Was Jesus begotten or created?

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October 18, 2023 at 3:43 am#945312
GeneBalthrop
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Carmel……Yes one in agreement, by the SPIRIT OF GOD that dwelt in him, the exact same SPIRIT that can also dwell in us , or haven’t you ever read,…..” but if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwell “IN” you, He who raised Christ from the dead shall “ALSO” quicken your mortal bodies, by the Spirit (same spirit) that dwells in you”.
Those who have in them that same spirit of God, Jesus had in him , Will receive that exact same resurrection Jesus did and will be Joint heirs with him in all things. Jesus is simply the First to have received it, but diffidently not the last one to, just as it says, …..>Christ the first-fruit, of “MANY “, BRETHREN”.
YOUR FALSE TEACHINGS, isolates Jesus and put him in a class all by himself and alone, separating him from the rest of us, his brothers and sisters.
peace and love to you and yours Carmel………gene
October 18, 2023 at 5:53 am#945315
Jodi
Participant
Hi Berean,
YOU: I simply don’t believe in your circumvention of holy scripture.
The fact that you turn your neck on the simple statements of John 1 puts a brake on the pursuit of interesting exchanges.
ME: Berean, first of all, don’t pretend that I have not posted in length to the passages you interpret out of context to support your doctrine. What has been going on as of late, is that I have been trying to hold you accountable to the content of a certain post, but it is you that has been circumventing. You could not be more hypocritical and deceiving to members on this forum that might not know the history of our exchanges.
YOU: Jesus is divine/human, and when he was on earth he acted as a human should act, which means that he renounced using his divinity for his own benefit.
ME: Your above statement is quite twisted and doesn’t even make any sense.
Luke 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Spirit returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness…14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all..17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. 22 And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Berean, John 1 speaks to the very same thing as Luke in Chapter 4, I’d like to see you attempt to explain that it does not using Luke 4 in your explanation, if you do not then you are circumventing.
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Jesus gives all credit to God, acknowledging that he can do nothing of himself, it is God’s Spirit living in him, where Jesus also makes sure to let us know that all he is doing is according to God’s will, not his own.
Jesus had quoted Isaiah 61 in Luke 4, but Isaiah 42 also speaks to that of a man having God’s Spirit come to abode in him, which John refers to as him being begotten of God’s Spirit. We read in verse 6, “I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
The above is exactly why John would refer to Jesus as God’s only begotten and reference that this was the glory the people beheld.
Jesus acted as a human who had God holding his hand and keeping him from failing to fulfill God’s will. Jesus through being born of the Spirit and thus called to righteousness was then sent to do God’s work in God’s name, such made him the light of God. Why we read in John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
The “me” who has been sent is directly according to God’s WORD which Jesus himself quoted, a man who had God’s Spirit come to abode in him, an anointing for the purpose to be sent out to fulfill God’s will. We read in Isaiah 46 that such was declared by God from the beginning a man who would execute God’s purpose, the purpose to which God had created all things, doing so by Himself, in the first place.
Jesus said in John chapter 12 that he came a light into the world and John in chapter 1 also speaks to this light, which is exactly the light of God’s WORD spoken by the prophet Isaiah in chapter 42 and 49. This light is that of a man executing God’s will God declared from the beginning.
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it. 12 Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness: 13 I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.
Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
The WORD from the beginning was God bringing forth righteousness and salvation unto all the earth through His Spirit aboding in a man. The WORD from the beginning is of a man being made into the firstfruits of God’s Spirit executing God’s purpose where God would be ALL IN ALL.
John in chapter 1
speaks to this WORD,
speaks to this MAN that was in the Word from the beginning,
speaks to him being the light of God’s WORD,
speaks to him being born of the Spirit according to God’s WORD,
speaks to him being the Messiah according to God’s WORD,
AND the chapter ends with Philip recognizing him as the man of God’s WORD according to the prophets
