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- November 29, 2021 at 7:55 am#892044BereanParticipant
Hi to all,
666 THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST
As the origin of 666 and the real truth on the number of the beast continues to become more widely known through sites such as this one and others discovering the truth, Satan has begun a counter attack by throwing other numbers into the equation as a diversionary tactic. Numbers like 606 and 616 are now emerging, but these numbers have no significance and are incorrect as you shall soon see from the real truth on 666 the number of the beast. The extraordinary truth on this mysterious number 666 and its origin is about to reveal just how wrong so many can be on Biblical topics, and how Satan can and does keep many deceived and in the dark on extremely important issues such as the number of the beast. This should be a well known truth such as the origin of this solar seal with the number 666 on it.November 29, 2021 at 8:09 am#892045BereanParticipantWho is the Beast that has the Number 666?
The identity of the beast, also known as antichrist can be found from several passages in scripture. For instance, with historical help, Daniel 7 unlocks Revelation 13 and reveals who the beast is, and Revelation 17 in regards to Mystery Babylon also reveals who antichrist is on its own. While we find that individual passages of Revelation, 1 John and Daniel reveal the identity of the beast power, all these passages are like pieces of an even bigger jigsaw puzzle, which all fit together perfectly and further substantiate the truth. There is absolutely no doubt who the beast power is. See is the number of the beast from Satan to find what a beast represents in the Bible.The reference to 666 as the number of the beast is found in Revelation 13:17-18, which continues into the next chapter with a very severe warning on accepting the mark or the number of the beast. Note carefully in verse 17 that the number of the beast is not the mark and is a separate symbol. Amazingly, most have missed this simple but very important fact. You will also note in Revelation 14:8-9 that the beast is referred to as Babylon and that “SHE made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.” The same phraseology is found in Revelation 17:2 referring to Mystery Babylon. The beast is called Babylon with good reason and is referred to symbolically as a she because the Bible also represents her as a woman. A woman symbolically in the Bible is always a Church as the Church is the bride of Christ.
In Revelation 17:1-6 John the Revelator is being shown the “Great whore” who has not been faithful to Christ because of idol worship etc. Note she is called a woman [Church] in verses 3 and 4 and in verse 5 this Church is symbolically referred to as Babylon. See Ezekiel 16:26-32, Jeremiah 3:1-25.
There is a tremendous weight of evidence available that reveals that the beast that has the number 666 in Revelation 13 and 14, and this woman in Revelation 17 are all one and the same. From Daniel 7, Revelation 13 and history we find that this beast power is a Church that changed the law of God, persecuted the Christian saints and is called Babylon in Revelation 14. In Revelation 17, through the reference to her being called a woman, we also know this is referring to a Church and one that persecuted the Christian saints and is called Mystery Babylon. This is not coincidence as they are one and the same Church. The question is: why does God call this Church Babylon?
With further study and research, we find the man at the head of this Church now has the title that once belonged to the Pagan Priests of Babylon and that very significant fact is just scratching the surface. There is a mountain of evidence proving that this Church took on many idolatrous pagan practices of literal Babylon and primarily why God refers to this Church as Babylon.
Revelation 13:18 states that 666 the number of the beast is the number of a man that heads the beast power, which is this Church that God calls Babylon. So the next question is, since this Church took on so much paganism from literal Babylon, is the number of the beast something God gave her because of what resulted from the paganism that she took on from Babylon? In other words, does 666 that is now the number of the beast also come from Babylon? The answer as you would no doubt expect is a resounding YES!
As you discover the origin of the number 666, remember that the Babylonians could not have possibly known about the Biblical reference to 666 as John did not write about the number of the beast for hundreds of years later.
By now I am sure you have concluded that there is only Church that changed God’s law and persecuted millions of Christians through the dark ages and has also taken on many of the pagan practices of Babylon and can be no other than the Roman Catholic Church. This is an unmistakable fact no matter what angle you come at it from scripture and history. See who is the real antichrist and mystery Babylon for very detailed information.
