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Hi Gene,
YOU: Carmel……put this together if you can, Paul said…. 1 Cor 3:16……know you not that you “are” the Temple of God , and that the Spirit “OF” GOD dwells “IN” you? The same thing applied to Jesus , or Don’t you believe him when he said we can do Greater works then “He” did, John 14:12….Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believe this on me , the works that I do shall he do also; and “GREATER” works then these shall “HE” do; because I go unto my Father. Now tell us Carmel, if Jesus said he was going to the Father, how does that fit with him being the Father as you believe, and teach him as being.? What I see there is Jesus telling us, we can do “exactly” what he did and even greater works then he did. Do you see it or is there a different understanding of those words then what is written.
Gene, ARE YOU PREOCCUPIED TO ANSWER ANY OF MY QUESTIONS FROM MY POST?
HERE ARE MY QUESTIONS AGAIN FOR YOU TO ANSWER :
ANSWER GENE?
IS GOD THE FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN
THE FATHER OF THE FLESH AND MORTALS OF EARTH?
GOD THE FATHER ACCORDING TO JESUS IS OF HEAVEN, SPIRIT! ISN’T HE?
HE IS NEITHER OF EARTH, NOR OF FLESH, AND ALSO
NOT MORTAL.
HOW ON EARTH ARE YOU ATTRIBUTING JESUS’ STATEMENT TO
US,
AS HUMANS OF EARTH, OF FLESH AND MORTALS,
IN RELATION TO GOD THE FATHER WHO IS
SPIRIT, OF HEAVEN, AND NOT MORTAL?
HERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE ABOVE Gene, FOR YOU TO BE PREOCCUPIED WITH:
HOW ON EARTH GOD THE FATHER WHO IS
A SPIRIT, OF HEAVEN, AND NOT MORTAL, BE A FATHER OF
HUMANS OF FLESH, OF EARTH, AND MORTALS?
NOW JUST READ AGAIN JESUS’ WORDS HOPEFULLY YOU SEE THE TRUTH AND
TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE!
Matthew 23:9 And call none your father UPON EARTH; (PHYSICAL)
for one is your father, who is in heaven. (SPIRITUAL)
NOW TELL US Gene,
IF ACCORDING TO JESUS, GOD THE FATHER IS OUR FATHER,
“TO WHAT” IS GOD THE FATHER RELATED TO US, CONSIDERING THAT
WE ARE MORTAL CREATURES, AND OUR FLESH BODY BECOMES DUST?
IS HE A FATHER OF DUST?
IS HE A GOD OF DUST?
ALSO, IF JESUS, A HUMAN BEING IN FLESH AND BLOOD, “SUBJECT TO DEATH”,
BUT NEVER BECOMES DUST,
CALLED GOD THE FATHER, “A SPIRIT”, HIS FATHER, TO WHAT IS GOD THE FATHER RELATED TO JESUS?
HERE IT COMES Gene! ATTENTION PLEASE:
John 17: 10 And all my things (HUMAN IN FLESH) are thine, (HOW?)
and thine (GODLY IN SPIRIT) are mine; (HOW?)
and I am glorified in them.
ONE, BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH (HOW?)
ONE, BOTH GOD AND MAN (HOW?)Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Gene,
YOU: Berean……..When that was written he was and still is the only “human being”
who has ever been resurrected to eternal life from the grave.
ME: Gene, YOU SIMPLY IGNORE SCRIPTURE SO LONG YOU QUENCH YOUR THIRST.
WHY DON’T YOU PRODUCE THE GENUINE SCRIPTURE INSTEAD OF YOUR OWN CONFUSION, WITH EVERY RESPECT?
JESUS NEVER RESURRECTED TO ETERNAL LIFE!
JESUS HIMSELF IS BOTH THE LIFE AND ETERNAL LIFE!
John1:4 In him was life,
and the life was the light of men.1John1:2 For the life was manifested; ( IN THE MAN JESUS)
and we have seen and do bear witness, and declare unto you the LIFE ETERNAL, which was with the Father, (PRE-EXISTED) and hath APPEARED to us:
THE FACT THAT IN ONE SAME INSTANT JESUS DIED AND LIVED. JESUS, IN HIS FLESH, “THE WORD” MADE FLESH, WAS BOTH
DEAD on the cross and ALIVE in hell preaching His gospel!
