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Mike and Wakeup…………………..Well who is ignoring what I QUOTED out of Scriptures Me or YOU TWO>
The very answer to you questions that you say i Ignored is in what i “QUOTED” YOU Bother. Satan is an ADVERSARIAL SPIRIT (INTELLECT) , Just as GOD is a SPIRIT and either can “INDWELL” a Person and become Part of that Persons Makeup. You both see Spirit as and individual Persons instead of ASPECTS or ATTRIBUTES attached to a person. Therefore you both can not truly believe that GOD the FATHER who (IS) Spirit was indeed PRESENT (IN) JESUS, All Spirits can enter a person or leave them if the door of their Hearts (mind) allows it. All Spirits desire us all, It s just a matter of what KIND or TYPE we allow to come into us. That will effect our hearts and minds. IMO
peace and love to you all……………………………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 01 2012,01:49) Mike and Wakeup…………………..Well who is ignoring what I QUOTED out of Scriptures Me or YOU TWO> The very answer to you questions that you say i Ignored is in what i “QUOTED” YOU Bother. Satan is an ADVERSARIAL SPIRIT (INTELLECT) , Just as GOD is a SPIRIT and either can “INDWELL” a Person and become Part of that Persons Makeup. You both see Spirit as and individual Persons instead of ASPECTS or ATTRIBUTES attached to a person. Therefore you both can not truly believe that GOD the FATHER who (IS) Spirit was indeed PRESENT (IN) JESUS, All Spirits can enter a person or leave them if the door of their Hearts (mind) allows it. All Spirits desire us all, It s just a matter of what KIND or TYPE we allow to come into us. That will effect our hearts and minds. IMO
peace and love to you all……………………………………………gene
GeneB.Stop dancing with us.You are not the only good dancer here.
why not just answer the questions and clarify.
See previous page.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 31 2012,17:00) Quote (terraricca @ July 31 2012,09:46) Quote (Wakeup @ July 31 2012,14:27) Quote (terraricca @ July 30 2012,11:47) Quote (Wakeup @ July 30 2012,16:47) This is the problem ;If they can not answer a question they simply ignore it,and go somewhere else.
Where is that hunger for the truth? how can we ever learn more? we must be honest. what is the problem if some one knows more; its all given anyway its not our own doings.Greetings to you.
wakeup.
wupI like your comment ,I wander if you would follow it
?
Terra.Is there an honest question that I have not answered?
What is it? Have I ever runned away from a question?wakeup.
it was just a simple question
Yes,Terra and what was that simple quesstion?wakeup.
I wander if you would follow it ?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 01 2012,01:49) Mike and Wakeup…………………..Well who is ignoring what I QUOTED out of Scriptures Me or YOU TWO> The very answer to you questions that you say i Ignored is in what i “QUOTED” YOU Bother. Satan is an ADVERSARIAL SPIRIT (INTELLECT) , Just as GOD is a SPIRIT and either can “INDWELL” a Person and become Part of that Persons Makeup. You both see Spirit as and individual Persons instead of ASPECTS or ATTRIBUTES attached to a person. Therefore you both can not truly believe that GOD the FATHER who (IS) Spirit was indeed PRESENT (IN) JESUS, All Spirits can enter a person or leave them if the door of their Hearts (mind) allows it. All Spirits desire us all, It s just a matter of what KIND or TYPE we allow to come into us. That will effect our hearts and minds. IMO
peace and love to you all……………………………………………gene
Hi Gene,Your logic has 'holes' here. Let me
know if you want me to explain how.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ July 31 2012,11:00) GeneB. Stop dancing with us.
This is why I walked away from this discussion a while back, and said I'd just watch the conversation between you and Gene.Gene doesn't directly answer questions very often. He prefers to keep the waters muddy with his novels that ALWAYS explain how nobody else but him understands what spirits are, but NEVER quite address the point that the other person made.
Job 1:7
The LORD said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”Gene, can you tell us, IN 10 WORDS OR LESS, to whom Jehovah asked this question?
Ie: Did He ask a spirit inside someone? Was He asking one of His own seven spirits? Was He asking Himself?
WHO?