Why God calls the Catholic Church Babylon and the Origin of 666
So why is 666 the number of a man and just what is the real significance of the number of the beast? The book of Revelation informs us several times that the number of the beast and the mark of the beast revolve around worship and the unmistakable message is to not worship the beast. And Revelation 13:18 is also very clear that 666 is the number of the man ruling the beast power (Catholic Church) but the question we all want answered is why God calls the Catholic Church Babylon and the origin of this mysterious number 666 and how it relates to the Roman Catholic Church and Babylon.You would imagine that the answer to these questions would be well known but our adversary has made sure that not many know the answers to these questions or why the Book of Revelation refers to the number 666 with such negative overtones. On the next page you will discover why worship is such a significant issue in regards to this mysterious number 666 and the mark of the beast.
to be continued
November 30, 2021 at 1:17 am#892061BereanParticipant666 THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST AND ITS ORIGIN
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Before getting into this fascinating topic, it is important to look at the significance of the Babylonians using the sexagesimal (base-60) number system from which comes 60 minutes in an hour, 60 seconds in a minute, 360 (60×6) degrees in a circle and 60 degrees in each angle of an equilateral triangle etc. 360 divided by 10 = 36 (more on this number soon) and 6 * 6 = 36. It is from this that this mysterious number 666 being the number of the beast came from, which was directly linked with the worship practices of ancient Babylon from around the time of Daniel. See also Daniel 3:1.
The Babylonians worshiped gods that were associated with the sun, moon, planets and stars involved with astrology. Babylonians were also the principle developers of astrology as we know it today and it is because of this that the pagan priests wore amulets called “Sigilla Solis” or “Sun Seal” which symbolized 36 constellations. See also the origin of Babylon and sun worship.
THE ORIGIN OF 666
In this system of worship, they had 36 supreme gods, which included the sun god, which they believed to be the father of all the other gods and so was supreme over all. The Babylonians believed that numbers had power over their gods they worshiped so they assigned numbers to their gods so that they could have power over them. They did this by counting their gods and assigning a consecutive number to each of the 36 lesser supreme gods, and then added up these numbers (from 1 to 36) and assigned the sum to the sun god. The sun god was assigned number 1 as it was the father of all gods and thus was also the male deity. The moon god was assigned number 2 and of course was the female deity. The gods numbered from 3 through 36 were considered the children of the sun and the moon god, which included the various stars and constellations that these gods were associated with. I am sure that you have already guessed by now that the sum of the numbers from 1 to 36 totals 666, which they also assigned to the god associated with the sun as being the father of all their gods. The calculation is simply this:1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 + 12 + 13 + 14 + 15 + 16 + 17 + 18 + 19 + 20 + 21 + 22 + 23 + 24 + 25 + 26 + 27 + 28 + 29 + 30 + 31 + 32 + 33 + 34 + 35 + 36 = 666
Scholar and Secret Society expert Murl Vance commented the following in his book “Trail of the Serpent.”
“In the astrological religion of Babylon, every god had his sacred number or numbers which were often used in place of the god’s name. These numbers indicated the god’s place and power among the astrological gods…
Going deeply back into Babylonian astrology we find the real reason for the sanctity for the number 36. The Babylonians divided each of the 12 houses in the zodiac into three rooms, making 36 in all. They then divided the entire remainder of the sky into 36 constellations, and appointed the ruling god of each constellation to rule over one of the 36 rooms of the zodiac. Since the spirits of the departed were believed to go to and dwell in the stars – a teaching still much alive today, there was therefore not a spirit in the heavens, not a star in the sky which was not represented in the 36 rooms of the zodiac, and to swear by the number 36 was to swear by every god in the heavens above, as well as by all the spirits of the departed. The 36 gods were called decans because each ruled over 10 degrees of the zodiacal circle and over 10 days of the 360-day year.
The seven planets or the 7-headed astrological dragon ruled over the 36 decans and over them all, as we have noted, ruled the sun, ‘the father of the gods.’ It was natural and inevitable that since the summary number of the numbers from 1-36 is 666, this number (called the Grand Number of the Sun), should have been assigned to the sun-god as the cosmic god who not only ruled over all the other gods but also was their heavenly parent. Herein lies the reason for the ‘Solar Seals’ in use before the time of Christ as amulets to ward off any evil that might come from the 36 decans.” (Vance, pp. 26, 27)
Because the Babylonians saw their gods as being predominantly evil, they feared that one of them may strike them down sometime. This is why they made these amulets with a 6 * 6 matrix with the numbers 1 through 36 on them, which are called numeric matrixes magic squares today. Some positive qualities were credited to some of their gods and particularly the sun god, but overall their gods were seen as being evil rather than good.
