANGEL. That will suffice me. I maintain Satan or ha-satan, is a adversarial SPIRIT(intellect) that goes through out all the earth and is in every man and women and must be mastered by God Spirit in us all. IMOpeace and love to you all……………………………………….gene
gso there was no snake in the three in Eden ,and Eve did not eat of the three of knowledge ,and the curse to the snake never happen either
?man ,you are a fake
Mike……..You denial that Jesus was tempted in all thing even as we are, is not scriptural. He show us all “HOW” to overcome our very own Selves and Put ourselves to death and therefore our own will, and submit to the will of God. He had the same exact problem we all had in every way. But you and yours separatist Religious doctrines prevent you and others form understanding this, It drives a wedge between Jesus Human identity and our Identity with Him also. Believe me when i tell you Jesus had NO ADVANTAGE over an MAN “except” God the Father was (in) him and with HIM, giving Him the victory over “himself” as shown in the Wilderness where he proved his mastering of Human Nature.
Mike if you can't see this then how can you believe you can “ALSO” (the same as Jesus) “OVERCOME” when in your Heart you deny His exact identity with YOU as having the same Human Nature we all have. Jesus had no advantage Mike “EXCEPT” the FATHER was WITH HIM , that of the “EXACT” same advantage all true SAINT'S HAVE also and are able to OVERCOME “EXACTLY” as JESUS DID by that Same Spirit of the FATHER> IMO
When it comes to Humanity I see Jesus exactly as i see myself a 100% human being born from DNA through a Women , rather God Manipulated that DNA to Meet what he wanted Jesus to Look like is irrelevant he still came into “BEING” as a Flesh being.
Mike…I come alongside Jesus as My elder Brother, who “OUR” Father has Placed over His Family, i see myself as a member of that Family of God, I do not separate Jesus from my own Human Identity , When it comes to salvation i do not give him anymore advantage then i have becasue it was the Same God that saved Him and raised him from the Grave that can “ALSO” quicken my mortal body also. I do not Move Jesus away from me by separating his likeness of me He is my Elder Brother in the Household of GOD placed in authority by My FATHER and HIS FATHER.
Mike……All Trinitarians and Preexistences are destroyers of the truth of God and are “Separatist” , who change Jesus' true Identity. They have changed Jesus image into the IMAGE of Man of SIN ,by making him different then a HUMAN BEING. But as it say Jesus will abolish that LIE when He returns by the Breath of His own Mouth (his words) and will bring and end to all these LIES about Him. But until them all these LIES will continue because God has sent the deluding Spirit into those that preach these things. But what will you do in that Day when Jesus cast out all those false teachings, is the question . IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………………………………..gene
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Quote When it comes to Humanity I see Jesus exactly as i see myself a 100% human being born from DNA through a Women , rather God Manipulated that DNA to Meet what he wanted Jesus to Look like is irrelevant he still came into “BEING” as a Flesh being. 100% DNA of man means that the father and mother are humans so you believe Christ was Joseph son right
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