Mike…………God Speaks directly to the Spirit he makes , he speaks directly to us also. Each Spirit is a Specific (intellect) good or evil it produces a Specific type or Kind of life intellect. The ha-satan or adversarial Spirit is a (TYPE) and Kind of Spirit . It can be (IN) anyone at any given time. (IT) was (IN) PETER causing PETER to be a SATAN to Jesus. When a Spirit of any kind is (IN) a Person it becomes Part of that Person (IT) Produces (ITS) effect (IN) them rather GOOD or EVIL SPIRITS all Spirits in a person produce an effect in that persons life becasue Spirit are not “BEINGS” they are the Life (IN) BEINGS. They can be removed or replaced by Yahweh. the also can be removed by any one he gives the power to do it to.
As i have said you have no idea what a Spirit is or you could easily understand this. Your belief that Spirits are beings as persons is simply untrue. They are created types of LIFE Giving FORCES, but are not Beings like a Person is., Just as i have shown you by the Personifications of Wisdom and Love , ha-satan and even GOD is personified in scripture as a Persons.
I also have shown you there are SEVEN SPIRITS of or (FROM) GOD these also make up the eyes or the seven (INTELLECT) of GOD. You have refused to believe that also even though i quoted the direct scriptures that show it . You and Wakeup accused me of ignoring scripture when in fact it is you two that are. Why have you not committed on the scriptures i quoted you? Is it that they contradict your claims and you had rather not deal with them so instead start to ridiculing me and turn it around as if i were the one ignoring you.
God created all spirits and the includes the ha-satan spirit as well as your and mine and all who have life as far as that goes, each spirit add (ITS) influence of Life to everyone (IT) is IN rather God or ha-satan spirit. You still can believe GOD was truly (IN) Jesus becasue of you present belief that a Spirit is a PERSON instead of a LIFE FORCE (IN) a PERSON. What do you think it means when it say “THAT GOD WILL BE ALL AND IN ALL> How does your separate “PERSON or BEING fit that SCRIPTURE and what did Jesus mean when He said the FATHER IS (IN)ME. I realize you disbelieve Jesus' words and therefore can't believe God was truly (IN) Jesus can YOU? To you the word Spirit has all kinds of meaning as you have said many times , but to me hat is not true Spirit doe not have all kind of meanings. What does it mean when God said he would “POUR FORTH His SPIRIT UPON ALL FLESH” that alone should give you some kind of clue to what Spirit is> IMO
Your ignorance of what a Spirit (IS) is the Problem Here Mike, no me ignoring anything. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………….gene
Gene,
Is this your answer to my question:
Mike, God was asking the ha-satan adversarial Spirit where it had been. ?
I can't tell which part of your HUGE post actually answers the question I asked you. Was I right?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 01 2012,12:11) Mike…………God Speaks directly to the Spirit he makes , he speaks directly to us also. Each Spirit is a Specific (intellect) good or evil it produces a Specific type or Kind of life intellect. The ha-satan or adversarial Spirit is a (TYPE) and Kind of Spirit . It can be (IN) anyone at any given time. (IT) was (IN) PETER causing PETER to be a SATAN to Jesus. When a Spirit of any kind is (IN) a Person it becomes Part of that Person (IT) Produces (ITS) effect (IN) them rather GOOD or EVIL SPIRITS all Spirits in a person produce an effect in that persons life becasue Spirit are not “BEINGS” they are the Life (IN) BEINGS. They can be removed or replaced by Yahweh. the also can be removed by any one he gives the power to do it to. As i have said you have no idea what a Spirit is or you could easily understand this. Your belief that Spirits are beings as persons is simply untrue. They are created types of LIFE Giving FORCES, but are not Beings like a Person is., Just as i have shown you by the Personifications of Wisdom and Love , ha-satan and even GOD is personified in scripture as a Persons.
I also have shown you there are SEVEN SPIRITS of or (FROM) GOD these also make up the eyes or the seven (INTELLECT) of GOD. You have refused to believe that also even though i quoted the direct scriptures that show it . You and Wakeup accused me of ignoring scripture when in fact it is you two that are. Why have you not committed on the scriptures i quoted you? Is it that they contradict your claims and you had rather not deal with them so instead start to ridiculing me and turn it around as if i were the one ignoring you.