1Peter3:18 Because Christ also died once for our sins, the just for the unjust:
that he might offer us to God, being put to death indeed in the flesh, but enlivened in the spirit, 19In which also coming he preached to those spirits that were in prison:
THE FACT THAT ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN JESUS EXPERIENCE THE SAME STATE!READ:
John 11:25 Jesus said to her:
I am the resurrection and the life:
he that believeth in me, although he be dead,
shall live:
26And every one that liveth, and believeth in me,
shall not die forever.
Believest thou this?
WITH RESPECT TO SCRIPTURES THE WORD “GRAVE” IN RELATION THE JESUS IS NOT USED!
JESUS CHRIST WAS RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD!
JUST TO MAKE YOU AWARE IN FULL HUMILITY, WHAT THE ABOVE IS IN ACTUAL FACT REVEALING READ:
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth adored him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb,
which was slain from the beginning of the world.
As you can read ABOVE Gene, Jesus, as a spirit, WAS SLAIN FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD, AS AN INFINITESIMAL SPECK OF HIS SPIRIT, ENGRAFTED AS ETERNAL LIFE IN EVERY SOUL.
SOULS WOULD HAVE NEVER EXISTED SINCE ALL SUSTAIN IN HIM!
NOW JESUS AS A HUMAN BEING DIED ON THE CROSS, BUT IN THE SAME INSTANT HE GLORIFIED AND BECAME ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE HOLY GHOST, IN JESUS CHRIST, John13:31-32. THIS MEANS THAT THE HOLY GHOST FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, POSSESSED THE FLESH, PRECISELY “THE WORD” JESUS’ FLESH, THE SON OF MAN, ACTS 20:28. CONSEQUENTLY, JESUS’ SPIRIT ORIGINALLY SLAIN ….Rev.13:8, IN THAT SAME INSTANT WAS NOT SLAIN ANYMORE, BUT ALIVE IN ALL SOULS, THUS
JESUS CHRIST GLORIFIED GODMAN
WHILE BEING DEAD AS A HUMAN ON THE CROSS, AND WAS SLAIN IN ALL SOULS IN HIS SPIRIT, TO BE CLEAR,
SLAIN IN ALL SPIRITUALLY DEAD SOULS BOTH IN HELL AND ON EARTH, THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE SINCE ADAM’S SIN. Well pinpointed out by Jesus on the cross before He died in:
Luke 23:46 And Jesus crying out with a loud voice, said:
Father, into thy hands I commend MY SPIRIT.
And saying this, he gave up the ghost. (THE HOLY GHOST)
NOW REFLECT ON:
2Corinthians 12:10……. For when I am WEAK, then am I POWERFUL.
You: But he is not the “only “begotten” son of God” , all those who have the Spirit of the Father in them are begotten of God, and are even now “Called son of God”,
ME: Gene, SO LONG YOU ARE CARNALLY MINDED, you will never, never, and never, GET TO THE TRUTH! WITH EVERY RESPECT!
JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD AD INTRA!
WITHIN THE DEITY, DIVINE/CREATOR
HUMANS ARE SONS OF GOD THROUGH JESUS, AD EXTRA!
OUTSIDE THE DEITY, CREATURES/ CREATORS THROUGH JESUS!
John14:12 Otherwise believe for the very works’ sake. Amen, amen I say to you, he that believeth in me, the works that I do, he also shall do;
and greater than these shall he do.
You: or haven’t you ever read , “for brothers even “NOW” we are the SONS OF GOD, and it does not yet appear what we shall be, but we know when he comes we shall be “AS HE IS”.
ANSWER Gene, BY WHAT PROCESS THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE BECAME SONS OF GOD?
READ WHAT I POSTED IN “DAILY DEVOTION”
YOU: You: …….I believe God is able to change the Heart and renew the mind of all his human creation,, so there is hope in him for salvation of all. IMO
The truth Gene is that God already did the above when Jesus died on the cross and
RESURRECTED WITH THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE ALL EMBODIED IN HIM!
HE GAVE US HIS BODY,
AS HE ASSERTED IN THE LAST SUPPER WHEN HE SAID
TAKE AND EAT, THIS IS MY BODY
WHICH IS GIVEN FOR YOU….
