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Terricca…………Yes an “EVIL” adversary is an EVIL Spirit (intellect) working in the childern of disobedience. Which makes them SATANS or DEVILS to GOD and Jesus. The Spirit of Disobedience is a “PROPENSITY” all men have (IN) them, “IT” causes them to sin and it is like a LION Crouched at the Door of all mens hearts and must be mastered, just as God told CAIN. The concept of Satan being a PERSON is false the only Satans and Devils are people themselves.
Jesus said to the Pharisees they did the deed of their Father the DEVIL or SATAN, This shows the “PROPENSITY” that is in man. It is Man who are the Devils and Satan on this earth and have Power in HIGH PLACES , not some unseen “BEING” or PERSON. It is the SPIRIT of WICKEDNESS working (IN) Man himself that makes man DEVILS and SATANS, not some elusive “BEING” going around jumping in and out of people as some here assume. IMO
peace and love to you and yours Pierre………………………………………………….gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 24 2012,07:06) Hi GB,
Jodi who?
Is she an anointed teacher?
Should we follow folk other than Jesus Christ?
Nick…………Joid was the one who started this thread Nick, I believe Jodi was given that understanding from God and as far as her being anointed or Not you nor anyone here knows that, but i believe she has expressed the truth in this Subject and has backed it up with many scriptures , if you had read what she has said on the subject you would have seen that already.As far as your question should we follow folk other the Jesus Christ, my answer would be , follow the truth , because that is what Jesus did.
Jesus spoke the truth but not always in a clear language, as He said, so on “hearing they rear not and seeing they see not”. Most of what Jesus told People was not meant to be clearly understood Nick, the true understanding is given to his true disciples and followers, even now this is true. IMO
peace and lvoe to you and yours…………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 25 2012,07:36) Terricca…………Yes an “EVIL” adversary is an EVIL Spirit (intellect) working in the childern of disobedience. Which makes them SATANS or DEVILS to GOD and Jesus. The Spirit of Disobedience is a “PROPENSITY” all men have (IN) them, “IT” causes them to sin and it is like a LION Crouched at the Door of all mens hearts and must be mastered, just as God told CAIN. The concept of Satan being a PERSON is false the only Satans and Devils are people themselves. Jesus said to the Pharisees they did the deed of their Father the DEVIL or SATAN, This shows the “PROPENSITY” that is in man. It is Man who are the Devils and Satan on this earth and have Power in HIGH PLACES , not some unseen “BEING” or PERSON. It is the SPIRIT of WICKEDNESS working (IN) Man himself that makes man DEVILS and SATANS, not some elusive “BEING” going around jumping in and out of people as some here assume. IMO
peace and love to you and yours Pierre………………………………………………….gene
genescriptures tells us that their is a war going on, between the falling angels and the angels of God (not corrupted) and it reflects on what is going on ,on earth, this is why peace cannot be under this world no matter what they do (leaders of the world )because of Satan and his army of angels,
the fact that Christ came to set up in place the way for reconciliation with God this is what it is all about,Satan try to cancel this out because it would be his dead ,but no matter what he does God will succeed ,
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2012,12:15) Who is it that sends the evil adversary spirit into us, Gene? God?
Mikei do not believe that it is send into us ,but TO US it is us that accept it or reject it,this his the choice we have and the fight we are fighting and that Christ help us to win
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 25 2012,00:36) Terricca…………Yes an “EVIL” adversary is an EVIL Spirit (intellect) working in the childern of disobedience. Which makes them SATANS or DEVILS to GOD and Jesus. The Spirit of Disobedience is a “PROPENSITY” all men have (IN) them, “IT” causes them to sin and it is like a LION Crouched at the Door of all mens hearts and must be mastered, just as God told CAIN. The concept of Satan being a PERSON is false the only Satans and Devils are people themselves. Jesus said to the Pharisees they did the deed of their Father the DEVIL or SATAN, This shows the “PROPENSITY” that is in man. It is Man who are the Devils and Satan on this earth and have Power in HIGH PLACES , not some unseen “BEING” or PERSON. It is the SPIRIT of WICKEDNESS working (IN) Man himself that makes man DEVILS and SATANS, not some elusive “BEING” going around jumping in and out of people as some here assume. IMO
peace and love to you and yours Pierre………………………………………………….gene
To all readers:REv20:1.And I saw an angel come down from heaven,having the key of the bottomless pit and a GREAT CHAIN in his hand.
