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Nick….The bible is written to hide the truth from the ignorance of men. I thought you said your believed Jesus, so why don't you believe when he said He spoke in Parables so they could not understand, the things of the Kingdom of God, only those who have God Spirit (intellect) can decipher the truth out of Jesus' and God the fathers words. You say they in Christ day were more intelligent then we are , nothing could be more wrong, even Jesus knew that Knowledge would be greatly increased or don't you believe him as you accuse others of.
They were blind guides of the blind even as it is today as your lack of understanding of what a Spirit (IS) is a Proof of this continued ignorance that was in those of that days also. If you believe in the Lie about Devils and Demon fostered by ALL MODERN Churches , then you are with them and their false teachings. IMO
Nick we are told to come out of HER, that you recieve not of HER Pleagues. the plague is all the Paranoia brought on by believing in Spooks , Ghosts, Demons and Devil “BEINGS”, Going around Jumping in and out of People. No Spirit can come into a Person unless He or She invites them (IN) to them by Sowing to them in there MIND> Even the Spirit of God works the same way , or haven't you read, “the Spirit “earnestly' desires us”. Why becasue we must (INVITE) (IT) IN by asking , seeking , knocking, and what did Jesus say we stand at the door (of our hearts) and Knock and whosoever opens we shall come (IN) and sup with Him and He with Us.
Fact Nos Spirit (intellect) can come into us unless we (INVITE) it (IN) , Therefore says Paul , What soever is of a good report , lovely, kind, etc, “THINK” on these things. Why “THINK” on these thing ? is it not becasue we are letting them into our hearts and Minds, It is all about SPIRITS (INTELLECTS) of all Kinds and Types and we are not victims of any of them it is our choice and desires that let them (IN) to our Minds, rather Good or Evil, Clean or unclean all are invited (IN) by US, And we are Held accountable for what we allow, But thanks be to God the father we can be cleansed from all evil and given a New Spirit (intellect) that avoids the evil. We must all learn to Separated the Clean from the unclean , that was what all the Clean and unclean Food Law was all about it was to teach Israel to make a difference of what the take into there lives. Those laws was for the purpose of a Spiritual or (intellectual) Principle. When a person eats or drinks food he is taking into his or her body that which they take (IN) the same applies with Spiritual (intellectual) Food, it produces the same effect Spiritually (intellectually) as physical Food does Physically. There is not difference taking in good Physical Food will give life to your body , taking in good Spiritual (intellect) will give you Spiritual life also. Both intakes can be a blessing or a cursing depends on what you are taking (IN) to YOU,
So if we Sow to the clean food and the clean Spirit (intellect) of GOD) we will reap Life if we Sow to the unclean LUSTS of the FLESH and unclean Spirits we will reap death of body and Spirit (intellect) also OUR SOUL It all about what we are EATING and DRINKING both Physically and Spiritually the physical food and the (intellects of the mind). IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………………..gene
Hi GB
You say
'They were blind guides of the blind even as it is today as your lack of understanding of what a Spirit (IS) is a Proof of this continued ignorance that was in those of that days also. If you believe in the Lie about Devils and Demon fostered by ALL MODERN Churches , then you are with them and their false teachings.”You boast of your understandings while making the teachings of Jesus mere myths.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 23 2012,08:20) the TRUE GOD KNOWS there and NO other GOD except HIM that truly exists, Him ALONE according to His WORDS Which in have quoted for you.
Jeremiah 46:25
The LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: “I am about to bring punishment on Amon god of Thebes, on Pharaoh, on Egypt and her gods and her kings, and on those who rely on Pharaoh.Who are these that Jehovah calls “gods”, Gene? It seems to me that if “Pharaoh” is real, and the “kings” of Egypt are real, and “Egypt” itself is real, and “those who rely on Pharaoh” are real, then so are the ones Jehovah called the “gods” of Egypt.
