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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 10 2010,00:24) To all……Back to the thread……….> the word I am has nothing to do with the word Lucifier at all. The word Lucifer means rising star as the king of Babylon was before God cut him down, It has nothing to do with an elusive (BEING) called a devil,or a Satan. Pure apostate teachings. There is (NO) devil or Satan (BEING) GOING AROUND JUMPING IN AND OUT OF people, we are the only adversaries on this earth of GOD, man is the only Satan there exists on this earth. Man is the( prince) of the powers of the air (which transfers words ) and rules in high places in the kingdoms of this earth, not some elusive being of some kind but man himself is the adversary or Satan of GOD. Jodi has rightly posted this, go back and reread it and think about what she said.IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
I am bringing this up for Mike…..IreneTo All…….There exist no such thing as a LUCIFER “SATAN” Being going around jumping in and out of People. Human n being are the Adversaries (SATAN) OF God and GOD is a Adversary to them also. Satan is a MIND set by all who oppose GOD they are his adversaries, not some elusive (BEING) of some kind , But the SPIRIT (intellect) Of a adversary of GOD and Yes Peter was a SATAN to Jesus as well as the Pharisees and Judas also. These were no elusive beings controlling them but real humans themselves with a adversarial Spirit (intellect) (IN) themselves. NO MYSTERY RELIGION ABOUT IT. Just sound understanding is needed. IMO
peace and love…………………………………….gene
Satan: The Hebrew word for Satan is “Satan”: An opposer, An opposite, The accuser!
Gene you are right on target! If a man goes out today and preaches the truth of the Gospel the greatest opposition he will receive will be from the religious leaders. The first people to point a finger at you and call you a liar when telling the truth, is preachers. The lies/devil/deceivers will come from the highest religious orders/principalities and rulers of the darkness of this world. Preachers with wicked/destructive words/spirits in high places or positions in the so called churches. Lies, deceptions, darkness unto death! Just listen to their prophesies for the future. Guard your hearts people. You will know the Gospel as it comes to you because it feels good/right! IMO, TK
Tim ……….Right on i have said many times before , if Jesus were here today the same thing would happen to him as when he was alive before and it would be the false “religious Christians” people who would resist him and kill him just as before. Especially when he rejects them for their false teachings and belief about him. There is already this idea of a false Christ coming and setting up a kingdom on earth that is being preached already, so when he comes and rebukes these false teachers they will accuse him of bing this false Christ, because he will be a Physical Person instead of a invisible spirit “bodied” person. But thanks be to GOD , he will come with Great Authority and POWER and devourer the adversaries (SATANS) of GOD. IMO
peace and love to you and yours Tim…………………………………….gene
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 10 2011,21:48) Satan: The Hebrew word for Satan is “Satan”: An opposer, An opposite, The accuser! Gene you are right on target! If a man goes out today and preaches the truth of the Gospel the greatest opposition he will receive will be from the religious leaders. The first people to point a finger at you and call you a liar when telling the truth, is preachers. The lies/devil/deceivers will come from the highest religious orders/principalities and rulers of the darkness of this world. Preachers with wicked/destructive words/spirits in high places or positions in the so called churches. Lies, deceptions, darkness unto death! Just listen to their prophesies for the future. Guard your hearts people. You will know the Gospel as it comes to you because it feels good/right! IMO, TK
To All!
Isa 14:12 ¶ How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Job 1:6 ¶ Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
Mat 4:1 ¶ Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
Mat 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Mat 4:5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,Mat 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in [their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Mat 4:11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
Mar 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
Mar 3:23 And he called them [unto him], and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
Luk 10:17 ¶ And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luk 22:31 ¶ And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired [to have] you, that he may sift [you] as wheat:
Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back [part] of the price of the land?
1Cr 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
2Cr 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.2Cr 11:13 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.
Rev 2:13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, [even] where Satan's seat [is]: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas [was] my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
Rev 20:7 ¶ And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
These are a lot of Scriptures that talk about Satan, who was a beautiful Angel Lucifer…I find it dangerous to ignore that he exists……Even Jesus acknowledges him, and so do I……Demons are all around us…. Coming out of the Cayholic church, I have had a personal experience with that kind of Spirit….Be aware….Peace Irene
Irene ……….It was not an invisible being of any kind that tried to Kill Jesus it was Human Beings and they themselves were the SATANS, Just as Jesus called them , Peter acted as a Satan, the pharisees were call childern of Satan and Judas was called a devil why can't you understand that , why try to make it all a MYSTERY RELIGIOUS Ideology of some spook going around jumping in and out of people, is it because you are fearful because you have bought into the lies fostered by false religions. The word ADVERSARY or SATAN is personified in scripture Just like the Word Wisdom is also, but as wisdom is not a she person neither is and Adversary a Person, it is an spiritual (ATRIBUTE) a person can have, any person can have it, even GOD Can be a Adversary (Satan). if he so choses to as in the case of Job. Satan and Wisdom are personified because they are two of the Seven Spirit (ATTRIBUTES OF GOD). WE all have these attributes in us and they can influence us at any time. When Jesus was in the wilderness it was not another Being hes was resisting but his Own Human Nature he was putting to death , he in a sense conquered himself in the wilderness, by putting his WILL to DEATH in obedience to GOD the Father's WILL> It was his own life and desires he was letting go of in the wilderness . “WHOSOEVER WILL SAVE HIS LIFE WILL LOOSE IT , BUT WILL LOSE HIS LIFE FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD SAKE SHALL SAVE IT> Jesus let (HIS) life go in the wilderness that was his great test. After he accomplished that , then, he was sent out into the world to preach the kingdom of God, but he had to Master his own situation first, and he did in the wilderness, there he put his own will to death gave up HIS Life in obedience to GOD'S WILL> IMO
peace and love……………………………….gene
Hi Gene,
Who was tempting Jesus in the wilderness when no-one else was around?
