The Wicked will be destroyed

Destruction of the wicked

Scripture says that Hell is thrown into the Lake of Fire. The same fire that destroys the ungodly is the fire that burns the heavens and earth.

2 Peter 3:7
By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

And then this promise is given:

But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

So the wicked will perish and we see that this fire is so consuming that it also destroys the elements.

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare

But then after everything is destroyed in this way, God creates a new Heavens and Earth where righteousness and the righteous dwell.

Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming.b That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

But then some argue that the human soul cannot be destroyed because he made man as an eternal creature. Thus his soul cannot be destroyed and this fire and will instead, perpetually burn and the soul of a wicked man will suffer the flame for all eternity. But scripture teaches differently to this idea of eternal suffering in Hell. Besides contradicting what we just read about the destruction of the ungodly in the above verses, it is clear from this verse that everything is destroyed and a new creation comes into being. However, even more condemning for the ‘eternal soul’ view is the following scripture. It clearly shows that God in his mercy spared man the fate of living forever because of his sin.

And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

Clearly God the merciful stopped man from eating the tree of life after he sinned, thus sparing him from living forever. Besides merciful act by God, surely you can see that God is able to destroy a man’s soul and that he will indeed do this very thing. This is all written. We either accept it or doubt the scriptures that clearly show this.

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Do you believe now, that God can and will destroy the wicked forever? Do you believe that he spared the wicked from existing for all eternity? You should believe that if you believe the scriptures.

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  • #795474
    NickHassan
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    Hi T8,

    Does God divide the living and the dead in Christ?

    Are there divisions again such as there was between jew and gentile?

    Do those who were dead in Christ have an advantage over those who were yet alive.

     

    Would not their joy be the same?

    #795475
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    So you say there is no resurrection??

    Paul would lose heart at such a claim.

    #795477
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Read my post again. It does not in any way deny the joy of meeting the Lord when we die whether that is through death or being alive at the end.

    It also does not in any way deny the Day of the Lord.

    What it questions is the statement, that the dead in Christ are not with Christ.

    The ‘Dead in Christ’ if it were a descriptive would mean that they are dead and in Christ right?

    In other words, sounds very similar to: ‘to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord’.

    And if the dead in Christ are in Christ, then where is Christ now?

    #795486
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    If you are not now in fellowship with the Spirit of Christ you are none of his.

    Meeting him clad in new bodies is another level of contact.

    He is in heaven but he meets us in the air

    #795621
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    And the Dead in Christ rise first, then we who are alive will meet them along with our Lord in the air.

    #795629
    kerwin
    Participant

    t8,
    You are misquoting the verse.

    If you look at 1 Thessalonians 3:16-17 then you will see the dead will rise from the grave and then together with those that had not died they would meet Jesus and his saints in the air as they descended.

    Paul is speaking of the first resurrection and the gathering together of the saints at the beginning of the Messianic Age. Air travel at its best.

    #795630
    kerwin
    Participant

    t8,

    The resurrection of the dead and then their ascension with those whose flesh God preserved in order to meet the Lord of both groups in person reveals the dead were not among the holy ones that descended with him. In other words they were no more with him than the living. When both groups meet him then they are with him.

    It sounds smother translating the verse this way but I do not know how the translators of this version obtained the word “this” out of the definite article. It may be something I do not know about Koine Greek but I do know it is a minority choice.

    2 Corinthians 5:8

    International Standard Version
    We are confident, then, and would prefer to be away from this body and to live with the Lord.

    If he is correct then “this body” is referring to the mortal body and Paul is not teaching the Christians was to be dead in order to be with God but rather they want their new body in order to be closer to God.

    Note: The title “the Lord: may instead refer to Jesus.

    #795682
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    the dead in Christ will rise first.

    How much earlier do they rise first? By a second? A minute? A day? or what Kerwin?

    #799404
    carmel
    Participant

     

    a part or portion of a larger amount which is divided among a number of people, or to which a number of people contribute.

    So what actually Christ’s spirit OBVIOUS, Jesus when he was like all his brethren on earth did, obtained, and achieved, in order to have a share of all what he DID,OBTAINED AND ACHIEVED?”

    Can you please explain what this means.

    Nick,
    I misswrote, so Read again please:

    SHARE means to have a part or portion of a larger amount which is divided among a number of people, or to which a number of people contribute.

    So what actually Christ’s spirit OBVIOUS, Jesus when he was like all his brethren on earth,

    did, obtained, and achieved,

    in order FOR US

    to have a SHARE of all what he

    DID,OBTAINED AND ACHIEVED?”

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #799408
    kerwin
    Participant

    Carmel,

    Jesus is still like his brothers as it is necessary to minister his position as High Priest.

    #799409
    kerwin
    Participant

    t8,

    The change occurs with both the dead and the living at the same time. When the bodies of the dead change from mortal to immortal they can no longer remain dead. It happens in a twinkling of an eye and the both the living and the dead ascend to meet Jesus Christ and the holy ones as they descend to start the Messianic Age.

    That seems the story from some passages of Scripture but others seem to imply there is death and dying during the Messianic Age.

    Is it that second idea you are going by?

    #799415
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    We are changed

    The immortal is put on the mortal.

    They are not the same old battered natural bodies we die in.

     

    #799680
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Does God divide the living and the dead in Christ?

    The change occurs with both the dead and the living at the same time.

    …the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air…

    The dead rise first.

    #810943
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hell: You’ve Got it All Wrong!

    #810946
    kerwin
    Participant

    t8,

    What is the point you gleaned from the video?

    #810957
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    The notion that God burns alive sinners for all eternity is an incorrect teaching.

    #810962
    kerwin
    Participant

    t8,

    I cannot say whether it is or not since there is competing passages of Scripture. I favor the idea that for an age and age there is suffering in Gehenna but at the end of that the wicked are destroyed. Each of the age’s is an indeterminate amount of time. It is a Jewish belief that is supported by the relevant passages.

    In any case God is a just and merciful God and if he chose to have someone suffer for eternity then there is a reason for it. I cannot see such a reason but my vision is limited.

    #811578
    alex
    Participant

    If we are created in God’s image and were restored by His Spirit on Pentecost, and still do not grasp, understand, comprehend, imagine or reason, etc, how or why The Loving Lord Jesus would or could want to “torment” anything or everything, beast or man, forever, then perhaps there’s been some true meanings lost in the translations over thousands  of the years.  Him keeping Adam and us away from the “tree of Life”  in the garden by angels to disallow our soul to “… live forever”(Gen 3.22-24)  tells me that the soul will not go on forever except by being “…born again…” by The Holy Spirit that raised Emmanuel, the Lamb of God, the “Last Adam” from the grave. Ro 8.11. He did that FOR Adam and his race so that He could come and SAVE Adam’s race.

    #811579
    alex
    Participant

    Had Adam and Eve eaten from the tree of Life in the sinful state they were in, THEN that soul would have lived in that death state forever and would not have been able to die or be destroyed or perish or been even able or have or see the need or desire to repent.  God only know what the end would have been.  Thank Him for those Cherubims He saw fit for His purposes to place there.  Thanks for your comments.

    #811586
    Miia
    Participant

    Yes. It makes one wonder..

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