And you didn't answer my question before:
Gene, Jehovah is the God OF gods. Who are these gods that Jehovah is the God OF?Mike…………As i said they are “FALSE” GODS that do not exists and never did except in the Minds of those Pagans and they served those FALSE GOD . I have quoted to you where GOD himself said he looked for another besides Him and he found NONE> When are you going to start to Believe what God the Almighty Creator Said? Why not try to make what you read conform to what He said Clearly and then you would understand that those were false Gods of the Pagans that they “thought” existed, but in fact did not exist at all. Just in the minds of those Pagan who carved out images to them but no one has ever seen them Move or do anything what so ever. Those ignorant Pagan assumed they were their Gods which time and time again proved to be false Gods. It amazes me you do not know that. Do i have to quote the tons of Scriptures that prove it to you?
Mike there is NO GOD except ONE and that is all there ever was and ever will be, Just as Jesus Said, for thou art the “ONLY” true GOD If you are not going to believe what God himself said then believe what Jesus said, did you notice the words “ONLY” and “TRUE” , only means no one else, and true means all the other so-called Gods are FALSE> Surely you understand that right?
peace and love to you and yours………………………………………………………gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2012,07:56) Hi GB
You say
'They were blind guides of the blind even as it is today as your lack of understanding of what a Spirit (IS) is a Proof of this continued ignorance that was in those of that days also. If you believe in the Lie about Devils and Demon fostered by ALL MODERN Churches , then you are with them and their false teachings.”You boast of your understandings while making the teachings of Jesus mere myths.
Nick………..quite the opposite , it is you who does not understand what your Master is saying, and what does what James have to say have to do with this any way?peace and love to you and yours brother…………………………gene
Nick………No Jesus was speaking to people who mingled pagan reasonings of false Gods like Beelzebub the Dung God, and others into there mindsets who you believe is Satan and devils all the time failing to see the word (IF) when Jesus was questioning their ignorant reasonings. They were blind guides Nick and were in a ditch as you are on this subject brother. You need to question your understanding on this subject . As far as the Christadelphians go, if they believe what i have said then good for them at least they know that. An let no blame Jesus for the Pharisees Myths they held.
peace and love to you and yours Nick……………………………………………………..gene
Nike ………it would be better if you would show us why you believe what you are saying instead of desperately trying to belittle me and others brother , Gives us the reason you believe what you believe and don't say because Jesus said it all the while not taking into consideration who he was talking to and the subject matter he was dealing with.
Nick… the subtle “NATURE” is Not a Person or BEING, it is what is (IN) person and Beings all of Us and when (IT) goes against God we Must Master IT. Our war is internal not external the demons and Satans in this world are people in this world. Not some elusive pagan devil God Creature going around jumping in and out of People and taking control of them without there permission, NO the Evil in this world is EVIL SPIRIT (INTELLECTS) driving the MINDS of those who exercised by (IT) Just as the Good Spirit in also in the Mind of those who have It and drives their (INTELLECTS) and thoughts of their Mind.
Come out of “MYSTERY RELIGION” Nick and think with a SOUND MIND of the SPIRIT of GOD that you have recieved from GOD the Father, do not be brought into MYTH RELIGIONS of Confusions. No Spirit of any Kind can come into you unless you invite it (IN) by sowing to it and then it will begin to influence you life according to what (IT) is. We need to ASK GOD for Spirit of His to guide us because it says “the Spirit EARNESTLY DESIRES US”. So let this “MIND” be in us that was also in Jesus Christ our LORD.
peace and love to you and yours……………………………………….gene
Hi GB,
Jesus was not a blind guide in the same ditch.
You have the blindness on this matter.I am not sure if they JUMP in and out or not but Jesus and the brothers cast them out and Jesus taught that they can re enter-but you disagree anyway
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 24 2012,01:53) Mike…………As i said they are “FALSE” GODS that do not exists and never did except in the Minds of those Pagans………
So Jehovah is the God of false gods that don't even exist? It was no pagan who called Jehovah the God of gods, Gene. It was Moses, Daniel, and the psalmist who wrote Ps 136 – all of them Hebrews, and all of them servants of Jehovah.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 24 2012,01:53) I have quoted to you where GOD himself said he looked for another besides Him and he found NONE> When are you going to start to Believe what God the Almighty Creator Said?
