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NicK………..Jesus was speaking the truth , but you are failing to read it clearly or you could easily see He was using “THEIR” sayings to get a point across about them thinking he was using some false Chaldean Dun God called Beelzebub to cast out unclean evil spirits out of people which they believed were devils and demons followers of “THEIR” Dun God Beelzebub.
Because Jesus dealt with “THEIR FALSE LOGIC” does not mean he accepted that Logic they used at all. It is you and Mike who accept their false teachings as real, not God the Father , Jesus or I for that matter. IMO
peace and love to you and yours Nick…………………………………………………………..gene
Nick……….Please answer the question , what does this mean to you, and God gives “IT” a Body of “IT'S” OWN, just as He pleases. Still waiting for your response or Mikes . Who is the “IT'S” mentioned their Nick and Mike?
peace and love to you both…………………………………………………………….gene
Hi GB,
SoJesus was only relating things according to the mindset of the day
but we are superior in understanding and he now would agree with you??
Either that or you put yourself at a higher intellectual level than the Teacher?Hi GB,
1 cor 15
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
So man is a living soul in a body
and the BODY that is of earth must die or be changed as it cannot inherit the kingdom.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 21 2012,14:46) Mike……….interesting thing about “YOUR” Beelzebub “GOD” you believe in as Satan, but “Strong Concordance” say it was a DUNG GOD of the Chadians and even all you expounding of this GOD of Yours shows it does not (IN FACT) “REALLY” Exist and did not ever “EXIST” at the time of the Pagans, nor in Jesus time, nor in our time.
Trying to say a False God of the pagan is a “REAL SATAN” Being only proves Satan does not exist, just as the Dung God Beelzebub the false god of the Chaldean's and the Jews of the time of Christ did not exist either.
Gene,Read and learn:
Barnes' Notes on the Bible
Baal-zebub – literally, “Lord (i. e., averter) of flies.” Flies in the East constitute one of the most terrible of plages Psalm 105:31; Exodus 8:24; and Orientals would be as likely to have a “god of flies” as a god of storm fand thunder.Clarke's Commentary on the Bible
Go, inquire of Baal-zebub – Literally, the fly-god, or master of flies. He was the tutelary god of Ekron, and probably was used at first as a kind of talisman, to drive away flies. He became afterwards a very respectable devil, and was supposed to have great power and influence. In the New Testament Beelzebub is a common name for Satan himself, or the prince of devils.Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
Baalzebub, the god of Ekron……….
Ekron was one of the principalities of the Philistines, and this idol was the god they worshipped, which signifies a master fly: which some think was a large metallic fly; made under a planet that rules over flies; and the Heathens had deities they called Myiodes, Myagros, and which signifies a driver away of flies; as Jupiter and Hercules were called by the Eleans and Romans.Within the haven of Ptolemais, or Acco, was formerly a temple of Baalzebub, called in later times “the tower of flies”, and used as a Pharus ©.
Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament
On account of this misfortune, Ahaziah resorted to the Ekronitish Baalzebub to obtain an oracle concerning the result of his illness. בּעל־זבוּב, i.e., Fly-Baal, was not merely the “averter of swarms of insects,”……….. but God represented as a fly, as a fly-idol. The latter observes that “these (the flies), which are governed in their coming and going by all the conditions of the weather, are apparently endowed with prophetic power themselves.” This explains the fact that a special power of prophecy was attributed to this god.(Note: The later Jews altered the name Beelzebub into Βεελζεβούλ, i.e., probably lord of the (heavenly) dwelling; and the later Rabbins finally, by changing זבוּל בּעל into זבל בּעל, made a fly-god into a dung-god, to express in the most intense form their abomination of idolatry
Geneva Study Bible
(b) The Philistines who lived at Ekron worshipped this idol, the god of flies, thinking that he could preserve them from the biting of flies………….Wesley's Notes
Baal – zebub – Properly, the god of flies; an idol so called, because it was supposed to deliver those people from flies; Jupiter and Hercules were called by a like name among the Grecians. And it is evident, both from sacred and prophane histories, That the idol – gods, did sometimes through God's permission, give the answers; though they were generally observed, even by the Heathens themselves, to be dark and doubtful.Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
Baalzebub, that is, the god of flies, who was considered the patron deity of medicine. A temple to that idol was erected at Ekron, which was resorted to far and wide, though it afterwards led to the destruction of the place (Zec 9:5; Am 1:8; Zep 2:4).Gene, did you notice the big words, which tell how Rabbi's later changed the name to mean “God of Dung” as a sign of the abomination he was?
Did you and Nick both notice the even bigger words, that tell how the idol-gods did, with God's permission, give answers? They also performed signs and wonders before Moses and Pharaoh, and brought down wrath upon the Israelites after the Moabite king sacrificed his son to them. (We don't need to veer from the current discussion about Satan and demons, but I thought I'd mention that other people out there believe the Bible and its teachings on various other gods. It's not just me.)