The design of the amulets was to protect them from a god striking them down using his magic power so the amulets had to be as powerful as possible. In order to increase its power, they arranged these numbers in such a way that the sum of any given row, column or diagonal was 111, and therefore the sum of all six rows or all six columns was 666. This was supposed to provide extra protection including from the sun god since this god’s sum was present on the amulet. The one above has the god of the sun standing on the lion. This indicated the sun’s position in the constellation of Leo during the hot days of August. The back is inscribed “Nachyel,” meaning “intelligence of the sun” and the numbers 1 to 36. The second illustration is also a solar seal, but it honours the star Basilisco, which was the diminutive form of the Greek basileus (king), thus meaning the same as the Latin regulus. Regulus is the only first magnitude star in the constellation of Leo. The sun and the moon are again clearly seen on this amulet and on the reverse side is the same arrangement of numerals with the actual figure 666 given as the total.
This statement from Murl Vance further explains the need for a person to carry the amulets with them:
“…as to why anyone should use the number 666 lies in the very nature of pagan idolatry, which is … nothing but disguised demon worship. The principle behind all demon worship is fear, and the worship is nothing more than an effort to placate the evil one. Since in the fear religions, all misfortune, sickness, and death are the result of the operation of evil spirits, the worshiper, knowing by his conduct that he is not on God’s side and therefore cannot expect, as long as he continues in open rebellion, to have his prayers for help addressed to God answered, turns to the only other supernatural power available to him, Lucifer himself.
One characteristic stands out in any of these fear religions: the worshiper ever tries to stay in the good graces of his god by revering or wearing some symbol representing that god. Not only does he offer his most cherished possessions – perhaps his own children – he must ever, to avoid disaster, have on his person some object in which the spirit of his god dwells, he must carry his god around with him. This is the principle behind all charms, amulets, and magical objects ever found in pagan idolatry.” (Murl Vance, Trail of the Serpent. Pages 108-109).
These amulets were usually made of gold being like the colour of the sun or baked clay tablets and were carried in yellow silk or hung around their neck, which they believed provided protection as long as they carried it with them.
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32
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This table as illustrated has the same arrangement of numbers as the above images in a 6 x 6 matrix and is also referred to in numerology as the magic square of the Sun. There are similar magic squares for Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Venus, Mercury and the Moon, all of which have been known for centuries.The creating of amulets with this number arrangement that belongs to astrology appears to have continued well past the time of Christ. Archaeologists have found amulets with Latin inscriptions, so we know that the Romans were indulging in this practice. Therefore, the number 666 came about from pagan worship practices of the Babylonians and their practice of astrology. The symbolism of sun worship is still used in many areas of the Catholic Church today, not always particularly obvious but often packaged discreetly as to not be noticed by the untrained eye. After the Church became the state religion of the Roman Empire, possessing a 666 solar seal, magic square could get you burned at the stake!
In a very real sense, the numbers representing each god carried by the holder was believed to give them power that they would not ordinarily have. To the worshiper of the Babylonian gods, anyone having such an amulet on himself with the sum reaching to 666 was seen as having power over all the gods and would likely have been regarded with some awe and respect. This power would be seen as great because the person had the sum of 666 on them, which gave that person power over even the highest supreme god, the sun god. A person would want authority over even the highest god so that he could control his own destiny and protect himself from evil that any of the gods might do to him. This particular magic square is a baked clay tablet and is written in Arabic.
SUMMARY NUMBERS AND THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST
Note that the numbers 36 and 666 are called summary numbers because they “summarize” the sum of the numbers of the gods. 36 is the summary number for the god numbers 1 through 8, while 666 is the summary number of the god numbers 1 through 36. They are more commonly called triangular numbers, which was an important concept to the ancient Babylonians.Each god had one or more numbers assigned to it as the sun god not only had the number 666 assigned to it as the sum of the numbers of the 36 gods, but it also had the number 1 assigned to it, which went towards creating the sum of the 36 god numbers. The moon god was assigned the number 2 as it was considered the wife of the sun god, so their most important son was assigned the number 3 and typified all new life, whether plant or animal. The summary number of all three of these gods was 6 because 1 + 2 + 3 = 6. As Murl Vance put it, “As the summary number of the father, the mother, and the son, 6 therefore ’embraced all the powers of the three gods.’” (Murl Vance, page 26) Logically, to swear by the number 6 was to swear by the power of all three of these gods. This was the pagan origin of the trinity doctrine. While speculative, it is possible that this may have something to do with the choice of having 36 gods because 6 * 6 = 36.