2. And he laid hold on the dragon,that OLD SERPENT,which is the -DEVIL- and -SATAN-, and BOUND -HIM- a thousand years.
3. And cast -HIM- into the bottomless pit,and shut -HIM- UP,and set a seal upon -HIM-, that -HE- should deceive the nations no more,till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that -HE- shall be loosed a little season.
7. And when the thousand years are expired,SATAN shall be loosed out of -HIS- prison.
10. And the -DEVIL- that deceived them(NOT IN THEM) was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone,where the beast and the false prophet are,and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Do you noticed that The DEVIL, SATAN is a -HE-?
Not just a spirit of evil? or a spirit of evil thinking?
Lucifer was created a mighty cherub,and became a rebeller(satan): lucifer(light bearer).His personal name is GADRE'EL the one that tempted Eve.Satan would love a doctrine teaching that he does not realy exist: We are all satans: I wonder where such a doctrine originates? Have you got an idea?
Dont forget we are living in the last days.wakeup.
Good post Wakeup.
I doubt that it will change Gene's mind, but good use of scripture to prove your point.
Quote (terraricca @ June 24 2012,13:01) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2012,12:15) Who is it that sends the evil adversary spirit into us, Gene? God?
Mikei do not believe that it is send into us ,but TO US it is us that accept it or reject it,this his the choice we have and the fight we are fighting and that Christ help us to win
Hi Pierre,It is Gene who says Satan is not a real being, but just an adversarial spirit sent into people's brains or whatever.
My question was designed to help him to see his misunderstanding.
Surely you don't agree with him that Satan is an adversarial intellect that is sent into certain people, do you?
Mike……….Not just and ADVERSARIAL SPIRIT , but and “EVIL” ADVERSARY SPIRIT, and Adversarial Spirit may not alway be evil or dad, it can be used for correction, it depends on the type it is. for “ALL” that is in the world , the (lust) of the eyes , the (lust) of the flesh and the (pride) of life are “FROM THE WORLD”. John tells us.
Saying a Satan “BEING” is the cause of this all is the same as saying that our sins are not our fault, and therefore God is an unjust Judge. Why should he hold us accountable for what someone else has caused? But because (IT) is a Spirit and can live (IN) a person it must be MASTERED or dealt with because (IT) is a Life force which all Spirit are. Therefore God tells Cain if you do well you will be accepted , if not, sin Lies at the “DOOR” (the entrance way of your heart) and you “MUST MASTER IT”. all of us have the “propensity” to sin. We must with the Spirit of God MASTER (IT) the (IT) is a SPIRIT not a PERSON> There is not elusive Satan “Being” going around Jumping in and out of People there is the Spirit of disobedience driven by LUSTS and PRIDE of LIFE which has infected all of man kind. We are not fighting against a “elusive” Satan “BEING” we are fighting again st Evils Spirits working in men of disobedience that is our war fair it is the Spirit (IN) these People that cause the evil (IN) this world. Paul saying we wrestle not against flesh and blood is true we fight against the Spirit working (IN) them. Why because it is the Spirit animating those flesh and blood “BEINGS” or LIVING SOULS>
Therefore Jesus says you “being” EVIL (existing in an evil state) Know how to give good gifts unto your childern , how much more will your father in Heaven give them of his spirit that ask” It is all about Spirits (intellects) working (IN) us all. The reason Jesus called us Evil is becasue we all have the “PROPENSITY” to SIN it is in all mankind. Go back a reread read what Jodi wrote She was right on what she said. IMO
peace and love to you and yours Mike…………………………………………………………..,gene
Quote (Wakeup @ June 25 2012,11:34) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 25 2012,00:36) Terricca…………Yes an “EVIL” adversary is an EVIL Spirit (intellect) working in the childern of disobedience. Which makes them SATANS or DEVILS to GOD and Jesus. The Spirit of Disobedience is a “PROPENSITY” all men have (IN) them, “IT” causes them to sin and it is like a LION Crouched at the Door of all mens hearts and must be mastered, just as God told CAIN. The concept of Satan being a PERSON is false the only Satans and Devils are people themselves. Jesus said to the Pharisees they did the deed of their Father the DEVIL or SATAN, This shows the “PROPENSITY” that is in man. It is Man who are the Devils and Satan on this earth and have Power in HIGH PLACES , not some unseen “BEING” or PERSON. It is the SPIRIT of WICKEDNESS working (IN) Man himself that makes man DEVILS and SATANS, not some elusive “BEING” going around jumping in and out of people as some here assume. IMO
peace and love to you and yours Pierre………………………………………………….gene
To all readers:REv20:1.And I saw an angel come down from heaven,having the key of the bottomless pit and a GREAT CHAIN in his hand.