Yes Nick. And these demons and their leader Satan are some of those who were worshipped as gods in the OT. (Think: Prince of Persia who withheld Gabriel until Michael came to help.)
Once again, from Webster's:
god:
any of various beings conceived of as supernatural, immortal, and having special powers over the lives and affairs of people and the course of natureDo these demons fit this definition?
Yes Nick,
That passage tells of how demons are sacrificed to as gods. Fits right in with what I just told you, right?
Hi MB,
No doubt Satan uses every ruse he can to deceive, confuse, divert and lead men away from truth and into sin.The truth is that Satan and the demons – as well as God's faithful angels – are the gods who Jehovah is the God of.
But when scripture calls Jehovah “the God of gods”, who do YOU think the other gods are, Nick?
Mike……….Dung God or Fly God doesn't matter, there simply is NO God of Flies or Dung, No Matter what those Pagans or you believe.
Here is the word of God …………> is there another GOD besides Me , I know “NONE”. but you seen to know other Gods. Now who are we to believe Your words or GOD'S words?
peace and love to you and yours……………………………………gene
Nick……….and God give (IT) a “BODY”. now again be specific, what is the (IT) he give a BODY TOO> It is not the same Body because it died and decomposed and returned to dirt, So the (IT) is the SPIRIT that was removed and returned to Him who gave it (i.e the Spirit was given by God in the first place)>The (IT) is the SPIRIT and (IT) is GIVEN another BODY at the resurrection.
You also are in error over what a SOUL is also. a Soul is a BODY with SPIRIT (IN) IT. Genesis tell us the truth, God made a Body from the earth and added the breathe or life (SPIRIT) into it and the man, “then” became a “LIVING SOUL”. Nothing more is said and nothing Less. Every thing else has been added by false assumptions. A man is not a Soul + Spirit + a Body as you falsely assume. a Living Soul = a Body+ Spirit and if either are separated the “LIVING SOUL” No Longer exists.
God can destory us by simply separating those two things and leaving us that way , hence Jesus said God could destory both IN the GRAVE. The BOTH there mean TWO things a BODY and a SPIRIT how?, by separating them forever. As long as a person is in the grave he or she in a perished state without any life of his or her own whatsoever.
Therefore God must take “IT” the Spirit and “Give “IT” a body of “IT'S” Own”, again for us to continue to Live or there would be no need for any resurrection from the grave if that were not true , Jesus would not have had to be raised with a “BODY”, or anyone else for that matter if a “BODY” was not necessary to continue to Live.
You have bought into Pagan and Greek false teachings and you assume they are of Jesus when in fact they are not His teachings at all, and NO i am not above My Master, i just Know what he is saying and understand him.
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………………….gene
Hi GB,
You tell us he was speaking according to the myths of the day and you are more modern and more accurate than him?
Man is a LIVING[spirit] SOUL[soul]Your traditions arrogantly oppose the master.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 22 2012,08:00) Here is the word of God …………> is there another GOD besides Me , I know “NONE”. but you seen to know other Gods. Now who are we to believe Your words or GOD'S words?
Gene,Jehovah is the God of gods. Who are these other gods that Jehovah is the God of?
Jehovah is the Most High God. Who are these other gods that are not as high as Jehovah?
Nick chose not to answer…………….how about you?
Mike……….God is the ONLY God of Everything including all your FALSE SO-Called GODS which man attributes as GODS but the TRUE GOD KNOWS there and NO other GOD except HIM that truly exists, Him ALONE according to His WORDS Which in have quoted for you. So bottom line is believe GOD himself and what he said or NOT. If you had come from GOD perspective about other Gods you would understood God was relating to what “THEY” thought were Gods, not what HE KNEW for a fact were FALSE GODS. Mike no matter what you say God tells us “he looked for other Gods and Found NONE”> So deal with you false understanding of this Fact>
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………………………..gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 23 2012,06:11) Hi GB,
You tell us he was speaking according to the myths of the day and you are more modern and more accurate than him?
Man is a LIVING[spirit] SOUL[soul]Your traditions arrogantly oppose the master.
Nike…………No i am not more “Modern” then Jesus , Jesus was dealing with them on there level of ignorance.MY TRADITIONS?
It is not my fault you misunderstand what Jesus was saying and trying to get across to those ignorant Pharisees who believed in all kinds of Pagan practices and ideologies of demons and devils. The same as you seem to believe in also. It is the “TRADITIONS” of the Pharisees you are trusting in and falsely accuse me of trusting ion my traditions, now that is interesting.
A Living SOUL = A BODY + SPIRIT in it , nothing more and nothing less. You teaching of a Person being a SPIRIT a SOUL, a BODY is a false teaching. According to the word of God in Genesis a man is simply a Body with Spirit (IN) it. The separation of those two things will destory the Person for ever unless God put them back together again. Which happen at the resurrection of our BODIES and Spirit added back into it as Happened to Jesus.
Peace and love to you and yours………………………………gene
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