AND with Nathan believing in Jesus as the promised Son and king of God’s WORD, which is according to 1 Chronicles 17, a Son of Man (son of David) God promises to make him into His own Son, settle him into His House and Kingdom forever and give him an eternal throne.
We also read Jesus declare that his kingship and kingdom was prepared by God since the foundation of the world! We also read, “Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;”
This is exactly why John in chapter 1 says that by reason of him (a man of God’s WORD from the beginning called by God to execute God’s purpose) all things were made, without him nothing would be made that was made.
October 18, 2023 at 5:53 am#945316
Jodi
Participant
Hi Berean,
YOU: I simply don’t believe in your circumvention of holy scripture.
The fact that you turn your neck on the simple statements of John 1 puts a brake on the pursuit of interesting exchanges.
ME: Berean, first of all, don’t pretend that I have not posted in length to the passages you interpret out of context to support your doctrine. What has been going on as of late, is that I have been trying to hold you accountable to the content of a certain post, but it is you that has been circumventing. You could not be more hypocritical and deceiving to members on this forum that might not know the history of our exchanges.
YOU: Jesus is divine/human, and when he was on earth he acted as a human should act, which means that he renounced using his divinity for his own benefit.
ME: Your above statement is quite twisted and doesn’t even make any sense.
Luke 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Spirit returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness…14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all..17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. 22 And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Berean, John 1 speaks to the very same thing as Luke in Chapter 4, I’d like to see you attempt to explain that it does not using Luke 4 in your explanation, if you do not then you are circumventing.
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Jesus gives all credit to God, acknowledging that he can do nothing of himself, it is God’s Spirit living in him, where Jesus also makes sure to let us know that all he is doing is according to God’s will, not his own.
Jesus had quoted Isaiah 61 in Luke 4, but Isaiah 42 also speaks to that of a man having God’s Spirit come to abode in him, which John refers to as him being begotten of God’s Spirit. We read in verse 6, “I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
The above is exactly why John would refer to Jesus as God’s only begotten and reference that this was the glory the people beheld.
Jesus acted as a human who had God holding his hand and keeping him from failing to fulfill God’s will. Jesus through being born of the Spirit and thus called to righteousness was then sent to do God’s work in God’s name, such made him the light of God. Why we read in John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
The “me” who has been sent is directly according to God’s WORD which Jesus himself quoted, a man who had God’s Spirit come to abode in him, an anointing for the purpose to be sent out to fulfill God’s will. We read in Isaiah 46 that such was declared by God from the beginning a man who would execute God’s purpose, the purpose to which God had created all things, doing so by Himself, in the first place.
Jesus said in John chapter 12 that he came a light into the world and John in chapter 1 also speaks to this light, which is exactly the light of God’s WORD spoken by the prophet Isaiah in chapter 42 and 49. This light is that of a man executing God’s will God declared from the beginning.
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it. 12 Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness: 13 I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.
Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
The WORD from the beginning was God bringing forth righteousness and salvation unto all the earth through His Spirit aboding in a man. The WORD from the beginning is of a man being made into the firstfruits of God’s Spirit executing God’s purpose where God would be ALL IN ALL.
John in chapter 1
speaks to this WORD,
speaks to this MAN that was in the Word from the beginning,
speaks to him being the light of God’s WORD,
speaks to him being born of the Spirit according to God’s WORD,
speaks to him being the Messiah according to God’s WORD,
AND the chapter ends with Philip recognizing him as the man of God’s WORD according to the prophets
AND with Nathan believing in Jesus as the promised Son and king of God’s WORD, which is according to 1 Chronicles 17, a Son of Man (son of David) God promises to make him into His own Son, settle him into His House and Kingdom forever and give him an eternal throne.
We also read Jesus declare that his kingship and kingdom was prepared by God since the foundation of the world! We also read, “Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;”