God created all spirits and the includes the ha-satan spirit as well as your and mine and all who have life as far as that goes, each spirit add (ITS) influence of Life to everyone (IT) is IN rather God or ha-satan spirit. You still can believe GOD was truly (IN) Jesus becasue of you present belief that a Spirit is a PERSON instead of a LIFE FORCE (IN) a PERSON. What do you think it means when it say “THAT GOD WILL BE ALL AND IN ALL> How does your separate “PERSON or BEING fit that SCRIPTURE and what did Jesus mean when He said the FATHER IS (IN)ME. I realize you disbelieve Jesus' words and therefore can't believe God was truly (IN) Jesus can YOU? To you the word Spirit has all kinds of meaning as you have said many times , but to me hat is not true Spirit doe not have all kind of meanings. What does it mean when God said he would “POUR FORTH His SPIRIT UPON ALL FLESH” that alone should give you some kind of clue to what Spirit is> IMO
Your ignorance of what a Spirit (IS) is the Problem Here Mike, no me ignoring anything. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………….gene
Gene B.I think here is where the misunderstanding lies.
God is a spirit,but he has a body(shape).
Jesus quote; no man has heard his voice nor seen his shape.Jesus has a body(shape).His words is spirit without a body,but a force.(the words that I speak they are spirit).
The holy spirit has no body,but a force; this is the reason why he was not sitting next to God,only Jesus.(or the lamb).
Gods 7 spirits is a force.
SAtan has a body,but his spirit is unholy,that effects(inspired) mankind.
The fallen angels have bodies,and their spirit also effects man kind.
Our spirit,has no body;and that spirit can be good or bad(wicked).
Depends on which side we are standing.The spirit of life (breath of life), is a force,that goes back to God at death.
The soul is the essence of the individuals life time.
It has no body,but will be given one, at the resurrection.The spirit of this world is the spirit(the will) of satan.It has no body,just a force.
The spirit to win in a competition,has no body,but a force(will).
wakeup.
Wakeup………..Spirit (Is) what LIFE (IS) Yes it is a force because Spirit itself (IS) Life. Word are simply the expression of that Life Force (IN) a Person. God is a SPIRIT and can therefore can (INDWELL) anyone and effect his or her life with it Life force. The same of ha-satan (it)m is a life force and can become part of anyones life it is in. So can clean and unclean Spirits. Spirits are not “Person” they are the Life forces (IN) a Person. Just that simple. You and Mike have both failed to address the “Direct Quoits” i have produced why is that?
peace and love to you …………………………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 03 2012,02:47) Wakeup………..Spirit (Is) what LIFE (IS) Yes it is a force because Spirit itself (IS) Life. Word are simply the expression of that Life Force (IN) a Person. God is a SPIRIT and can therefore can (INDWELL) anyone and effect his or her life with it Life force. The same of ha-satan (it)m is a life force and can become part of anyones life it is in. So can clean and unclean Spirits. Spirits are not “Person” they are the Life forces (IN) a Person. Just that simple. You and Mike have both failed to address the “Direct Quoits” i have produced why is that? peace and love to you …………………………………………gene
Gene B.Why cant you understand such a simple thing?
You believe that the fallen angels have bodies.yes/no.
wakeup.
Wakeup………..> what does fallen angels have to do with the Word SPIRIT. They have bodies with Spirits (IN) them Just as we also have Bodies with Spirits (in) them God make their Spirits just as He made our Spirits. That has nothing to do with the”WORD” SPIRIT, Spirit are not bodies they are what is (IN) Bodies. Therefore we are told to try the “SPIRITS” to see if they are of GOD. We are told that to determine what Kind or type of Spirit is working (IN) a Persons “BODY”by influencing their minds. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 02 2012,09:47) You and Mike have both failed to address the “Direct Quoits” i have produced why is that?
Wakeup just answered all of your points in the 7th post on the previous page, Gene.He is telling you what I've been telling you for years in the “Bodies” thread.
You are right that SOMETIMES, spirit is just a force instead of an actual being. But MANY times in the scriptures, the word “spirit” refers to a BEING, Gene. (Remember me telling you countless times that there is difference between things like “team spirit” and “angels being ministering spirits”?)
You think ALL spirit has the “team spirit” kind of definition, in that it is a force, or feeling, and not an actual being. But that is not the case. Every angel is a spirit – meaning “spirit BEING”. Satan and his demons are spirits – meaning “spirit BEINGS”. They think on their own, and decide of their own free will whether to live according to the will of God or not – just like us human beings.
