‘i am’ is lucifer’s ‘title’

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 05 2011,07:24)

Mike……….. So let us know what this “SNAKE” You call Satan looks like , is he a cobra , a python , a coral, a rattle snake or what kind of SNAKE or SERPENT should we be look for so we can identify this LITERAL SNAKE of YOUR.

Your ask did EVE have a conversation with a REAL SNAKE or with Her self? Answer, Yes that is what we call “thinking” it and aspect of the Human Mind. That is where evil or good thoughts comes from. That propensity for Her and Adam to think that way was part of there creation. So the adversarial Spirit intellect was already in them . The problem Genesis is written in a Symbolic and Metaphoric language and requires Spiritual discernment, we can not take everything written in genesis Literally Mike, but understand the symbolic language used there. IMO

peace and love………………………………………gene

Okay Gene,

It doesn't matter if we are told what “kind” of “snake” Satan was in the Garden of Eden any more than it matters that we don't know the “color” of the sheep sacrificed in Exodus. If it says they sacrificed sheep, should we then just disbelieve those scriptures because we don't know if they were black sheep or white sheep?

And I have taken note of your assertion that Eve was “talking to herself” and the serpent was “symbolic language”. Let's see if that holds up throughout scripture, okay?

13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”

The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,

“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.

Does you assertion remain that the woman blamed her own “adversarial spirit inside of her” for her actions, but for some odd reason called them a “serpent”? And then God SAID TO her own “adversarial spirit inside of her” that it would crawl on its belly and eat dust?

mike

April 7, 2011 at 2:50 am#242328

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Mike………. Not necessarily inside Her but with Her it could have been Adam Himself as far as that goes. So if this serpent had life and if he or she or IT is still alive them please tell where He or She or IT is and what he or She or IT looks like and what Kind of serpent he or She or IT is, God said he or She or It would crawl on IT'S belly and eat dust all IT'S life, right, So which creature or created (BEING) eats dust and crawls on IT'S belly all the days of IT'S life . Have you seen IT lately Mike?> Lets be Honest Mike you can't answer any of these questions now can you.

MIKE…….Have you ever thought that all the SEVEN Spirits of GOD were present at the creation. And one of them was the Spirit of and adversary. Because it is Spirit that passes on Intellect , This Spirit intellect could have passed on IT”S influencing thoughts to Her. Genesis is a written with much symbolic and Metaphoric language, It can not be completely taken LITERALLY as you seem to do. Go back and reread what Jodi posted and think about it. IMO

peace and love……………………………….gene

April 10, 2011 at 4:49 pm#242779

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 06 2011,20:50)

Mike………. Not necessarily inside Her but with Her it could have been Adam Himself as far as that goes.

So when God handed down judgements for THREE, two of those were really for Adam?

14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this…………

16 To the woman he said…………….

17 To Adam he said…………….

See Gene? God judged THREE in the Garden, not TWO. If we know Adam was one and Eve was another, then who is the third one?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 06 2011,20:50)

So if this serpent had life and if he or she or IT is still alive them please tell where He or She or IT is and what he or She or IT looks like and what Kind of serpent he or She or IT is,

The Gospels, Epistles and Revelation all tell us what HE has been up to, what HE will be up to, and what punishment HE will receive. So please stop with this kindergarten mentality point you keep posting and address the issues as they arise, okay? You are like a little kid yelling over and over, “Hey Mike, you can't SEE God or tell me what He LOOKS LIKE, so therefore God can't possibly exist!”

Gene, can't you see how this “you don't know what he looks like” argument is lame? I don't know what anyone mentioned in the Bible looks like……………does that mean none of them ever existed?