PRECISELY ON HIS RESURRECTION!
AND HE PRESENTED US NEW CREATION TO THE FATHER! PURIFIED IN HIS DIVINE UNIQUE FLESH AS
SONS OF GOD
2 Corinthians 5: 17 If then any be IN CHRIST a
NEW CREATURE,
the old things are passed away,
behold all things are made new.
ALL NEW IN JESUS CHRIST ISAIAH 9:6
“THE WORD” MADE FLESH!
OUR FIRST LOVE!
OUR GOD AND FATHER OF
THE HUMAN RACE IN FLESH!
GOD OF ALL FLESH
Jeremiah 32:27 Behold I am the Lord the God of all flesh:
shall anything be hard for me?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel……What’s interesting is you preach Jesus as your God, and Jesus preach God the Father as his God and “our God”. everything Jesus on the earth was to the Glory of the Father, just as he said , “I have glorified “YOU” Father on the earth , “now” glorify me, with the glory that was given me before the world existed., Jesus was a “foreknown person, foreknown by God, exactly as “Cyrus” was. Nothing more and nothing less.
Carmel, to deny Jesus humanity is to completely deny Jesus and God the Fathers words. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours Carmel……….. gene
Hi Gene,
Carmel……What’s interesting is you preach Jesus as your God, and Jesus preach God the Father as his God and “our God”.
YOU: everything Jesus on the earth was to the Glory of the Father,
YES BUT NOT QUITE PRECISE!
JESUS Gene WALKED ON EARTH NOT ONLY AS MAN BUT ALSO AS
THE GODHEAD CARNALLY Colossians 2:9
THE EMBODIMENT OF GOD!
Thus JESUS PREACHED BOTH HIS RELATIONSHIP AS A HUMAN WITH GOD IN VIEW OF HIS TASK ON EARTH FOR OUR SAKE, LOST AND DEAD, AND IN VIEW OF HIS TASK OF
THE TRUTH, JESUS HIMSELF,
FOR GOD THE FATHER’S SAKE, ON EARTH SATANIC, A TASK WHICH WAS NOT POSSIBLE FOR THE FATHER TO ACHIEVE
ALL BY HIMSELF EXCEPT AS
JESUS “THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD MADE FLESH! BY WHICH WORD/SPIRIT, GOD CREATED ALL!
John17:4I have glorified thee on the earth; I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
YOU: just as he said , “I have glorified “YOU” Father on the earth ,
PERFECT Gene! BUT CARRY ON READING PEASE
“now” glorify me,
WHO GLORIFIES WHO MR. Gene?
NOW READ WHAT YOU CORRUPTEDLY POSTED
with the glory that was given me before the world existed.,
ME: Gene, I wish that you simply IGNORE YOUR OWN CORRUPTED VERSIONS, AND PRODUCE GENUINE SCRIPTURE PLEASE Read:
John17:5 And now, O Father,
glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
OK Gene, …with the glory “WHICH I HAD”…..
NOT …..with the glory “THAT WAS GIVEN ME”….
JESUS, SPIRITUALLY SPEAKING, IS ETERNALLY ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE FATHER! Hebrews 1:3 ETERNALLY, WHATEVER THE FATHER HAS IS ALSO JESUS’ Read scriptures:
John 10:30 I and the Father are one.
John 16:15All things whatsoever the Father hath, are mine.
John17:10 And all my things are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
More to come
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel. Pure garbage, nothing about that post portrays Jesus, nor God the Father, God the Father did not need Jesus to do anything, he himself could not do, where did you get so screwed up in your thinking, to think you have to add all those reasons and thoughts to our scriptures all the time > you would think you would be to fearful of God the Father, to take such liberties with the scriptures as you do.
Carmel, Do you actually believe you will not have to give account for all your deceptions and clouding the truth here, Don’t you know it is the active work of the devil himself, you engaging in?
Repent Carmel while you Can, because his judgement is on it’s way.
peace and love to you and yours Carmel,……..gene
Hi Gene,
YOU:Carmel. Pure garbage, nothing about that post portrays Jesus, nor God the Father, God the Father did not need Jesus to do anything, he himself could not do, where did you get so screwed up in your thinking, to think you have to add all those reasons and thoughts to our scriptures all the time > you would think you would be to fearful of God the Father, to take such liberties with the scriptures as you do.