Gene, instead of a long explanatory post, please just give me a simple, clear, and direct answer to the following:
Job 1:7
The LORD said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”Gene, to whom did Jehovah ask this question?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 03 2012,06:19) Wakeup………..> what does fallen angels have to do with the Word SPIRIT. They have bodies with Spirits (IN) them Just as we also have Bodies with Spirits (in) them God make their Spirits just as He made our Spirits. That has nothing to do with the”WORD” SPIRIT, Spirit are not bodies they are what is (IN) Bodies. Therefore we are told to try the “SPIRITS” to see if they are of GOD. We are told that to determine what Kind or type of Spirit is working (IN) a Persons “BODY”by influencing their minds. IMO peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………………..gene
GeneB.So if angels have bodies; what is the reason that their chief has no body?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2012,03:08) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 03 2012,06:19) Wakeup………..> what does fallen angels have to do with the Word SPIRIT. They have bodies with Spirits (IN) them Just as we also have Bodies with Spirits (in) them God make their Spirits just as He made our Spirits. That has nothing to do with the”WORD” SPIRIT, Spirit are not bodies they are what is (IN) Bodies. Therefore we are told to try the “SPIRITS” to see if they are of GOD. We are told that to determine what Kind or type of Spirit is working (IN) a Persons “BODY”by influencing their minds. IMO peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………………..gene
GeneB.So if angels have bodies; what is the reason that their chief has no body?
wakeup.
Wakeup……….Their “Chief” as you say is not a “BRING
(IT) is a SPIRIT that works disobedience. Likes it says “The spirit that works in the childern of disobedience”. That is not a “BEING” it is a SPIRIT. It was this very same Spirit that caused Adam and Eve to disobey God in the First Place, and still work in the childern of disobedience, to this very day, (IT) was in the Pharisees and Peter and Judas , it was not “BEINGS” jumping (IN) and out, the but That ha-satan Spirit which was (in) them effecting their thought and hence their words and actions.There is no Person or Being going around jumping in and out of People, there is only Spirits that can invade a persons mind and effect their thinking. All Spirit can be removed and replaced in a “PERSON”, clean or unclean, good (godly) or evil ha-satan (adversarial), Spirit come in all kinds and types but they can be broken or narrowed down into two major types Evil or GOOD. These two types or Kinds of knowledge were in the garden of Eden they are Life producing types and Kinds of knowledge. They are Spirits, producing life forces and are in all living things and will exist for ever. They give contrast of what life is , good or evil knowledge each are necessary because one explains the other, like up and down , you could not know what up was unless you knew what down was, because one explains the other , so it is with good and evil they are necessary to give sense to life. We must with God's help Master the Evil Spirit force by living Godly lives.
An angel is not a Spirit, they have Spirits Made by God (IN) them they do have bodies. Where it say He makes His Angel's Spirits doesn not mean the angels are themselves Spirit “BEINGS” it only mean God makes their Spirits they have (IN) them. Angels are “BEINGS” and Have Bodies. Just as we do except their “BODIES” are able to live forever and our as they are can die. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………gene
Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 03 2012,06:03) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 03 2012,02:47) Wakeup………..Spirit (Is) what LIFE (IS) Yes it is a force because Spirit itself (IS) Life. Word are simply the expression of that Life Force (IN) a Person. God is a SPIRIT and can therefore can (INDWELL) anyone and effect his or her life with it Life force. The same of ha-satan (it)m is a life force and can become part of anyones life it is in. So can clean and unclean Spirits. Spirits are not “Person” they are the Life forces (IN) a Person. Just that simple. You and Mike have both failed to address the “Direct Quoits” i have produced why is that? peace and love to you …………………………………………gene
Gene B.Why cant you understand such a simple thing?
You believe that the fallen angels have bodies.yes/no.
wakeup.
Wakeup……….Yes i do believe fallen angels have bodies. It is not me saying Angels are SPIRITS. Angels have Spirits , just as we also do, and they have Bodies Just as we do except they with the bodies they have can live in them forever. IMOpeace and love to you and yours………………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 04 2012,05:15) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 03 2012,06:03) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 03 2012,02:47) Wakeup………..Spirit (Is) what LIFE (IS) Yes it is a force because Spirit itself (IS) Life. Word are simply the expression of that Life Force (IN) a Person. God is a SPIRIT and can therefore can (INDWELL) anyone and effect his or her life with it Life force. The same of ha-satan (it)m is a life force and can become part of anyones life it is in. So can clean and unclean Spirits. Spirits are not “Person” they are the Life forces (IN) a Person. Just that simple. You and Mike have both failed to address the “Direct Quoits” i have produced why is that? peace and love to you …………………………………………gene
Gene B.Why cant you understand such a simple thing?