THE FALL OF BABYLON
When the Medes and Persians conquered Babylon in 539 B.C., they came with their own religious practices and gods, so had no need of the priests of the Babylonian religious system. Although the Persians were sympathetic towards the Babylonian god Marduk and did accommodate the priests of this god for a while, it appears from history that they eventually fired the priests and used their own. The Babylonian priests left Babylon (probably because they were out of work) and most of them went to Pergamum and some to Egypt where they taught their religious practices to the Egyptians. The Egyptians readily picked up these Babylonian religious concepts and further extended and developed some of the ideas that we find in astrology today.The teaching of the Babylonian religious practices by the Babylonian priests and their direct descendants went on in the city of Pergamum for centuries afterwards. They taught astrology and making the amulets with the numbers 1 to 36 on them in the special arrangements they commonly used. This continued until about the year 133 B.C. when the last king of the Attalid Empire, (Eumenes’ son, Attalus III) who had his capital at Pergamum, died without an heir and bequeathed his kingdom to Rome. Rome accepted the kingdom and set up the province of Asia, which included Ionia and the territory of Pergamum by 129 B.C. When Alexander the Great came through the region, much of the knowledge of astronomy and astrology that the Babylonian priests possessed was also passed on to the Greeks.
Sometime soon after this, the priests who were still teaching the Babylonian religious practices saw their opportunity and went to Rome. The Romans often adopted the religious practices of other cultures, which also helped the empire survive as long as it did. The Babylonian priests rightly calculated that the Romans would be very willing to learn and follow their teachings. Soon all of Rome filled with their religious teachings and practices. It eventually became so pervasive that people called Rome the “New Babylon.” Early Christians also used the term Babylon as a veiled code word for a particular city to avoid persecution from that pagan power. That city as you have no doubt concluded was also Rome. See also 1 Peter 5:13.
When the Christian Church came along, the practices and beliefs of the Babylonian religion followed right into the Church. Historians have said that it seemed almost the entire city of Rome converted virtually overnight to Christianity, but what actually happened is that the Babylonian religion was simply brought into the Church and the three supreme gods of the Babylonian religion were simply renamed as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Lesser gods became saints of the Church. Their pagan Babylonian religious practices came into the Church right along with it. This made it easy for the followers of the Babylonian religion to convert to Christianity, but it certainly was not a genuine conversion. God condemns these pagan practices, but they brought them into the Church anyway.
History also fully supports this. The pagan Babylonian priests had a chief priest who held the title Pontifex Maximus (translated to Latin meant that he was head pagan priest or literally the Greatest Pontiff). Most have heard the word “Pontiff” applied to the Pope and history explains where that term comes from. Originally, the king of the Attalid Empire held the title of Pontiff, and he passed it on to the Babylonian Priests before he died and they went to Rome. This title was given to Julius Caesar in 63 B.C. thereby making him the supreme priest of the Babylonian Religion and its gods. (This shows that the Babylonian priests arrived in Rome before the time of Julius Caesar or this event could not have happened.)
This meant that the Babylonian religion literally moved into Rome and took it over, becoming head of the Roman government. This title passed from emperor to emperor, all of whom served as chief priest of the Babylonian Religion from then on until 367 A.D., where the Roman Emperor Gratian became the first since Julius Caesar to refuse the title Pontifex Maximus. Before Gratian refused the title Pontifex Maximus, the young Emperor bestowed it upon Pope Damasus I, who became the first Pope in history to hold the title. This made him head of the Babylonian religion when he took the title of Pontifex Maximus. Damasus I was the head of the Christian Church in Rome, and took the title as head of the pagan Babylonian Religion and its collection of pagan gods. Did the Babylonian Religion move into the Christian Church? History says most definitely YES. So why does God call the Papal Church Babylon? The answer should now be becoming clear.
Some dispute that Church leaders brought Babylonian pagan religious practices into the Catholic Church but even Catholic historians admit it. Cardinal Newman in his Development of Christian Doctrine, pages 372, 373 says that the Church incorporated many pagan religious practices into the Church. He claims that the Church sanctified them and that made it safe to bring these practices into the Church. Every year Catholic Pilgrims kiss the feet of the Roman god Jupiter thinking they are kissing the image of Peter. God condemns idolatry, the making of images for worship, and even bowing down before images as part of an act of worship. Yet many images are in Catholic Churches and they teach people to bow down before them. They may be praying to someone else but the act of bowing down before the image, regardless of what or who one is actually worshipping at the time is plainly what God condemns in Exodus 20:4-6.