This is exactly why John in chapter 1 says that by reason of him (a man of God’s WORD from the beginning called by God to execute God’s purpose) all things were made, without him nothing would be made that was made.
October 18, 2023 at 5:53 am#945317
Jodi
Participant
Hi Berean,
YOU: I simply don’t believe in your circumvention of holy scripture.
The fact that you turn your neck on the simple statements of John 1 puts a brake on the pursuit of interesting exchanges.
ME: Berean, first of all, don’t pretend that I have not posted in length to the passages you interpret out of context to support your doctrine. What has been going on as of late, is that I have been trying to hold you accountable to the content of a certain post, but it is you that has been circumventing. You could not be more hypocritical and deceiving to members on this forum that might not know the history of our exchanges.
YOU: Jesus is divine/human, and when he was on earth he acted as a human should act, which means that he renounced using his divinity for his own benefit.
ME: Your above statement is quite twisted and doesn’t even make any sense.
Luke 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Spirit returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness…14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all..17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. 22 And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Berean, John 1 speaks to the very same thing as Luke in Chapter 4, I’d like to see you attempt to explain that it does not using Luke 4 in your explanation, if you do not then you are circumventing.
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Jesus gives all credit to God, acknowledging that he can do nothing of himself, it is God’s Spirit living in him, where Jesus also makes sure to let us know that all he is doing is according to God’s will, not his own.
Jesus had quoted Isaiah 61 in Luke 4, but Isaiah 42 also speaks to that of a man having God’s Spirit come to abode in him, which John refers to as him being begotten of God’s Spirit. We read in verse 6, “I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
The above is exactly why John would refer to Jesus as God’s only begotten and reference that this was the glory the people beheld.
Jesus acted as a human who had God holding his hand and keeping him from failing to fulfill God’s will. Jesus through being born of the Spirit and thus called to righteousness was then sent to do God’s work in God’s name, such made him the light of God. Why we read in John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
The “me” who has been sent is directly according to God’s WORD which Jesus himself quoted, a man who had God’s Spirit come to abode in him, an anointing for the purpose to be sent out to fulfill God’s will. We read in Isaiah 46 that such was declared by God from the beginning a man who would execute God’s purpose, the purpose to which God had created all things, doing so by Himself, in the first place.
Jesus said in John chapter 12 that he came a light into the world and John in chapter 1 also speaks to this light, which is exactly the light of God’s WORD spoken by the prophet Isaiah in chapter 42 and 49. This light is that of a man executing God’s will God declared from the beginning.
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it. 12 Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness: 13 I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.
Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
The WORD from the beginning was God bringing forth righteousness and salvation unto all the earth through His Spirit aboding in a man. The WORD from the beginning is of a man being made into the firstfruits of God’s Spirit executing God’s purpose where God would be ALL IN ALL.
John in chapter 1
speaks to this WORD,
speaks to this MAN that was in the Word from the beginning,
speaks to him being the light of God’s WORD,
speaks to him being born of the Spirit according to God’s WORD,
speaks to him being the Messiah according to God’s WORD,
AND the chapter ends with Philip recognizing him as the man of God’s WORD according to the prophets
AND with Nathan believing in Jesus as the promised Son and king of God’s WORD, which is according to 1 Chronicles 17, a Son of Man (son of David) God promises to make him into His own Son, settle him into His House and Kingdom forever and give him an eternal throne.
We also read Jesus declare that his kingship and kingdom was prepared by God since the foundation of the world! We also read, “Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;”
This is exactly why John in chapter 1 says that by reason of him (a man of God’s WORD from the beginning called by God to execute God’s purpose) all things were made, without him nothing would be made that was made.
October 18, 2023 at 6:30 am#945318
Berean
Participant
@Jodi
You
John in chapter 1
speaks to this WORD,
speaks to this MAN that was in the Word from the beginning,
Me
NO, NO AND NO
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made 👉by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