2. And he laid hold on the dragon,that OLD SERPENT,which is the -DEVIL- and -SATAN-, and BOUND -HIM- a thousand years.
3. And cast -HIM- into the bottomless pit,and shut -HIM- UP,and set a seal upon -HIM-, that -HE- should deceive the nations no more,till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that -HE- shall be loosed a little season.
7. And when the thousand years are expired,SATAN shall be loosed out of -HIS- prison.
10. And the -DEVIL- that deceived them(NOT IN THEM) was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone,where the beast and the false prophet are,and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Do you noticed that The DEVIL, SATAN is a -HE-?
Not just a spirit of evil? or a spirit of evil thinking?
Lucifer was created a mighty cherub,and became a rebeller(satan): lucifer(light bearer).His personal name is GADRE'EL the one that tempted Eve.Satan would love a doctrine teaching that he does not realy exist: We are all satans: I wonder where such a doctrine originates? Have you got an idea?
Dont forget we are living in the last days.wakeup.
Wakeup………..Go to the Start of the Book of Revelations and read where is say ” He “SIGNIFIED” it . That word means (symbolized). the book of revelation is full of symbolic language and is therefore subject to all kinds of speculations of all kinds, Just as the Book of Genesis is also. Many thing in Scripture can not be taken as literal many things are Personified as Wisdom and Love as a she. and even God the FATHER Jesus express in a Proverbial language (factious illustration) he said .That is why we have so many different teachings and distortions of the truth because of all these Personifications , Metaphors, Proverbs, all of these lead to all kind of speculations as witnessed even here. In fact there is so much of this i doubt anyone has all the truth. Paul even suggested he did not also saying “we only see in Part” as if we are looking through an obscured glass.
That also applies to me to So don't think i am trying to put anyone down becasue i am not. We must all grow in grace and Knowledge. Maybe with God help we can work our way through many of the false teachings out their and help edify each other. I am convinced most of these thing we discuss here have nothing to do with our individual salvation, i believe most here has already dealt with that issue of salvation. IMO
peace and love to you and yours Wakeup……………………….gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2012,19:28) Quote (terraricca @ June 24 2012,13:01) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2012,12:15) Who is it that sends the evil adversary spirit into us, Gene? God?
Mikei do not believe that it is send into us ,but TO US it is us that accept it or reject it,this his the choice we have and the fight we are fighting and that Christ help us to win
Hi Pierre,It is Gene who says Satan is not a real being, but just an adversarial spirit sent into people's brains or whatever.
My question was designed to help him to see his misunderstanding.
Surely you don't agree with him that Satan is an adversarial intellect that is sent into certain people, do you?