Are you telling us: Jesus (according to Gene) was his own satan? (Luke 4:1-14)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEDJ…….Yes Jesus was his own Satan just as you and I are and we must also overcome ourselves Just as He did also. EDJ Satan is not a person Satan (adversary) is an attitude of attribute that all humans beings have. As God said to Cain “Sin Lies at you door” (heart) “and you must (Master) It”. This is what Jesus MASTERED it was the same sin that was in His heart what he put to death in the wilderness. We all have this (IN) Us and so did Jesus our brother. EdJ, i know this is hard for some to understand especially if you believe he is the Lucifer BEING of some kind, But remember many things in scripture are (Personified) when in fact they are not a real person. I believe you are able to understand this brother. Think about it.
peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene
Hi Gene,
I do understand what you are saying.
And to some degree, you are correct.But you are missing something in your formula.
God did not create us to be in rebellion to him.
How did this ‘rebellion’ start in the first place?
In other words, what caused this ‘rebellion’?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Baker @ Mar. 08 2011,03:17) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 10 2010,00:24) To all……Back to the thread……….> the word I am has nothing to do with the word Lucifier at all. The word Lucifer means rising star as the king of Babylon was before God cut him down, It has nothing to do with an elusive (BEING) called a devil,or a Satan. Pure apostate teachings. There is (NO) devil or Satan (BEING) GOING AROUND JUMPING IN AND OUT OF people, we are the only adversaries on this earth of GOD, man is the only Satan there exists on this earth. Man is the( prince) of the powers of the air (which transfers words ) and rules in high places in the kingdoms of this earth, not some elusive being of some kind but man himself is the adversary or Satan of GOD. Jodi has rightly posted this, go back and reread it and think about what she said.IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
I am bringing this up for Mike…..Irene
Hi Irene,Here's some of what I posted to Jodi Lee in the other thread:
Hi Jodi,
Who put Job in such misery? Who had his family wiped out? God?
Who matched some of the miracles God performed through Moses? The Pharaoh's “magic practicing priests” made their stick turn into a snake, made frogs appear out of nowhere, etc.
Who were these “unclean spirits” that Jesus expelled from many people? And how did they know he was the Son of God when many humans were unclear about that? Who was Legion that went into the pigs?
22Then they brought him a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute, and Jesus healed him, so that he could both talk and see. 23All the people were astonished and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”
24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebub, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”25Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? 27And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Who is Beelzebub? Whoever he is, Jesus thinks he is the same as Satan, and he is called the “prince of the demons”.
Just some thoughts,
mikeAlso add this scripture to those points:
Revelation 12:9
The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.Hey Irene, I don't know if I have time for this thread. But I'll try to check in on it.
You seem to have things under control here anyway! 
Gene will just be Gene. Give him any unscriptural dogma that some idiot has come up with, and he'll be sure to jump on it and support it.
“Satan isn't real”…………….come on! Get out of here with that nonsense Gene.
mike
Excellent Post Mike,
Good Job!!! You nailed it down perfectly;
the parts that Gene has missing from his formula!Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgMike…………You say GOD did not bring this on Job right.
Job……42:11….> Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been acquanted before, and did eat bread with him in his house: (now notice if you can Mike). “and they benoaned him, and comforted him over ALL THE EIVIL THE (LORD HAD BROUGHT UPON HIM”……….
So Mike who did all this evil to Job was it GOD or your so called elusive unseen spook named Satan or Lucifer. Fact is it was an EVIL SPIRIT (an advaserial “SPIRIT” SENT OUT FROM GOD that brought all the EVIL ON JOB.