God condemned the Catholic Church in Revelation by referring to it as Babylon. They brought many pagan religious practices into the Church despite God condemning these idolatrous practises. The Church in Rome seems to believe that it can bring things into the Church that are pagan in origin, make them holy and therefore make them acceptable to God. However, the Bible teaches that only God is holy and only he can make things holy. Here is what Vance said about this:
“Though the early church leaders showed themselves strongly opposed to Gnosticism, many scholars point out that it was later embraced by the Church. Montfaucon [a Catholic scholar quoted by Vance] tells us that demon worship was carried on in the early church by those claiming to be bishops of Jesus Christ, and the Gnostics, as we have already seen, combined the worship of the serpent with the worship of Christ, they combined elements from the Babylonian, Persian, Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Hebrew, and Christian religion into the universal or catholic system which embraced all others. It is but natural that they should take over, also, the summary number which includes in its mystic embrace the whole circuit of the heavens and all its gods, the number 666, the secret and most sacred number, we believe, in all paganism.” (Vance, page 113)
Here is just one example of pagan religious beliefs being incorporated into the very heart of the Papacy. Look at the picture of the artist’s painting of the Papal throne (from the Vatican Museum) and note the zodiac symbols above the throne. Why are these symbols present above the Pope’s throne? During Medieval times, the zodiac symbols were carved into the Papal throne (Vance, page 22). One has to wonder why the zodiac, which are clearly pagan symbols, would be carved into the throne of the ruler of the Catholic Christian Church?
There is no evidence that I know of that the Papal thrones have the zodiac on or around them in modern times, but there is clear evidence that they once did have such signs associated with them. The Papacy itself has verified this (Vance, page 89, quoting from the frontispiece of Di Fortuna, published under the auspices of Pope Clement VII). See more on Catholic Church paganism.
The reason the Bible speaks so negatively about 666 is that it symbolizes the power of the person who has this number to have power over all the other gods, which in the case of the Papacy is their claim to be God and to have authority over God and his law, which are false claims. Because the Popes claim both to be God and to have authority over God, they believe that they can change the law of God to suit their own purposes. This is extremely serious to God and He knows it will also lead many to be lost for all eternity. So the above evidence links 666 with ancient sun worshipping pagan Babylon and the Papacy of the Catholic Church, which is dominated by pagan practices and solar images and referred to as Babylon in the book of Revelation. This is just a small part of the evidence that makes this relationship apparent.
Two things came from 666 and this pagan sun worship which is Sun-day worship and the Trinity doctrine. Both come from Babylon and both were brought into Christendom by the Catholic Church whom God calls Babylon. See the pagan origins of the Trinity doctrine for detailed information.
One should now understand the relevance of why God calls the Catholic Church Babylon, and while 666 the number of the beast is not directly satanic, it is indirectly very satanic as it comes out of Babylonian pagan worship. As a result, the Catholic Church has symbolically become Babylon and why we find that the head of this power has the number 666. It was also known a long time ago that various Papal titles such as “Vicarius Filii Dei” which means Vicar of Christ or substitute for Christ, being synonymous with Antichrist, i.e., assuming the power of God on earth, does count or add up to 666 in Roman numerals and Latin etc. All the parallels are amazing such as the numbers on the amulet count to 666 and in the same way the Bible says to count the number of the beast, which also comes to 666. See an excerpt of an article on the known titles of the Pope called “The number of a man ” or select for the full original image. See Page 17 for continued article.
To find out why the number of the beast that originated with sun worship has now been given to the head of the Papal Church, I highly recommend reading how sun-day worship actually began around 2000 B.C. and was Satan worship that took place on Sunday. This is essential eye opening reading.
November 30, 2021 at 8:23 am#892062ProclaimerParticipantIn two paragraphs, what is 666 the number of the beast according to you and your church?
November 30, 2021 at 10:56 am#892063BereanParticipantHi Proclaimer
For me
The number 666 of the beast like the bible Say IS THE NUMBER OF A MAN, AND more exactly the number OF the name of the beast.
[17]And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
[18] Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.The number of the beast’s name= the number of a man = 666
The MAN is identified WITH the BEAST’S NAME.
Normaly a beast symbolise a Kingdom
So here WE CAN conclude That THE MAN identifies with his kingdom, he IS one with HIM.
SO THE QUESTION IS WHO IS THE BEAST?
THE NUMBER OF HIS NAME IS 666
AND THIS IS A NUMBER OF A MAN.
WHAT MAN?