You believe that the fallen angels have bodies.yes/no.
wakeup.
Wakeup……….Yes i do believe fallen angels have bodies. It is not me saying Angels are SPIRITS. Angels have Spirits , just as we also do, and they have Bodies Just as we do except they with the bodies they have can live in them forever. IMOpeace and love to you and yours………………………………….gene
Gene B.So what you are saying is,that the devil and his angels;is really the evil inside the angels,And this evil can lead,as a leader does.
The devil and –HIS– angels.Evil and –HIS–angels.Can an army be led by an invisible evil inside the soldiers?
Will there not be keos?What about lucifer,son of the morning,full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. is he just the spirit of evil?
But it says that he was good before he BECAME evil.(Isaiah14,Ez.28.).
Was evil good; before it became evil?
Or has evil always been evil? from the beginning?Before God created the earth: was there evil in heaven?
wakeup.
Wakeup……………The Devil and according to Jesus, “His Childern the Pharisees”, now does the mean the Devil Fathered those Pharisees . No it means they were doing (its) bidding by a deceiving Adversarial Spirit at work in them, All Evil deeds and working is summarized as the work of a Devil or a Satan. When Jesus called Peter Satan, did that mean Peter was this Satan “Being” you believe in?, or was Peter expressing that what was working (IN) him, a deceiving adversarial Spirit.
Yes Evil always existed and so did Good, you could not even know what Evil is unless you knew what Good is and you could not even Know what Good is unless you knew what evil is , they explain each other in life by types and Kinds, like left explains what right is , or up explains what down is and visa versa . These are opposites expressions giving us understanding just as Good and evil do.
Wakeup, your confusing Physical things with Spiritual things, as many do here, Spirits can not be seen except by the minds eye. Jesus said the things he spoke of were Spiritual and must be Spiritual “perceived” , that which is flesh (bodied) is flesh that which is Spiirt, is Spirit (non bodied). IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………………………gene
Gene, instead of a long explanatory post, please just give me a simple, clear, and direct answer to the following:
Job 1:7
The LORD said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”Gene, to whom did Jehovah ask this question?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 03 2012,06:19) Wakeup………..> what does fallen angels have to do with the Word SPIRIT. They have bodies with Spirits (IN) them Just as we also have Bodies with Spirits (in) them God make their Spirits just as He made our Spirits. That has nothing to do with the”WORD” SPIRIT, Spirit are not bodies they are what is (IN) Bodies. Therefore we are told to try the “SPIRITS” to see if they are of GOD. We are told that to determine what Kind or type of Spirit is working (IN) a Persons “BODY”by influencing their minds. IMO peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………………..gene
Gene B.God is a spirit: does he have a body; a shape; Jesus says yes.
What do you say? you want to disagree?Does the Holy spirit have a body? I say no; because the Holy spirit is the spirit of truth,this is the reason, we dont see any scriptures say about him sitting next to God. Only Jesus.
Does the spirit of lies and wickedness have a body ? No.
But a person can be filled with it. true/false?Does the spirit of jealousy have a body? no.
Why ? we are born with it, because of satan;we have inherited it; its inside us.Does satan have a body? yes;because he is the leader of the fallen angels,and he was the beautiful cherub,created by God,and filled himself with evil thoughts,and bacame the father of evil. All evil comes from him and Eve
was his first victim.Angels are creatures created with a body made of light.
They have a glorified body. We also will have the same body.
We also will be able to apppear and disappear.
Now you see/now you dont.wakeup.
wakeup.
Gene,
Do you realize you infer Satan exists when you admit the fallen angels are ruled by the Satan spirit?
This is as the Satan spirit is what makes them satans, and the chief of satans is named Satan.
Your argument is not over the existence of Satan; who is literally the chief of fallen angels that are ruled by the Satan spirit.
You simply do not believe that satans are beings that live inside of human beings.
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