👉By him=one person
Who IN THE BIGINNING was GOD
In thé BIGINNING “the WORD” was not a man but thé SON OF GOD WHO WAS GOD.
🙏

October 18, 2023 at 6:32 am#945319
Berean
Participant
V.14
AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH….
October 18, 2023 at 11:29 am#945323
carmel
Participant
Hi Gene,
You: Carmel……Yes one in agreement, by the SPIRIT OF GOD that dwelt in him, the exact same SPIRIT that can also dwell in us.
Me: Gene,
YOUR SOUL AND YOUR BODY THOUGH ARE TWO ARE ALSO
ONE BEING!
AS SCRIPTURE SAYS
TWO IN ONE FLESH!
WHEN YOU DIE AND YOUR BODY BE IN THE TOMB.
YOUR SOUL BE IN FRONT OF JESUS TO BE JUDGED.
WE SAY GENE IS IN FRONT OF JESUS.
GENE IS BEING JUDGED!
SO ONE GENE BE IN THE TOMB and ONE GENE WOULD BE IN FRON OF JESUS.
BUT STILL THE SAME ONE GENE WHO WAS ON EARTH!
NOW MAN IS CREATED IN THE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF GOD!

John14:7 If you had known me, you would without doubt have known my Father also:
and from henceforth you shall know him,
and you have seen him.
8Philip saith to him: Lord, shew us the Father, and it is enough for us. 9Jesus saith to him:
Have I been so long a time with you; and have you not known me?
Philip, he that seeth me seeth the Father also.
How sayest thou, Shew us the Father?
10 Do you not believe, that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
The words that I speak to you, I speak not of myself.
But the Father who abideth in me, he doth the works.
LIKEWISE: Gene,
THE SOUL WHO ABIDES IN YOU,
SHE DOES THE WORKS!
THE FACT THAT
YOUR SOUL WOULD EVENTUALLY BE IN FRONT OF JESUS TO BE JUDGED! AS THE FLESH WOULD BE ALREADY JUDGED
DEAD IN THE TOMB!

Like I said in my last post to you:

Your pleasure Gene, is always to
DISCREDIT JESUS!
Read again please:
Isaiah 25:5 Thou shalt bring down the tumult of strangers, as heat in thirst: and as with heat under a burning cloud,
thou shalt make the branch of THE MIGHTY to wither away.
6And the Lord of hosts shall make unto all people in this mountain,
a feast of fat things,
a feast of wine,
JESUS’ BLOOD AND HIS REDEMPTION OF HUMANITY ON GOGLGOTHA
of fat things FULL of MARROW,
ALL SOULS! ZION!
of wine PURIFIED from the LEES.
HUMAN BLOOD, ALL SOULS, PURIFIED FROM THE DEAD, SPIRITUALLY DEAD, LOCKED IN SATAN’S DARKNESS AND FIRE HEADQUARTERS.
7And he shall destroy in this mountain the face of the BOND with which ALL PIE were tied, and THE WEB that he had over ALL NATIONS.
JESUS’ DESTRUCTION OF SATAN’S SPIRIT ATTRIBUTED TO THE FLESH AND HIS DOMINION OVER THE HUMAN RACE! Mark 11:14, Luke 11:22 , Luke 17:20-36,
8He shall cast DEATH down headlong forever:
ONLY JESUS WAS THE SOLUTION FOR GOD THE FATHER IN ORDER TO ERADICATE SATAN’S EMPIRE OF DEATH! Hebrews 2:14
NO JESUS NO GOD, NO GOD NO JESUS!
and the Lord God shall wipe away tears from every face, and the reproach of his people he shall take away from off the whole earth:
for the Lord hath spoken it.
THE LORD HAS SPOKEN HIS “WORD” MADE FLESH, JESUS,
THE SON OF MAN!
9 And they shall say in that day:
ON JESUS’ DEATH ON THE CROSS.
Lo, this is OUR GOD, we have waited for him,
JESUS IS GODMAN!
and he will save us: this is the Lord,
we have patiently waited for him,
we shall rejoice and be joyful in his salvation.
10 For the hand of the Lord shall rest in this mountain:
FOR THE HAND OF GOD THE FATHER SHALL RELY IN THIS MOUNTAIN:
JESUS, THE SON OF MAN,
THE MOUNTAIN OF GOD! Ezekiel 28:16
and Moab shall be trodden down under him, as straw is broken in pieces with the wain.
11And he shall stretch forth his hands UNDER HIM,
……UNDER SATAN’S DOMINION.
as he that swimmeth stretcheth forth his hands to swim:
JESUS BEING CRUCIFIED UNDER SATAN’S RULE!
and HE shall bring down his glory with the dashing of his hands.
JESUS DESTROYS SATAN’S GLORY WITH HIS DYNAMIC HANDS!
AS MY POWER IS GLORIFIED IN MY WEAKNESS.
12And the bulwarks of thy high walls shall fall,
and be brought low, and shall be pulled down to the ground, even to the dust.
SATAN’S SPIRIT ATTRIBUTED TO THE HUMAN BODY OF FLESH AND BLOOD ON EVE’S SIN, ONCE AND FOR ALL ERADICATED ON JESUS’ DEATH AND HIS REDEMPTION ON THE CROSS.
John 12:30 Jesus answered, and said: This voice came not because of me,
but for your sakes.
FOR YOUR HUMAN BODY!
JERUSALEM!
31Now is the judgment of the world:
now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
SATAN ERADICATED FROM THE ENTIRE PHYSICAL PROCESS OF CREATION.
32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth,
will draw AL THINGS to myself.
EVEN GODSHIP!
JESUS IS OFFICIALLY IN THE HEAVENLY REALMS PROPRIETOR OF THE ENTIRE PHYSICAL CREATION AND THE FATHER OF IT WITH HIS OWN BLOOD!
John 17:1,2!
Luke 22:19 And taking bread, he gave thanks, and brake; and gave to them, saying:
This is my body, which is given for you.
JESUS HOLDING THE BREAD MANIFESTING THE PHYSICAL CREATION
PURIFIED IN HIS BODY!
THE NEW JERUSALEM!
Do this for a commemoration of me.
20In like manner the chalice also, after he had supped, saying: This is the chalice, the new testament in my blood,
which shall be shed for you.
JESUS HOLDING THE CHALICE FULL OF WINE, mentioned above as
FAT THINGS FULL OF MARROW!
THE CHALICE FULL OF WINE, (spirit) SOULS!
JOHN 2:3………THEY HAVE NO WINE. 4 AND JESUS SAITH TO HER: WOMAN, WHAT IS THAT TO ME AND TO THEE?
my hour is not yet come.
PURIFIED IN JESUS’ BLOOD!
ZION!
IT IS A PITY Gene, THAT
YOU NEVER GOT JESUS MESSAGE PROPERLY AS HE
PROCLAIMED IT!