And in my last post, I quoted you direct words from Jehovah where He talked about the god Amon and the other gods of Egypt. I can show you were He speaks about many other gods, like Satan, the god of Ekron, too. And never once does He call any of them “false gods” or “so-called gods”.Here Gene, try this one on for size:
2 Kings 3
18 This is an easy thing in the eyes of the LORD; he will also hand Moab over to you.19 You will overthrow every fortified city and every major town.
24 But when the Moabites came to the camp of Israel, the Israelites rose up and fought them until they fled. And the Israelites invaded the land and slaughtered the Moabites.
26 When the king of Moab saw that the battle had gone against him, he took with him seven hundred swordsmen to break through to the king of Edom, but they failed.
27 Then he took his firstborn son, who was to succeed him as king, and offered him as a sacrifice on the city wall. And there came great wrath against Israel, and they departed from him and returned to their own land.
Gene, when the King of Moab sacrificed his son to his god, Chemosh, who brought wrath upon Israel?
I agree that Satan is their leader, and any acts they perform can only be performed if allowed by God.
I believe God purposely allowed the gods of Egypt to match many of His signs and wonders just to show Egypt which God was the “Boss”.
The Egyptians, who must have been taking great pride in their gods during the first few signs, had another thing coming when the God of the Israelites blew their gods away with His mighty power and struck down all of the Egyptians' firstborn.
Mike………..The Gods of the Egyptians were figments of the imaginations of their minds crated by human imaginations. Where do it say the Egyptian GODS did anything. That is your ASSUMPTION, it say the Priest of those false Gods Performed acts. It does not say those false GOD are REAL GODS performed anything. They were stone Idols and creation of the Mind by Pagan thought , Just as you and Nick also do. Neither of you can produce ONE truth of any of them existing then or now as real Gods or devils or Satans.
If you can produce your proof , where are your false Gods Now at. Show us these demonic Beings going around jumping in and out of people and talking them over at will, why has none of this been conformed yet , Only Mystery Religious People like you and Nick and other indoctrinated religious people buy into these false teaching and superstitions much like the Gnostic's believed in.
Every man and women will give and account for their OWN DEEDS “THEY” HAVE DONE Not some Spook jumping in and out of them. No coup out WE are Held accountable for OUR OWN ACTIONS, not he action of a so-called Satan “BEING” or devil or demon. Blaming what you are doing on another “BEING” is a false teaching, we can all be influenced by other Being by the types of Spirit (intellect) working (IN) them and in US , but those Spirit are NOT “BEINGS” of other so-called GODS of any kind. Because there is ONLY ONE GOD that Cane Change out Thought and Hearts who can remove EVIL SPIRIT and Replace (IT) with GOOD and CLEAN SPIRIT (Intellect) and that is YAHWEH as Jesus said “the “ONLY TRUE GOD” < IMO
Most all “RELIGIOUS” People are “SUPERSTITIOUS” in NATURE unfortunately, and suffer the Pleagues that brings on them. We are told to come out of Her ” this MYSTERY RELIGION” that we recieve not of Her Pleagues, and the Plagues of Mystery Religion is, Paranoia of spooks and goblins and ghosts that run in peoples minds causing all kinds of mental illnesses and unsound thinking.
You have not recieved the Spiirt of Fear, but of Love and Power and of a “SOUND MIND”. we are told in Titus. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 26 2012,09:17) Where do it say the Egyptian GODS did anything. That is your ASSUMPTION, it say the Priest of those false Gods Performed acts. It does not say those false GOD are REAL GODS performed anything. They were stone Idols and creation of the Mind by Pagan thought…………
And by what power did human priests turn staffs into snakes and water into blood, Gene? Do humans have these abilities?Exodus 12:12
“On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn—both men and animals—and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD.Jeremiah 46:25
The LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, says, “Behold, I am going to punish…………..Egypt along with her gods and her kings……..In what way does Jehovah “bring judgement on” and “punish” stone idols, Gene? How does one “PUNISH” a piece of stone?
Hi GB,
Who suggested that accountability did not fall on men for their actions?
Influences on men do not change responsibilities
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