MikeNO ,this would be believing in false doctrine
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 26 2012,02:08) Quote (Wakeup @ June 25 2012,11:34) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 25 2012,00:36) Terricca…………Yes an “EVIL” adversary is an EVIL Spirit (intellect) working in the childern of disobedience. Which makes them SATANS or DEVILS to GOD and Jesus. The Spirit of Disobedience is a “PROPENSITY” all men have (IN) them, “IT” causes them to sin and it is like a LION Crouched at the Door of all mens hearts and must be mastered, just as God told CAIN. The concept of Satan being a PERSON is false the only Satans and Devils are people themselves. Jesus said to the Pharisees they did the deed of their Father the DEVIL or SATAN, This shows the “PROPENSITY” that is in man. It is Man who are the Devils and Satan on this earth and have Power in HIGH PLACES , not some unseen “BEING” or PERSON. It is the SPIRIT of WICKEDNESS working (IN) Man himself that makes man DEVILS and SATANS, not some elusive “BEING” going around jumping in and out of people as some here assume. IMO
peace and love to you and yours Pierre………………………………………………….gene
To all readers:REv20:1.And I saw an angel come down from heaven,having the key of the bottomless pit and a GREAT CHAIN in his hand.
2. And he laid hold on the dragon,that OLD SERPENT,which is the -DEVIL- and -SATAN-, and BOUND -HIM- a thousand years.
3. And cast -HIM- into the bottomless pit,and shut -HIM- UP,and set a seal upon -HIM-, that -HE- should deceive the nations no more,till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that -HE- shall be loosed a little season.
7. And when the thousand years are expired,SATAN shall be loosed out of -HIS- prison.
10. And the -DEVIL- that deceived them(NOT IN THEM) was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone,where the beast and the false prophet are,and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Do you noticed that The DEVIL, SATAN is a -HE-?
Not just a spirit of evil? or a spirit of evil thinking?
Lucifer was created a mighty cherub,and became a rebeller(satan): lucifer(light bearer).His personal name is GADRE'EL the one that tempted Eve.Satan would love a doctrine teaching that he does not realy exist: We are all satans: I wonder where such a doctrine originates? Have you got an idea?
Dont forget we are living in the last days.wakeup.
Wakeup………..Go to the Start of the Book of Revelations and read where is say ” He “SIGNIFIED” it . That word means (symbolized). the book of revelation is full of symbolic language and is therefore subject to all kinds of speculations of all kinds, Just as the Book of Genesis is also. Many thing in Scripture can not be taken as literal many things are Personified as Wisdom and Love as a she. and even God the FATHER Jesus express in a Proverbial language (factious illustration) he said .That is why we have so many different teachings and distortions of the truth because of all these Personifications , Metaphors, Proverbs, all of these lead to all kind of speculations as witnessed even here. In fact there is so much of this i doubt anyone has all the truth. Paul even suggested he did not also saying “we only see in Part” as if we are looking through an obscured glass.
That also applies to me to So don't think i am trying to put anyone down becasue i am not. We must all grow in grace and Knowledge. Maybe with God help we can work our way through many of the false teachings out their and help edify each other. I am convinced most of these thing we discuss here have nothing to do with our individual salvation, i believe most here has already dealt with that issue of salvation. IMO
peace and love to you and yours Wakeup……………………….gene
GeneB.I agree that the prophesies uses many symbols,specially the book of revelation.
But to say that is not possible to understand is not true;It is written to be understood by the true seekers.
Seek and you will find.As you can see,the book of revelation, the book of revealing the mysteries,not to hide.
The books 7 seals were opened,meaning revealed.
It is now for the true seekers to understand the symbols and meaning.Yes anyone can interpret it as they please,but it will not come to harmony,it always will end up in confusion; then they will have to force in falls doctrines to make it look good;but its not the truth,and it will never work.
The prophecies has a certain lingo that can be understood after a while.
Example: mountains= kingdoms. water= populations. rivers= believes(religions). women= religion. horns= kings(leaders).
heads = kingdoms,empires. the cedars = the high and proud.The prophesies are not there for nothing,dont let anyone tell you it can never be understood.
One question to you from me: who tempted Eve in the garden?