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

October 19, 2023 at 2:51 am#945329
GeneBalthrop
Participant
Jodi…….Excellent post Sis. You are a proof that no matter how clear something is explained to the blind they simply can’t understand it. The words of the LORD ring clear in this…….” Unless the LORD build the house the weary builders build in vain”.
You are without a doubt the best explainer of scriptures this site has ever produced, IMO.
Peace and love to you and yours Jodi…………gene
October 19, 2023 at 12:34 pm#945335
carmel
Participant
Hi Jodi,
You: The WORD from the beginning was God
bringing forth righteousness and salvation unto all the earth through
His Spirit aboding in a man.
Ye Jodi, Just read Hereunder what this scripture hereunder says:
Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, and hear this:
I have not spoken in secret from the beginning:
NOTICE THE TENSE,
PRESENT PERFECT TENSE.
It is used for past actions that are related to or continue into the present.
THUS WHO SPOKE FROM THE BEGINNING?
OBVIOUSLY THE WORD OF GOD!
You said: The WORD from the beginning was God….
THUS GOD FROM THE BEGINNING HAD NOT SPOKEN IN SECRET!
Let’s continue reading:
from the time before it was done,
Also obvious in the above:
Before creation started, BEFORE IT WAS DONE,
THE WORD OF GOD AND ACCORDING TO YOU ABOVE, AND ALSO I AGREE:
THE WORD WAS GOD…
WHAT NOW? READ PLEASE:
I was there,
WHO WAS THERE Jodi?
UP TO NOW, THIS VERSE HAS BEEN SPOKEN SPECIFICALLY FROM THE BEGINNING BY GOD!
NOW DOES IT MAKE SENSE AT ALL Jodi?
IF GOD, AS THE CREATOR, HAD SAID THOSE WORDS HIMSELF FROM THE BEGINNING, WAS THERE ANY NEED FOR GOD TO SAY ALSO THAT
HE WAS THERE?
HE HIMSELF HAD SPOKEN IT, SO HE MUST HAVE BEEN THERE FOR SURE!
THUS:
GOD HAS SPOKEN!
GOD HAS NOT SPOKEN IN SECRET!
GOD WAS THERE!
Attention now please: THE SCRIPTURE SAYS NOW:
and NOW the Lord God HAS sent ME, and his SPIRIT.
MAY I ASK YOU AGAIN Jodi!
WHO HAD NOT SPOKEN IN SECRET FROM THE BEGINNING:
THE ANSWER IS FOR SURE UNLESS A PERSON IS BLIND!
“THE WORD” OF GOD MADE FLESH, JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, PRE-EXISTED!
WHETHER YOU ACCEPT IT OR NOT
IT’S YOUR PIGEON I’M FRAID! THUS
HE WAS THERE Jodi, and Gene!
Now you clearly said that
The WORD from the beginning was God….
THUS, IN THE BEGINNING, THE WORD WAS NOT SPOKEN IN SECRET BY GOD!
you also said:
THE WORD WAS GOD!
and also
GOD “THE WORD” MADE FLESH JESUS WAS THERE!
AND NOW WE HAVE:
THE LORD GOD HAS SENT “THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD, JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, AND ALSO HIS SPIRIT, THE HOLY GHOST, THE SON OF GOD!
Asserted by Jesus in
John 4:35 Do you not say, There are yet four months, and then the harvest cometh? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes, and see the countries; for they are white already to harvest. 36 And HE that REAPETH receiveth wages, and GATHERETH fruit unto life everlasting:
THAT BOTH HE THAT SOWETH, AND HE THAT REAPETH,
may rejoice together.
THEY REJOICE TOGETHER ON THE CROSS!
AS IMMEDIATELY ON THE DEATH OF JESUS, “THE WORD” MADE FLESH, THE SON OF MAN, TOGETHER WITH THE HOLY GHOST, JESUS’ SOUL. THE SON OF GOD, THEY WERE NOT TWO ANYMORE, BUT GLORIFIED AND
REJOICED TOGETHER
TWO IN ONE FLESH, BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH IN
JESUS CHRIST
GODMAN!
Now read the scripture hereunder please:
Acts 20:28 Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock,
wherein THE HOLY GHOST hath placed you bishops,
to rule the church of God,
which HE HATH PURCHASED with HIS OWN BLOOD.
THE ABOVE CLEARLY AND PLAINLY IN BLACK ON WHITE SAYS THAT
THE HOLY GHOST PURCHASED THE CHURCH OF GOD WITH HIS OWN BLOOD!
WHO’S BLOOD IS IN ACTUAL FACT?
THE BLOOD OF JESUS THE SON OF MAN! NO?
AND HOW COME THE HOLY GHOST OWNS THE BLOOD!
FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT
THE HOLY GHOST, THE SON OF GOD and
“THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD, THE SON OF MAN
ARE NOT TWO ANYMORE
BUT TWO IN ONE FLESH!
BOTH GLORIFIED AS
JESUS CHRIST, HERE IT COMES AGAIN:
GODMAN John3:31,32, John 17:1, 1 John5:20, Isaiah 25:9, 48:16.