I noticed also you only show YOUR response to JODI but not what She has Said, another one of you ploys to divert truth from what others say . IMO
gene
EdJ……….I don't think i am missing anything in my so called “formula”. Fact is there are SEVEN Spirit (intellects) of ONE GOD and one of these is the Spirit (intellect) of an Adversary. Man has these spirits in him also and can be an adversary to, as in the case of Peter and Judas and the Pharisees. It was not some invisible spook (BEING) doing any of it it was their own Adversarial Spirit (intellects) causing them to resit Jesus and GOD the FATHER> and Yes GOD himself can be an adversary to anyone just as he was in the case of Job. GOD uses all seven of his spirit attributes to draw his conclusions and then executes his decisions on all creation. He has in the past and present and will in the future. Scripture PERSONIFIES (Adversarial Spirits) just like it does the Spirit of Wisdom , same thing. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………………….gene
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 10 2011,22:25) Excellent Post Mike, Good Job!!! You nailed it down perfectly;
the parts that Gene has missing from his formula!Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 11 2011,08:30) Please answer the question HONESTLY:
Is it a COMPLETE GRAMMATICAL IMPOSSIBILITY FOR THE GREEK WORDS IN 1:1c TO BE TRANSLATED AS “a god”?
Gene,I bumped these for Jodi Lee, but she never responded.
Just answer to this scripture, and that should be that:
Revelation 12:9
The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.Gene, are angels “real”? If the angels who were hurled down to the earth with Satan are “real”, then why would you assume that Satan is not?
I've seen your “cream of the crop” post about Jesus calling Peter “Satan”. Come on man. If you post something about numbers proving God is real, and I say, “Whatever Ed” to YOU, it is not proof that Ed does not exist, is it?
mike
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 11 2011,08:30) (now notice if you can Mike). “and they benoaned him, and comforted him over ALL THE EIVIL THE (LORD HAD BROUGHT UPON HIM”……….
Hi Gene,We know from scripture that Jehovah can neither be tested with evil, nor will He test anyone with evil.
We could, however, understand the Hebrew in 42:11 to refer to the trouble Jehovah had ALLOWED to be brought on Job.
Either way though, if you think Jehovah was having conversations with Himself in the first chapter of Job, then maybe you've been having too many conversations with YOURSELF.
mike
Mike …………. YOU say God can't be tested with EVIL post the scriptures or are you confusing up scriptures again, that says God can not be “TEMPTED” with EVIL as meaning GOD can't be “TESTED” With Evil. The word TEST means to (PROVE) Not TEMPT as you assume. And Yes GOD does Challenge us to Prove Him . Try reading
Malachi. 3:10 …> Bring you all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meant in mine house, and (PROVE) i.e (TEST) me now herewith, saith the LORD of Hosts, it i will not open the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to recieve.
And another thing it is not Hebrews 42:12 that say that but JOB 42:12 that does.
Mike you really only make yourself look stupid when you make you stupid remarks like you do. Why do you and some others here have to used personal insults when you post?. Is that to just cover up you own ignorance and try to make people think you know what you are talking about when in fact you have no idea what you are talking about. And don't use this “WE” thing as if you represent anyone other then yourself here. When you make stupid asinine remakes like that. IMO
gene
Gene, Gene, Gene,
First, you explain my “flaw” in saying God cannot be tempted with evil, and then prove He can be tested WITH EVIL by posting a scripture where people are bringing in tithes. What's so EVIL about that?
And what part of that scripture shows God TEMPTING someone with evil?Anyway, here's the scripture that I was referring to:
James 1:13
When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed.But you probably don't read this scripture much or agree with it, for it speaks of us having our own free will.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 12 2011,11:44)
And another thing it is not Hebrews 42:12 that say that but JOB 42:12 that does. Mike you really only make yourself look stupid when you make you stupid remarks like you do.
Does that “stupid” comment fly both ways? Because THIS is what I actually said:We could, however, understand the Hebrew in 42:11 to refer to the trouble Jehovah had ALLOWED to be brought on Job.
Okay Gene, enough blather…………answer to this:
Revelation 12:9
The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.Gene, are angels “real”? If the angels who were hurled down to the earth with Satan are “real”, then why would you assume that Satan is not?
mike
Mike.,Mike , Mike………Your still screwed up in the meaning of the words TESTED and PROVED mixing them up with the word TEMPTED. Tested and Proved are similar in meaning. While TEMPTED has a completely different meaning, temping means to entice. While Test and Prove is a process of obtaining PROOF as when we TEST Childern to PROVE what they Know. If you care to reread what i posted I was saying YOU were saying that, not me. I was just asking you if you were getting Tempted with Evil mixed up with God can't be tested with Evil, that had nothing to do with me saying that i was just asking you a question if YOU were getting them mixed UP not Me.
Mike……….As to you Angels in revelations that word is just as easily used as MESSENGERS< and some commentaries even say it means people and rulers of this earth who are being controlled by the spirit (intellect) of an adversary. Mike you really need to go a read what Jodi has posted about satan and think about it more. IMO
peace and love……………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 16 2011,09:37) Mike……….As to you Angels in revelations that word is just as easily used as MESSENGERS< and some commentaries even say it means people and rulers of this earth who are being controlled by the spirit (intellect) of an adversary. Mike you really need to go a read what Jodi has posted about satan and think about it more. IMO
What Jodi posts about Satan is as unscriptural as what you post about him. Why would I want to study from someone who doesn't teach scriptural things?And you go ahead and stick with your understanding that “people and rulers of this earth” were HURLED TO THE EARTH.
Good bye, Gene.
mike
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