Carmel, Do you actually believe you will not have to give account for all your deceptions and clouding the truth here, Don’t you know it is the active work of the devil himself, you engaging in?
Repent Carmel while you Can, because his judgement is on it’s way.
ME:
ALL THE ABOVE IS
VOID!
PICK ONE WHAT FOR YOU IS MY REASON AND CONTRADICT ME USING SCRIPTURE!
I PRODUCED SCRIPTURE
YOU PRODUCED
NONSENSICAL VOID PERSONAL CARNAL-MINDED REASONING! READ:
John17:4I have glorified thee on the earth;
EXPLAIN HOW MR. Gene!
Could THE FATHER be born himself and BE A CARNAL FATHER AND GOD OF HUMANITY IN FLESH except,
AS JESUS?
John17:2 As thou hast given him power over
ALL FLESH,….
NOW READ:
And call none your father upon earth;
for one is your father, who is in heaven.JESUS CHRIST BEFORE THE WORLD WAS!
THE PHYSICAL EMBODIMENT OF GOD
THE GODHEAD CARNALLY BEFORE THE WORLD WAS!
John17:5 And now glorify thou me,
O Father, with thyself,
with the glory which I had, before the world was,
WITH THEE
AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL MR.Gene!
JESUS IN THE ABOVE CALLED HIMSELF
A FATHER WITH GOD HIS OWN FATHER!
John 10:30 I and the Father are one.
John 14:9 Jesus saith to him: Have I been so long a time with you; and have you not known me? Philip,
he that seeth me seeth the Father also.
How sayest thou, Shew us the Father?John 16:15 All things whatsoever the Father hath, are mine.
John17:10 And all my things are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
John20:17Jesus saith to her: Do not touch me, for I am not yet ascended to (THE GLORY OF)my Father. But go to my brethren, and say to them:
I ascend to (THE GLORY OF)my Father and to your Father, to my God and your God.
Isaiah 9:6 For a CHILD IS BORN to us, and a son IS GIVEN to us, and the government is upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor,
God the Mighty,
the Father of the world to come,the Prince of Peace.
John17:4 ……I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
THE ABOVE MR. Gene
IS ONLY CONCERNING THE TITLE OF
THE FATHER AND GODNow Mr. Gene, instead of your blah, blah, and blah,
YOUR SPECIALITY
PRODUCE GENUINE SCRIPTURE WHICH DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS
MY GENUINE SCRIPTURE!
WE ARE ALL SEARCHING FOR TRUTH!
BY WHICH TRUTH WE ALL BECOME FREE!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel…….simple answer, THE Father was not ever born, he existed before anyone was ever born. The Father can not be the Son , no Father can. Your reasoning is so screwed up it can even get the simplest of scriptures right. Common sense should tell you if “the MAN” JESUS was going to ascend up to the Father then he could not have bee itself the Father. And by the way your still adding words to our text, the words o the Glory is not I those scriptures you used. Trying to make Jesus a God is the same thing as trying to make MOSES a God when God the father used him to deliver Israel. His face even shown with the Glory of God.
Carmel there is no point reasoning with you , your so corrupted in your reasoning of scriptures , that it has become obvious you under the influence of a deluding spirit and have forsaking the way of truth.
sorry for you.
peace and love to you and yours…………gene
Hi Gene,
Carmel…….simple answer, THE Father was not ever born, he existed before anyone was ever born.
ME: O! I NEVER KNEW THAT! THANKS FOR LETTING ME KNOW!!!
The Father can not be the Son, no Father can. Your reasoning is so screwed up it can even get the simplest of scriptures right.
ME:???
YOU: Common sense should tell you if “the MAN” JESUS was going to ascend up to the Father then he could not have bee itself the Father.
Gene!
COMMON SENSE DOESN’T EXIST WHEN GOD AND HIS PERSONAL WORK ARE INVOLVED!
With men it is impossible; but not with God:
for all things are possible with God.
ONCE JESUS “THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD
WAS MADE FLESH!
1Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
John14:9 …Philip, he that seeth me seeth the Father also….