You: The WORD from the beginning was God
bringing forth righteousness and salvation unto all the earth through
His Spirit aboding in a man.
THAT’S RIGHT Jodi, IT IS CONFIRMED IN THE SCRIPTURE HEREUNDER:

Isaiah 48:16 ….and NOW the Lord God HAS sent ME, and his SPIRIT.
You: The WORD from the beginning was God….
You: The WORD from the beginning is of a man……
THAT’S RIGHT Jodi:
THAT MAN FROM THE BEGINNING WAS GOD!
John 1:1IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made.
14And the Word was made flesh,
and dwelt among us, (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15John beareth witness of him, and crieth out, saying: This was he of whom I spoke:
He that shall come after me, is preferred before me: because he was before me.
16And of his fulness we all have received, and grace for grace. 17For the law was given by Moses; grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18No man hath seen God at any time:
the only begotten Son who IS in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ

October 19, 2023 at 4:13 pm#945336
Jodi
Participant
Gene your words and encouragement mean so much!
Peace and love to you brother,
Jodi
October 19, 2023 at 6:50 pm#945337
Nick
Participant
Spiritualisms according to your vivid imagination Carmel.
October 19, 2023 at 8:22 pm#945339
carmel
Participant
Hi Nick,
You: Spiritualisms according to your vivid imagination Carmel.
It is evidently clear that you don’t know the difference
between spirituality and spiritualism! Read:
the difference between spiritualism and spirituality – Search (bing.com)
Spirituality and spiritualism are two terms that are often used interchangeably, but they actually have very different meanings1. Spirituality refers to the search for meaning and purpose in life, often through a connection to a higher power or sense of transcendence2. Spiritualism, on the other hand, is more specifically focused on the belief in communication with the dead or other supernatural entities.
Is it sufficiently CLEAR?
in the meantime read the scripture hereunder please:
Mark 13:10And unto all nations the gospel must first be preached.
11And when they shall lead you and deliver you up, be not thoughtful beforehand what you shall speak; but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye.
For it is not you that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
12And the brother shall betray his brother unto death, and the father his son; and children shall rise up against the parents, and shall work their death. 13And you shall be hated by all men for my name’s sake. But he that shall endure unto the end, he shall be saved.

