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Mike;
Are you seriously claiming that the command to resist the devil whenever tempted by evil does not infer there is a devil tempting you every time?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 06 2012,18:36) Hi MB,
God holds all men responsible for their actions.
So then we CAN'T use the excuse, “The Devil made me do it”?Good. Then you agree with me that Satan and his demons don't cause mankind to sin, although they TEMPT mankind to sin.
Quote (kerwin @ May 06 2012,18:58) Mike; Are you seriously claiming that the command to resist the devil whenever tempted by evil does not infer there is a devil tempting you every time?
That's right, Kerwin. But I already expected you to be on the “The Devil made me do it” bandwagon, because you like to understand scriptures in a way that makes things easier on yourself. For example, you want a Jesus who was exactly like you because you think that makes things easier on YOU. And you want to blame spirit beings for YOUR OWN sins because that's easier on YOU than admitting that you sinned of your own accord.Now don't get me wrong here – I know that Satan and his demons will TEMPT us to sin many times. But WE ALONE decide whether or not to give in to that temptation each time.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2012,07:05) Quote (kerwin @ May 06 2012,18:58) Mike; Are you seriously claiming that the command to resist the devil whenever tempted by evil does not infer there is a devil tempting you every time?
That's right, Kerwin. But I already expected you to be on the “The Devil made me do it” bandwagon, because you like to understand scriptures in a way that makes things easier on yourself. For example, you want a Jesus who was exactly like you because you think that makes things easier on YOU. And you want to blame spirit beings for YOUR OWN sins because that's easier on YOU than admitting that you sinned of your own accord.Now don't get me wrong here – I know that Satan and his demons will TEMPT us to sin many times. But WE ALONE decide whether or not to give in to that temptation each time.
Mike,A devil cannot enter a person unless invited in; Peter and Judas chose to let Satan control their actions be giving into his commands; which is temptation.
Demon possession is just a more severe case where God has handed a person over to the “God” they have chosen.
Romans 1
New King James Version (NKJV)18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.Hi KW,
Certainly a satanic demon entered Judas as it is written.
But Peter probably had always had it.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 07 2012,15:55) Hi KW,
Certainly a satanic demon entered Judas as it is written.
But Peter probably had always had it.
Nick;Peter was cleaned and only required rebuking, teaching, training and correcting to drive the spirits that temporary took up residence. They were unable to make him a servant of hell with Jesus around; They had Judas in control already as he was an embezzler.
Peter had to be tricked due to his lack of knowledge while Judas welcomed them in as his God was Money.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 07 2012,10:57) It seems to me that Kerwin and Nick are believers in the old excuse, “The Devil made me do it!”. Many people like this mentality because then they aren't really responsible for their own decisions and actions. They use the devil as a scapegoat for when THEY THEMSELVES make a bad choice. I am not of this mentality. Every angel AND human being God creates has to choose every day whether to sin against God or not to.
There is no scripture that even implies that EACH sin a man commits is the result of Satan or his demons working in him. Nor is there any indication that Satan actually entered Adam or Eve to cause them to sin. They sinned of their own choice, and Satan was merely the “persuader”, although he often gets credit for “making” them sin. But sin entered the world through one MAN – not through one SPIRIT BEING.
Mike………..You have that right. It was Man who Sinned not a so called Satan being. There is no SATAN “BEING” there is the SPIRIT of a SATAN or ADVERSARY working (IN) the Heart of ALL Men. That Spirit (intellect) is what causes men and women to sin. John put it this way, “ALL” that is in the world, the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life (ARE FROM THE WORLD).We are all born with that propensity (IN) us all , and we must master it, as GOD told Cain. Jesus Mastered his own demon within himself and we must also with GOD'S Help. Blaming our sin on an unseen Satan “BEING” is a cop-out. It applies our own sins to another and makes us innocent of them.
Jesus was not talking to a Satan being when he spoke to PETER he was talking about PETER himself . The context of what was said completely show that it was Peter himself who was at that time a SATAN> (an adversary of God).
peace and love to you and yours…………………………….gene
Hi GB,
Yes the lusts are spoken of in Jas 1, and when they conceive they become sin alive in us.
We must become overcomers of sin as Jesus overcame[rev3].
Drive the living sin from the temple.Peter was helped by Jesus
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 08 2012,05:53) Hi GB,
Yes the lusts are spoken of in Jas 1, and when they conceive they become sin alive in us.
We must become overcomers of sin as Jesus overcame[rev3].
Drive the living sin from the temple.Peter was helped by Jesus
Nick we are in agreement on this brother.peace and love to you and yours………………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 09 2012,19:49) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 08 2012,05:53) Hi GB,
Yes the lusts are spoken of in Jas 1, and when they conceive they become sin alive in us.
We must become overcomers of sin as Jesus overcame[rev3].
Drive the living sin from the temple.Peter was helped by Jesus
Nick we are in agreement on this brother.peace and love to you and yours………………………………….gene
Gene;A demon makes an offer and we choose to accept that offer because of our own our desires thus giving birth to sin. In this was we obey the commands(offers) of a demon and welcome him in.
I we instead reject the demon's offer he will run away.
Nick and Kerwin,
You two seem to think Peter was literally possessed by a demon because Jesus said, “Get behind me, Satan”, right?
If you are going to take this literally, then shouldn't you both be claiming that SATAN himself was dwelling in Peter during Jesus' ministry on earth?
Is that what you believe?
So you believe that Jesus was tempted in the wilderness by one of Satan's minions – and not by Satan himself?
Also, why then did Jesus call the demon within Peter “Satan”, if it was not in fact Satan?
It says “SATAN” tempted him, Nick. And because it says that, I believe that SATAN tempted him. Do you believe otherwise?
Also, answer the second part of my last post, please.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 10 2012,07:32) Nick and Kerwin, You two seem to think Peter was literally possessed by a demon because Jesus said, “Get behind me, Satan”, right?
If you are going to take this literally, then shouldn't you both be claiming that SATAN himself was dwelling in Peter during Jesus' ministry on earth?
Is that what you believe?
Mike;You are owned by the one you serve.
Hi,
I am not sure whether scripture can always discriminate between Satan himself and A Satan.
Who can help?
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