Please just answer who God DIRECTLY spoke to in Gen 3:14.

mike

April 11, 2011 at 5:27 am#242814

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Mike……….Tell me this one thing first do you believe there was a LITERAL TREE producing good and evil in the garden. I know what a tree looks like so am i to expect the tree of life to look like a real tree to or the tree of the knowledge to look like a real tree also , or am i to see its “spiritual ” metaphoric language us in Genesis. And do you believe Wisdom is a real She as scripture describes it as. Look Mike Satan or adversary is simple a mind set that is in opposition to someone or somethings. it is Not a Person it is what is (IN) a Person. It is Spirit and as i have said man y times a Spirit is not a person it is what is (IN) a person. This also applies to the word Satan or Adversary. If you apply this you will find it can fit all scripture said about a Satan . IMO

peace and love……………………………………..gene

April 14, 2011 at 3:29 am#243101

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Yes Gene,

I have no scriptural reason whatsoever to think the Tree of Knowledge was not a real tree. After all, the people who ate OF this Tree were real people, right?

Now, your turn. Who was the THIRD one that God cursed in the Garden?

mike

April 14, 2011 at 1:03 pm#243146

Tim Kraft

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Mike: God cursed the serpent but the woman or the man were not cursed. God said cursed is the ground because of you or what you accepted. The earth was mans from the beginning. Adam brought evil/the curse on the land when he accepted evil as his truth. IMO,TK

April 14, 2011 at 1:31 pm#243150

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Mike………..I believe like Jodi said it could well be that Adam himself decieved Eve into taking to themselves to decide what was good and evil themselves, it may be by the fact that this nature was part of the very creation of man this Adversarial Spirit could have been present in them both all along and is present in all mankind Now. I believe this propensity is in all of Us rather Peter , Judas, or the Pharisees and we must Master it , buy the Spirit of GOD Just as Jesus did also. IMO

peace and love to you and yours…………………………………..gene

April 14, 2011 at 7:39 pm#243178

Baker

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Quote (Tim Kraft @ April 15 2011,00:03)

Tim! The serpent was Satan, that's why it was cursed, to crawl on its belly all the day of its life. Eve was cursed to bear children in pain. man was cursed to die…. Now if Jesus would not have come to save us, we would stay dead…..that's what…
Also go on the Song to Praise God, thehappyman put some real nice poem and lyrics from Songs up….You will enjoy them….for the lighter part on HN…
Peace and Love Irene

April 15, 2011 at 4:41 am#243233

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Quote (Tim Kraft @ April 14 2011,07:03)

Hi Tim,

You are correct. I originally said “judged”. I don't know what made me write “cursed” the next time.

Are you listening Gene? I don't really care what Jodi said “could well be”. I've asked you a direct question and have answered yours “first”, as you requested. Now please answer mine:

Gene, God judged THREE in the Garden, not TWO. If we know Adam was one and Eve was another, then who was the third one?

mike

April 21, 2011 at 5:56 am#243914

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Mike…………The third was the Adversarial Spirit working in them both. That was the same spirit that was working in PETER, Judas < and the Pharisees, or don't you truly believe the Pharisees were the childern of the Adversary (devil or satans) as Jesus said they were. So now Mike in what way were they His childern . Did a Satan "BEING" go have sex with their mothers and produce Satan Childern MIKE. Or was Jesus speaking something else on a Higher spiritual plain Mike. NOW Which was it Mike? Mike the whole world is full of Satan or devils (Adversaries) of GOD, that is the Nature of nearly all mankind. The devils in this world are human being not some Mystery Satanic "BEINGS" going around jumping in and out of People as you presume Mike. It is human carnal nature that is what is evil on this earth MIKE. IMO

peace and love……………………………..gene

April 24, 2011 at 1:46 am#244238

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 20 2011,23:56)

Mike…………The third was the Adversarial Spirit working in them both.

And this spirit was referred to as a “serpent”?

