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To All………The only satans are human being with a evil Spirit (intellect) working (IN) them this is something all humans have (IN) them it is Spirit of a adversary to God a self serving intellect that works within us all an we must “Master” it, As Jesus did His Demon (adversarial Spirit) in the wilderness, and Peter had to also in time overcome His evil spirit working in him. If you being Evil (existing in an evil state) know how to give good gifts, how much more will not your Father in heaven given them of His spirit that ask. .
I tell you all, there is so much confusion and Mysterious teaching about a very simple thing, that should be obvious by all the different angles used here to describe a simple thing . There is NO SATAN “BEING” There is only an evil adversarial SPIRIT (intellect) working in the Childern of disobedience. We must with GOD Spirit Master our OWN DEMONS or SATAN. No mysterious Spooks going around Jumping in and out of who ever he desires and taking them over, there is Just evil Spirits (intellects) of SELF working in the ungodly. whosoever shall save his life will loose it and whoever loses his life for the kingdom of God s sake shall save it. We must let go of our own WILLS and Seek the WILL of GOD.
peace and love to you all …………………………………….Gene
Hi GB,
INTELLECT?
Is it in the bible or just a dictionary?
You have despised the teachings of the Lord in Lk 11Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 09 2012,21:01) Hi MB,
Was Jesus addressing a demon of the ruler of the demons when he spoke to Peter?
It seems to me that demons are mentioned many times in the NT, and each time that it is a demon, and not Satan himself, they are called “evil spirits”, “unclean spirits”, or in one case, “Legion”.If Jesus and/or his disciples were in the habit of calling demons who were not Satan himself “Satan”, then why aren't all – or at least most – of the unclean spirits mentioned in the NT called “Satan”?
I don't think Peter ever had a demon inside of him at all. Nor do I think Jesus called Satan's demons “Satan”. I believe that when the name “Satan” is mentioned, it refers to Satan himself. And I've just looked at all the Greek scriptures that have the word “satanas” in them, and they all refer to the one being, “Satan”.
I have concluded that if Jesus was speaking to a demon inside of Peter when he said the words we are discussing, then that demon was Satan himself – for Jesus called him “Satan”.
And since none of us think Satan himself was inside of Peter, I think it's time you guys reconsider your understanding of Jesus' words. It seems most likely that Jesus was calling Peter “Satan” to make a point that Peter's will was going against God's will at that time.
The same way someone could tell another, “Shut up Hitler!”, if that other was acting like a dictator.
This is my understanding. It's quite okay with me if you guys continue to think that Jesus' right hand man on earth was infested with a demon. But if I were you, I would want at least one other scriptural witness where a demon OF Satan was called “Satan”.
Hi MB,
Thanks for your opinion.
But opinions do not increase knowledge of truth.
Demons are also called evil spirits, unclean spirits and sin alive in us in Rom7.Satan was among the sons of God and it is unlikely such beings enter men.Jb1-2
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 10 2012,18:17) Satan was among the sons of God and it is unlikely such beings enter men.Jb1-2
I'm not sure who you think the demons who DO enter men are, but I think it is clear that they are also spirit sons of God who have fallen away from God's will to follow their leader, Satan.But anyway, if you don't think it's likely that Satan himself entered Peter (or any man), why do you think Jesus called Peter “Satan”? Do you have scriptural support that demon servants OF Satan were ever called by his name?
Hi MB,
Really.
Sons that have fallen away enter men??It is not surprising since you do not know the Holy Spirit in men speaks and works through them that you have little understanding of how demonic spirits work too.
Hi MB,
In the same way as Jesus addressed the tempter, the devil who came to him in Mt 4“Begone Satan..”
It does not matter if it was Satan himself or not-all the names apply.
Nick,
Who exactly are these “demons”, of whom Satan is the leader?
Also, if you cannot show a witness that a demon was called by the name “Satan”, then isn't it just your opinion that demons were called by Satan's name?
Hi MB,
If you read lk 11 you may gain an understanding of how the dominion of the prince of this world is organised.Mike;
Matthew 12
King James Version (KJV)24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
Hi MB,
Jesus also gave instructions on how to dismantle this kingdom
“.Matthew 12:29
Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house..Mark 3:27
No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.Hi MB,
Jesus has done the hard work.
“Luke 11:22
But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.”Quote (kerwin @ May 10 2012,20:19) 26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself;
Point taken, Kerwin. Good use of scripture.
Yes KW,
Divided against himself can only be read if you speak of his kingdom.
Could HE cast himself out?Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 11 2012,08:37) Yes KW,
Divided against himself can only be read if you speak of his kingdom.
Could HE cast himself out?
Nick;Jesus is speaking of the King Satan casting out his citizen Satans. The context reveals that.
Nick…….Go look up the word Beelzebub and you will find it is a word for the Chaldean Bung God called “SATAN” , that same mentality exists today as seen by you and others here.
As far as the word devil or demons go those word are just Greek renditions of Mystery religions which many as you do today still believe in. What we call today as mental illnesses they in the time of Christ believed as you do that it was demons causing it. The whole concept of a Satan “BEING” was developed by pagan religion of the Chaldean and passed on to this very day.
Nick you need to read Matt 12 again especially 34-37 and you will find it is by our own words we are condemned or Justified not some Spook or devil (BEING) of the Chadians jumping in and our of people,as you assume it. Jesus spoke to then according to what they understood if you noticed Jesus said (IF) several times. WHY? becasue of their and your false understandings about DEVILS and DEMONS and SATANS . IMO
peace and love…………………………gene
Gene;
Quote As far as the word devil or demons go those word are just Greek renditions of Mystery religions which many as you do today still believe in. There are both demons and daemons mentioned in Scripture; no mystery religion there; unless you find the Bible a mystery.
Hi GB,
Jesus spoke often of demons and dealt with them.
Are you suggesting he was wrong and influenced by pagan religion?Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2012,06:31) Hi GB,
Jesus spoke often of demons and dealt with them.
Are you suggesting he was wrong and influenced by pagan religion?
Nick……….No i am not saying Jesus was wrong , what i am saying is that he dealt with them according to their understandings, The Jews of his day had accepted many many Pagan influenced thoughts just as many today have, So Jesus dealt with them on their level of understanding , a good help for you and others would be to look up the word Beelzebub for starters.Because of the lack of understanding of what SPIRITS Really are is the source of much confusion even now. To give an example of what i mean, Please tell us your understand of what a Spirit (IS). What does the word SPIRIT MEAN to you Nick. Please Share it with us. What is a unclean Spirit to you is (IT) a Person of a “type” or “kind” of intellect that can invade our thinking?
peace and love to you and yours………………………………..gene
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