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi to all
BE YE ANGRY AND SIN NOT
Daily Devotional
AN AMAZING FACT: Habitually angry people are three times more likely to suffer a heart attack.
Have you ever heard someone say, “I just lost it!” when he got really angry? What he misplaced was his rational thinking! Anger has a way of shutting down the part of our brains that helps us behave wisely. Being vexed potentially hijacks our ability to make good choices. People who cannot control their anger often hurt themselves and other people. I know this from personal experience. I used to have a hard time, when I was young, controlling my temper. I’d often get into fights at school.Some people get angry because they feel they have been treated unfairly. Others get mad when they are under a lot of pressure. There are people who become irritated when they can’t control certain situations. And some people are furious at injustices they see happening toward others. Whatever the reason, anger has the potential to be explosive and cause damage. Even cardiologists know the deadly effects on heart attack patients who do not deal with their anger.
The first story of sibling rivalry in the Bible reveals the devastating effects of anger. Cain and Abel were brothers who, through their father Adam, learned to worship God with an offering. Though God’s instructions were clear about bringing a lamb, Cain was a farmer and decided to bring some of his own produce. Less messy? God accepted Abel’s offering, but did not receive Cain’s. The older brother became jealous of his younger sibling and murdered him. It’s not a healthy picture.
You might feel your anger problem is not a big deal, but Jesus actually warns us, “Whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment” (Matthew 5:22). Christ actually associates anger with murder. It’s as if Jesus is telling us that the end result of all anger leads to death, which is true when we break any of God’s commandments.
The Prince of Peace can give you victory over your anger. He helped me. Through Bible study, prayer, memorizing Scripture, and the power of the Spirit, I’ve learned to not respond harshly to others who might be angry. That only stirs up a hornet’s nest. It’s much better to give a gentle answer. Soft responses sometimes come through silence and other times through carefully chosen words.
Additional reading: Proverbs 15:1–15
KEY BIBLE TEXTS
A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger. Proverbs 15:1God bless
Hi Gen,
You: Common sense should tell you if “the MAN” JESUS was going to ascend up to the Father then he could not have bee itself the Father.
Gene FORGET YOUR CORRUPTED VERSIONS AND
PRODUCE GENUINE SCRIPTURE!
You: And by the way your still adding words to our text, the words o the Glory is not I those scriptures you used.
Gene, the words “THE GLORY OF” are within brackets, SIMPLY TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF YOUR BLINDNESS, AND REVEAL THE TRUTH OF THAT STATEMENT BY JESUS!
NOW READ GENUINE SCRIPTURE Gene,
John20:17 17Jesus saith to her: Do not touch me, for I am not yet ASCENDED TO my Father. But go to my brethren, and say to them:
I ASCEND TO
my Father and to your Father, to my God and your God.
OK Gene,???
ASCEND TO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOURS ASCEND UP TO
JESUS NEVER MEANT THAT HE WAS ABOUT TO GO UP TO THE FATHER IN HEAVEN, AT LEAST NOT BEFORE THE EXPIRING OF THOSE FORTY DAYS HE REMAINED ON EARTH AS THE SOLE RULER
BOTH GOD AND MAN!
Just read please;
Mark 16:19 And the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them,
was taken up into heaven,….
Gene in the Above scripture Jesus WAS TAKEN UP!
HE NEVER ASCENDED UP BY HIMSELF AS YOU IMPLY!
SO John20:17 WAS NOT A REFERENCE TO JESUS’ ASCENSION INTO HEAVEN, BUT TO HIS GLORIFICATION AS GODMAN, John13:31-32
ALSO, BEFORE JESUS WAS TAKEN TO HEAVEN, HE FOR FORTY DAYS MANIFESTED GOD’S KINGDOM AND GOD’S WILL ON EARTH . Well asserted in Luke 17:20-37
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel……..not a single scripture calls Jesus a “God man”. Not so much as one. But Jesus said concerning God, this, “that they might know “you” the “ONLY” true God, and Jesus who “YOU” have sent”, you haven’t got past that yet. Done posting to you Carmel you simply twist every scripture quoted to you, Your simply a waste of time to me and everyone else here. IMO
peace and love to you and yours Carmel ………….gene
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