God cursed this “adversarial spirit” as a separate entity from Adam and Eve, right? Do you think this “adversarial spirit” is a separate entity Gene?

mike

April 24, 2011 at 3:30 pm#244285

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Mike………No i don't I think it s an aspect of all our Natures that we must overcome as Jesus did. It is a created Spirit of GOD , that abides in all creation. You use it all the time and so does everyone else also, it can save our lives as much as destory it. If this adversarial Spirit (INTELLECT) is working against GOD it can destory us , if it is working against the way of carnal flesh it can save us. Mike anyone can be a Satan or Devil by being against Jesus and GOD the Father. It is just that simple, don't look out side of yourself for him or (IT) look to the inside of yourself and You will find (IT) there and you must MASTER IT, as Jesus did> IMO

Mike you still have not told us what this “SERPENT” of Yours looks like, when have you or anyone else here seen him?.

peace and love…………………………………..gene

April 24, 2011 at 5:40 pm#244299

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 24 2011,09:30)

Mike you still have not told us what this “SERPENT” of Yours looks like, when have you or anyone else here seen him?.

Gene, I have answered this point. I don't know what he looks like because he can even masquerade as an angle of light if he wants.

But I also don't know what God looks like, and so us knowing what someone looks like is not necessary for the existence of that someone…………..agreed?

I think we are done with this discussion anyway. You don't think this “adversarial spirit” is an individual entity, yet God cursed someone in the Garden of Eden. And the one God cursed was an individual entity that was neither Adam nor Eve.

mike

May 30, 2012 at 11:19 pm#300163

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Hi Ed
You say
“‘i am’ is Lucifer’s ‘title’, systems of religion says otherwise

Here are some starting verses, to get this discussion going.
1Tm.1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom i am chief.

Job 40:1-5 Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said,
Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him?
he that reproveth God, let him answer it. Then Job answered
the LORD, and said, Behold, i am vile; what shall I answer
thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth. Once have I spoken;
but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further.”

What nonsense.
You pluck some words from the bible and declare they have a sinister meaning.

Gnostic speculation?

May 30, 2012 at 11:43 pm#300167

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Hi GB,
You say
“………No i don't I think it s an aspect of all our Natures that we must overcome as Jesus did. It is a created Spirit of GOD , that abides in all creation. You use it all the time and so does everyone else also, it can save our lives as much as destory it. If this adversarial Spirit (INTELLECT) is working against GOD it can destory us , if it is working against the way of carnal flesh it can save us.”

This is not scriptural.
it is new teaching so gnostic probably

May 30, 2012 at 11:59 pm#300169

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Hi ED,
You say
'2Thess.2:1-4 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together
unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as
from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not
come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who
opposeth and exalteth himself above (YHVH=63) all that is “called God”=63, or that is worshipped;
so that he as (i am)God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he(Lucifer) is God.

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)

There is some doubt that God is behind your wild ideas.

Adding LUCIFER to the scripture above is not of God

May 31, 2012 at 11:02 am#300229

Wakeup

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Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2010,08:57)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2010,07:55)

Hi ED,
How often does LUCIFER occur in the bible?
Once?

Hi Nick,

Lucifer (meaning morning star) is referenced in many places in the bible,
2 times as morning star (which is the definition of Lucifer's name), 4 times as leviathan,
36 times as dragon, 49 times as serpent, 51 times as Satan(meaning accuser) and 104 times as devil!

Luke's name 'only' occurs twice by name and Clement' name
only occurs once in the bible so what's your point?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDj.

Lucifer does not mean morning star,for jesus called himself the bright and morning star.rev.22:16.

Lucifer means light bearer.

wakeup.

May 31, 2012 at 6:35 pm#300245

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Hi Ed,
You say

“Lucifer (meaning morning star) is referenced in many places in the bible,
2 times as morning star (which is the definition of Lucifer's name), 4 times as leviathan,
36 times as dragon, 49 times as serpent, 51 times as Satan(meaning accuser) and 104 times as devil! “

Jesus Christ is twice shown as the morning star so that theory fails.

Satan is shown as the devil, the serpent of old, the dragon in rev 12.9 and witnessed in rev 20.2.

The other connections are of your imagination and just opinion.

May 31, 2012 at 8:55 pm#300252