Beelzebub and demons

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  • #296482
    NickHassan
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    Hi GB,
    With two exceptions Jesus dealt to demons when he was WITH the vessel that contained the demon. [not in mt 15.21-28, lk 7.2-10]
    He was not tell Peter to get behind him but telling Satan not to obstruct God's purposes.

    #296544
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 04 2012,08:39)
    Nick……….the person PETER had the DEMON……………….


    What scripture speaks of a demon possessing Peter? When was the demon removed from him, if ever?

    You guys seem to be letting your imaginations run wild here.

    #296545
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    Possession?
    All men have to become overcomers just as Jesus did.

    #296549
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Can you answer the questions, Nick?

    #296552
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    The demon was probably a religious one leading him to want to build tabernacles on the mountain.
    Perhaps a humanistic one wanting to frustrate the plan of God?[mt 16.25]

    Does scripture say when he was set free?

    Our job to tidy and clean our temples

    #296582
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,
    When Jesus met the demoniac in the cemetary
    who conversed with Jesus?

    #296583
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    Jesus demonstrated what we should do with our temples by upturning the tables and tossing out the intruders in the Jerusalem temple

    #296614
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    While it is clear from MANY scriptures that Satan and his demons are spirit beings, with personalities, wills, and desires of their own, I don't believe Peter had a demon.

    If Peter was arguing against the resurrection, and Jesus said, “Get behind me, SADDUCEE!”, would it mean that Peter was literally a Sadducee? Or would it be a figure of speech?

    What Nick suggests is that Jesus worked hand in hand, and lived side by side with one of Satan's demons for years. It means that Jesus told one of Satan's demons to “feed my flock” after he was raised.

    To me, this is beyond nonsensical.

    #296616
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 05 2012,15:44)
    Hi GB,
    When Jesus met the demoniac in the cemetary
    who conversed with Jesus?


    Nick……Spirit (ARE) What LIFE (IS) and those demonic Spirits “ARE” LIFE they give their (COGNATE) influences of their (TYPE) and KIND to ALL who have them Just as any SPIRIT does, of GOD, GOOD, EVIL, CLEAN, UNCLEAN they are (ALL) SPIRITS which Cause COGNATE (thoughts) or INTELLECTS (IN) a PERSON they cause him or her to be animated to do what their influencing powers reflect. Nick it is Just that simple, think about it Brother. No MYSTERY Religion need . IMO

    peace and love to you and yours………………………………..gene

    #296629
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,
    We have heard this unscriptural babble many times.
    Why are you so keen to put your teachings above those of Jesus?

    Are you greater than him?

    #296647
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    Lk 8.26 Then they sailed to the country of the Gerasenes, which is opposite Galilee. 27 And when He came out onto the land, He was met by a man from the city who was possessed with demons; and who had not put on any clothing for a long time, and was not living in a house, but in the tombs. 28 Seeing Jesus, he [WHO DID??]cried out and fell before Him[WHO DID??], and said in a loud voice,

    “ What business do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You, do not torment me.” 29 For He had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For it had seized him many times; and he was bound with chains and shackles and kept under guard, and yet he would break his bonds and be driven by the demon into the desert. 30 And Jesus asked him, “What is your[WHOSE??] name?” And he [WHO SAID??] said, “ Legion”; for many demons had entered him. 31 They [WHO ARE THEY??] were imploring Him not to command them [WHO??]to go away into the abyss.

    32 Now there was a herd of many swine feeding there on the mountain; and the demons [DID THE MAN SPEAK THESE WORDS??]implored Him to permit them to enter [h]the swine. And He gave them permission. 33 And the demons came out of the man and entered the swine; and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and was drowned.

    Demons use their vessels.

    The Spirit of God also uses cleansed vessels.

    Jesus Christ was used by God to speak His Words.

    YET CARNAL MEN STILL SOMEHOW ONLY HEAR THE VESSEL SPEAKING

    #296668
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 05 2012,20:48)
    While it is clear from MANY scriptures that Satan and his demons are spirit beings, with personalities, wills, and desires of their own, I don't believe Peter had a demon.

    If Peter was arguing against the resurrection, and Jesus said, “Get behind me, SADDUCEE!”, would it mean that Peter was literally a Sadducee?  Or would it be a figure of speech?

    What Nick suggests is that Jesus worked hand in hand, and lived side by side with one of Satan's demons for years.  It means that Jesus told one of Satan's demons to “feed my flock” after he was raised.

    To me, this is beyond nonsensical.


    Mike,

    Do you believe that all temptation comes through demons?

    Do you believe Satan is the King of demons?

    #296675
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    Paul battled sin alive in the flesh[rom7]
    Jesus himself was an overcomer.[rev3]

    It is your idea about mankind that is wrong.

    #296696
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    The society Jesus lived in was much more familiar with beelzebub and demons.
    They accused Jesus Christ of having a demon but he denied it.
    The ruler of this world had nothing in him.[jn14]

    He said his brothers had been made clean by the word spoken to them.Jn15

    #296717
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (kerwin @ May 05 2012,18:03)
    Mike,

    Do you believe that all temptation comes through demons?

    Do you believe Satan is the King of demons?


    NO to the first question, YES to the second.

    #296732
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    So what are the LUSTS James speaks of?

    #296735
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Nick,

    First please list the scripture you reference, and secondly, how my answer to that question would have anything at all to do with the answers I just gave to Kerwin.

    You do those two things, and I will respond.

    #296738
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi mb,
    jas 1. 13-16

    #296740
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Please explain to me why my answer to your question has anything to do with my answers to Kerwin's questions.

    Either make a point or shhhhhh……………

    #296742
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    Was Adam given LUSTS or are they of the ruler of this world?

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