Greetings.
wakeup.
GeneB.
Can I add another question to you?
Who or what is satan in the book of Job?
can you explain?wakeup.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 25 2012,08:37) Saying a Satan “BEING” is the cause of this all is the same as saying that our sins are not our fault, and therefore God is an unjust Judge.
None of us here believe the old “Devil made me do it” ploy, Gene. None of us are trying to pass responsibility of our own sins over to someone else.I'm going to take a back seat now, and watch how your discussion progresses with Wakeup.
May God bless you and yours Gene.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2012,10:24) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 25 2012,08:37) Saying a Satan “BEING” is the cause of this all is the same as saying that our sins are not our fault, and therefore God is an unjust Judge.
None of us here believe the old “Devil made me do it” ploy, Gene. None of us are trying to pass responsibility of our own sins over to someone else.I'm going to take a back seat now, and watch how your discussion progresses with Wakeup.
May God bless you and yours Gene.
Hi mikeB.Satan never cease tempting us in any occasion possible;It is up to us to resist. The stronger we are in Christ,the less he succeeds.
The more knowledge we have, the less he can deceive.
Satan tempted Jesus in the desert,using scriptures,but dont have the knowledge. And Jesus defeated him with his knowledge in scripture.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
I agree with all you just posted…….especially this part: “It is up to us to resist.”
If we don't resist, the guilt of the sin remains on US. We can't say, “Satan made me do it”, as if we have done no wrong ourselves.
This was Gene's point that I was trying to address. Yes Satan tempts constantly. But WE have to resist or else WE are the ones who sin.
Agreed?
Quote (Wakeup @ June 26 2012,11:56) GeneB. Can I add another question to you?
Who or what is satan in the book of Job?
can you explain?wakeup.
WPIn the book of JOB we see Satan negotiate JOB s wealth and heath,but it was not Satan personalty that act to inflict all the misery,but uses the rebels in mankind to to the work,
and this is the way it is today and have always be,except for EVE,it was a snake ,(intermediary)
so it is the rebels against God in the world of men that we fight and their views and philosophies of live that are against God our father and creator,
and yes you are right this is what we have to resist and so need the knowledge of truth that he provided to us so we know how to resist
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 27 2012,11:47) Hi Wakeup, I agree with all you just posted…….especially this part: “It is up to us to resist.”
If we don't resist, the guilt of the sin remains on US. We can't say, “Satan made me do it”, as if we have done no wrong ourselves.
This was Gene's point that I was trying to address. Yes Satan tempts constantly. But WE have to resist or else WE are the ones who sin.
Agreed?
MikeB.It is up to us to resist: is our love for God more than love for ourselfs?
Do we break the law of God to satisfy the flesh?
The desires of the flesh always against the spirit; the flesh says;do it; but the spirit inside says no dont do it.not now.Sometimes the spirit inside us says; I must do this,or do that;but the flesh says ;no not today,maybe tomorrow.
If our love for God is strong;we dont even look at temptations.
wakeup.
To All…………Consider this Satan is like saying the other side of the coin, so to speak in Logic. Some one would say on the one hand it is this or that , then on the OTHER hand is this or that. The term Satan simply comes from a word meaning an ADVERSARY , in Spirit terms it is a ADVERSARIAL (SPIRIT) or intellect giving us another opinion or view. This is (IN) all Men and EVEN GOD uses it Just as he did in JOB'S case and in the Case of Adam and EVE they were using it also , The did not obey God becasue they were look at the other side of their existing situation, Their own minds were causing them to disobey not some other “BEING” of some kind, That aspect of Life would have to be Mastered by man. This SPIRIT lead to the spirit of Disobedience and was working (IN) them, It was part of their own serpented make up. Jesus in the wilderness overcame his own self and brought this Nature in him under control, and became subject to the word of GOD that was His PERSONAL Trial in life. He master himself and became obedient to the (WILL) of GOD. And we musty also overcome it as He did. IMO
peace and love to you all…………………………………………………..gene
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