THE SUM, THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THIS MAN IS WORTH 666 WHEN IT IS RIGHTLY COUNTED (count the number of the beast…)
One solution that has been proposed in the past by Protestants to solve the enigma of the number of the beast, 666, has been the Latin title, Vicarius Filii Dei, which means “vicar * of the Son of God”. This title is used as a title of the Pope in the Donation of Constantine, “the deed, which turned out to be a forgery **, but confirming a posteriori an already ancient and legitimate possession, by which the Emperor Constantine I gave to the Pope Sylvestre the primacy over the Churches of the East and the imperium over the West. (Wikipedia).
VICARIUS FILII DEI “COUNTED” = 666
V= 5
I=1.
C=100
A=0
R=0.
I=1
U= 5
S=0
F=0
I=1
L= 50
I= 1
I=1
D= 500
E=0
I=1
VICARIUS = 112
FILII = 53
DEI= 501
112+ 53+501 = 666
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November 30, 2021 at 12:10 pm#892064ProclaimerParticipantSo the Pope is the Antichrist and the Vatican is the Beast?
November 30, 2021 at 6:31 pm#892065gadam123ParticipantSo the Pope is the Antichrist and the Vatican is the Beast?
That is the interpretation of SDA Church.
November 30, 2021 at 10:31 pm#892068ProclaimerParticipantThe Pope is an antichrist if we take the definition that it means one in the place of Christ. So it is possible.
But I do not see the Vatican as the Beast.
It seems more likely to be the woman dressed in purple holding a golden cup which is symbolic of false religion.
The beast empires all had pantheons of gods that were not the one true God.
The same woman rode the whole beast, so it’s probably not even Roman Catholicism only, but false Babylonian religion that has found expression in many religions including Roman Catholicism.
December 1, 2021 at 4:50 am#892069GeneBalthropParticipantTo All……you can’t define a Antichrist unless you understand what is the meaning of the word is. What situation existed that caused John to coin that word. So you must understand who John addressed it to and Why.
John was addressing the Gnostics of his day, who crept into the Church and began teaching a different teaching about Jesus, trying to remove the established teachings about the human flesh man Jesus who in order to be a human Messiah, “had to be anointed ” by the Holy Spirit of God. That is exactly what happened to Jesus, after he was baptized by John.The Gnostics taught (Against) that teaching, saying Jesus was a PREEXISTING God who came from the “PALORA of the GOD’S, therefore he had no need to be anointed with he Holy Spirit from God , because he was a God already.
They also denied that Jesus was a real flesh ad blood human being, but only came disguised as a man, so in that way, they denied he was actually came, as a flesh and blood human being.So from these two things John coined the term ANTI-Christos . Or against the Anointing of “the “MAN” Jesus .
So then we need to ask ourselves, do we believe Jesus did not come into his “only” being, as a flesh and blood son of mankind?, Then you are a Antichrist, do you believe Jesus was a God sent to earth “disguised” as a flesh man, then you are also a Antichrist. Today “nearly “ALL” modern day so-called Christians are Antichrist’s, they just don’t know it, yet.
Yes the Catholic’s Are Antichrists, as well as her daughters the Protestant Churches also, and anyone who shares those beliefs are also. The word Antichrist is not a person it’s a “believe” and all who believe that way share the title “Antichrist”.
peace and love to you all and yours………..gene
December 1, 2021 at 7:03 am#892070BereanParticipantGene
Once again you give us a mix of truths and mistakes
You preach A Christ out of the law, earthly, while the bible with all these holy men teach us that Christ in the beginning was WITH THE GOD (THE FATHER) AND THAT HE WAS GOD FOR THE GOOD REASON THAT HE WAS HIS ONLY SON BEGOTTEN.December 2, 2021 at 3:58 am#892074GeneBalthropParticipantBerean……..When that was written he was and still is the only “human being” who has ever been resurrected to eternal life from the grave. But he is not the “only “begotten” son of God” , all those who have the Spirit of the Father in them are begotten of God, and are even now “Called son of God”, or haven’t you ever read , “for brothers even “NOW” we are the SONS OF GOD, and it does not yet appear what we shall be, but we know when he comes we shall be “AS HE IS”.
YOU people never stop trying to make Jesus appear different from his human Brothers and sisters do you? Denying him his place in the human creation of God, and denying the glory of Father’s work in humanity also . you make him out to, not be a Flesh and bone human being like us, all the while not understanding, that’s exactly what Satan want’s you to do. To move Jesus’ “identity” away FROM MANKIND, be careful Berean you may get the “SEPARATION” , you preach.
peace and love to you and yours Berean……….gene
December 2, 2021 at 7:33 am#892076BereanParticipantGene
“YOU people never stop trying to make Jesus appear different from his human Brothers and sisters do you? Denying him his place in the human creation of God, and denying the glory of Father’s work in humanity also . “
As long as I am alive in Christ, I will resist this disastrous heresy of an ONLY EARTHLY Christ EVEN WORSE THAN THE TRINITY. Christ comes from heaven, he came down from heaven, … you read it, why resist this fact.
But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
[8] Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
[9] (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
[10] He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)December 3, 2021 at 4:16 am#892080GeneBalthropParticipantBerean…….Jesus descended into the grave and ascended out of it, into heaven, that’s not saying he descended from heaven and then descended into the grave and reascended out of the grave to heaven again, as you and the Trinitarians falsely believe. Why do you deny your a Trinitarian, when you it seems believe and worship Jesus as a God who came from heaven as they do.
Who is your “First” love Berean, is it Jesus or God the Father? Rev 2:4.
No matter how much you do in service to Jesus, if you put him “Above or even equal to God the Father” , all your works will be in vain. Remember Berean, “the LORD our GOD, is a “JEALOUS ” GOD”, and gives “HIS” glory to, “NO MAN”, and He Is “GREATER” then Jesus. Make sure your love to God the Father , is “ALL” your heart, “ALL” your Soul, ALL” you strength…. Matt 22:36. The word ALL means above everything, even above yourself , as Jesus’ “FIRST”, LOVE WAS.peace and love to you and yours Berean………gene
December 3, 2021 at 6:25 am#892081BereanParticipantGene
Jesus descended into the grave and ascended out of it, into heaven,
Me
That IS not That the Word say
Jesus said: I came down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of Him who sent me.
When Jesus said this he was long before he went to the tomb …. he was speaking in the past tense ….
Jesus is very clear:John16: 28 I came out of the Father, and I came into the world; now I am leaving the world, and going to the Father.
December 3, 2021 at 6:33 am#892082BereanParticipantHEAVEN
GOD THE FATHER AND HIS SON
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JESUS CAME DOWN TO
OUR EARTTH….
December 4, 2021 at 3:50 am#892087GeneBalthropParticipantBerean…..If you truly believe Jesus, then I can from the Father who is in heaven also. Did not Jesus say , “call no man your father on earth, but one is your father who is in Heaven.”. Did he also not say, “OUR” father who is in heaven” ? What make you think the word “OUR” excludes us ?
Trying to make Jesus appear different then we are, is “exactly what Satan want’s you to do “. He wants you to replace God the Father as your “First love” With Jesus. Rev 2:4. Your Not alone, probably 95% of all Christendom has done that already.
“HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT SAYS UNTO THE CHURCHES” why do you think that the church at Ephesus was the first church Jesus spoke to, from the spirit of God, about their “First love”, do you think it could be, because that would be the number one problem that would be effecting all the churches? Especially today. You can know where you are, by honestly answering that question Berean.
Peace and love to you and yours Berean………gene
December 4, 2021 at 9:53 am#892088BereanParticipantGene
I am not trying to make Jesus appear as it is not, but as THE WORD OF GOD made it appear to me …
like Colossians 2v.9
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
For in him dwelleth ALL THE FULNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY.Godhead: “Paul is declaring that in the Son there dwells all the fullness of absolute Godhead; they were no mere rays of divine glory which gilded Him, lighting up His Person for a season and with splendor not His own; but He was, and is, absolutely and perfectly God; and the apostle uses theotes to express this essential and personal Godhead of the Son.”
All the fullness of the Godhead bodily: The false teaching among the Colossian Christians was something like an early form of the Gnostic heresies that would come later. These Gnostic heresies made a radical separation between the spiritual and the material. That is why Paul needed to make it clear that all the fullness of the Godhead was in Jesus bodily, not in some strange, mystical sense. John also dealt with this false teaching in 1 John 4:2-3 and other passages.
i. A false teaching related to this in the early church was called Docetism, which claimed that Jesus had no actual human body; He only seemed to have one. Another false teaching was called Cerinthianism, and it said that “Jesus the man” was separate and distinct from “the Spirit of Christ.”
December 4, 2021 at 1:01 pm#892089carmelParticipantHi Gene,
YOU: Berean…..If you truly believe Jesus, then I can from the Father who is in heaven also. Did not Jesus say ,
“call no man your father on earth, but one is your father who is in Heaven.”.
Gene, believe it or not, it’s your pigeon,
JESUS WAS REFERRING ALSO TO HIMSELF IN THE ABOVE! READ AGAIN PLEASE
call no man your father on earth, ONLY JESUS IS OUR FATHER GODMAN IN FLESH
EVEN BEFORE THE WORLD WAS John17:5
ME: Gene, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO HEAR YOU EXPLAIN WHY JESUS SAID THE ABOVE!
WHAT IS THE REASON THAT JESUS MADE CLEAR THAT WE CALL
NO MAN OUR FATHER?
WHAT IS THE REASON THAT JESUS ASSERTED THAT THERE’S
ONE OUR FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN?
ANSWER GENE?
IS GOD THE FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN
THE FATHER OF THE FLESH AND MORTALS OF EARTH?
GOD THE FATHER ACCORDING TO JESUS IS OF HEAVEN, SPIRIT! ISN’T HE?
HE IS NEITHER OF EARTH, NOR OF FLESH, AND ALSO
NOT MORTAL.
HOW ON EARTH ARE YOU ATTRIBUTING JESUS’ STATEMENT TO
US, AS HUMANS OF EARTH, OF FLESH AND MORTALS, IN RELATION TO GOD THE FATHER WHO IS SPIRIT, OF HEAVEN, AND NOT MORTAL?
YOU: Did he also not say, “OUR” father who is in heaven”?
What makes you think the word “OUR” excludes us?
NOW YOU TELL US Gene,
THE WORD “OUR” DEFINITELY INCLUDES US, BUT IS IT IN RELATION TO GOD THE FATHER WHO IS A SPIRIT, WHILE WE
AS HUMANS OF EARTH, ARE OF FLESH AND MORTALS?
GO, AHEAD Gene, TELL US, LET US HEAR YOU CARNAL MINDED REASONING PLEASE?
WITH EVERY RESPECT TO YOU!JUST TO KEEP YOU WELL IN MIND:
WHAT IS FLESH IS FLESH and
WHAT IS SPIRIT IS SPIRIT!ALSO:
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING WHEN IT COMES TO GOD’S OWN WORK,
IT IS HIS SPIRIT THAT GIVES LIFE TO ALL OF HIS WORK EVEN WHEN ATTRIBUTED TO THE FLESH!
THE FACT THAT “THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD, A SPIRIT, THE SUBSTANCE OF THE FATHER, Hebrews 1:3
WAS MADE FLESH AS THE MAN JESUS, THE SON OF MAN!
ONE MORE THING Gene, READ:
John17:1 THESE things Jesus spoke, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said: Father, the hour is come, glorify thy Son,
that thy Son may glorify thee.
2As thou hast given him power over all flesh,…..Answer Gene,
WHO HAS THE POWER OVER ALL FLESH? OR MORE PRECISE:
WHO IS THE PROPRIETOR OF THE HUMAN RACE OF EARTH, OF FLESH, AND MORTALS?
WHO IS OUR HUMAN FATHER AND GOD MR. Gene? and
RIGHT NOW IS IN HEAVEN AS OUR FATHER IN FLESH AS MUCH AS IN SPIRIT? READ;
John 17: 10 And all my things (HUMAN IN FLESH)are thine, and thine (GODLY IN SPIRIT)are mine;
and I am glorified in them.
ONE BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH
ONE BOTH GOD AND MANPeace and love in Jesus Christ
December 5, 2021 at 4:36 am#892091GeneBalthropParticipantCarmel……put this together if you can, Paul said…. 1 Cor 3:16……know you not that you “are” the Temple of God , and that the Spirit “OF” GOD dwells “IN” you? The same thing applied to Jesus , or Don’t you believe him when he said we can do Greater works then “He” did, John 14:12….Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believe this on me , the works that I do shall he do also; and “GREATER” works then these shall “HE” do; because I go unto my Father. Now tell us Carmel, if Jesus said he was going to the Father, how does that fit with him being the Father as you believe, and teach him as being.? What I see there is Jesus telling us, we can do “exactly” what he did and even greater works then he did. Do you see it or is there a different understanding of those words then what is written.
You people never stop preaching the Doctrine of the Devil himself, “the DOCTRINE OF “SEPARATION” that constantly try’s to make Jesus appear different then his human brothers and sisters. Carmel if you don’t see Jesus as a real and true “human being” who is And was not a God , but a Son of God “exactly ” as we are, WHO ALSO HAVE THE SPIRIT OF GOD IN US are , then you simple don’t see, nor understand, his REAL mission on this earth IMO.
Peace and love to you and yours Carmel………gene
December 5, 2021 at 11:25 am#892101BereanParticipantVICARIUS FILII DEI
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