Peace and love in Jesus Christ
October 20, 2023 at 7:08 am#945342
Nick
Participant
Hi C,
Quoting many scriptures in vivid colour is not evidence that you are a servant of God.
Your invention of a GODMAN suggests otherwise.
Knowledge and understanding are not fruit.
October 20, 2023 at 12:07 pm#945346
carmel
Participant
Hi Nick,
You: Hi C,
Quoting many scriptures in vivid colour is not evidence that you are a servant of God.
Me: GOD IS LIGHT AND NOT SEEN, EXCEPT THROUGH WHAT HE CREATED, AND WHAT HE CREATED ARE NOT SEEN IN DARKNESS,
BUT IN LIGHT, AND
LIGHT CONTAINS ALL THE COLOURS, OR
THE THREE PRIMARY COLOURS IN ONE
AS EVIDENCE OF WHAT GOD IS
NOW, I RESPECT CERTAIN PERSONS MORE THAN OTHERS, OF WHICH ARE THOSE PERSONS WITH SUCH AN OPINION,
WHO LOOKS ONLY AT THINGS THAT ARE SEEN,
WHICH ARE TEMPORAL AND PASSING,
NOT AT THINGS THAT ARE NOT SEEN,
WHICH ARE ETERNAL!
AS EVIDENCE OF WHAT THEY ARE.
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen, are temporal; but the things which are not seen, are eternal.

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

October 21, 2023 at 6:03 am#945372
Jodi
Participant
Hi Berean,
YOU: In thé BIGINNING “the WORD” was not a man but thé SON OF GOD WHO WAS GOD.
ME: I have never said that “the Word” of John 1:1 represents a man. I have posted before giving scripture that “the Word” of John 1:1 represents God’s word of eternal life.
Eternal life is through righteousness and it is God’s Spirit dwelling in the human spirit that causes righteousness.
“the Word” from John 1:1, is in fact God’s WORD, as in something He DECLARED, as in something He PROMISED in the beginning.
So what WORD did God declare that has been WITH him since the beginning as a promise to fulfill, but also directly represents God Himself?
Does God’s Spirit represent God? Yes indeed. Does Righteousness represent God? Yes indeed. Does Eternal Life represent God? Yes indeed.
Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began.
God’s Word even before the world began was a promise of eternal life.
John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us.
Proverbs 12:28 28 In the way of righteousness is life; and in the pathway thereof there is no death.
Ephesians 5:9 For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness righteousness and truth.
Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Mark 10:39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:40 But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.
Mathew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Acts 13:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father THE PROMISE of the Holy Spirit, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Let’s go back to 1 John 1: That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us.
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
Romans 5 speaks of one man bringing sin and death and one man bringing forth righteousness and life.
Romans 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)…
…21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it. 12 Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness: 13 I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles…5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
(Paul tells us that those who are Led by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God and that the Spirit bears witness to the human spirit that they are a child of God and he says that people were predestined to be made in the image of the Son. The signs and miracles Jesus did were proof that he was God’s Son, they were proof that he was begotten of the Spirit, born of God, proof that he was being led by the Spirit of God, the Spirit indeed was bearing witness to his spirit that he was a child of God)
Berean, is the LIGHT John is speaking of, NOT the LIGHT of Isaiah 42? Do you give no respect to the word of God that first of all, He is the Creator, who secondly, then calls a man to righteousness for him to be a light unto Jews and Gentiles alike?
In Isaiah 42 is this man who has been called to righteousness NOT the same man who this Creator had SPOKEN of from the beginning whom He SAID He would call to execute His purpose for having created all things in the first place, to bring forth salvation and righteousness?
The Word is executed by the calling of one man who is a light.
The Word is eternal life which exists only through God’s Spirit causing righteousness.
This Word was with God from the beginning, a PROMISE, and this Word is God for God Himself is the Spirit, is Righteousness and is Eternal Life.
What does the anointed Jesus represent, the man whom God called to righteousness having been born of God’s Spirit, where he died but was raised up receiving the promised Spirit and eternal life. According to 1 John 1 he became God’s Word of life that had been declared from the beginning manifested for all to see, see his flesh and bones and handle him so that our faith and hope our in God and His promises. God gives this man power to execute God’s purpose for having made all things in the first place, Jesus is a firstborn of many brethren! Jesus execute the promise that God would be ALL IN ALL, His Spirit, His Righteousness, His Eternal Life.

October 22, 2023 at 12:53 am#945375
Berean
Participant
Hi Jodi
You
Berean, is the LIGHT John is speaking of, NOT the LIGHT of Isaiah 42? Do you give no respect to the word of God that first of all, He is the Creator, who secondly, then calls a man to righteousness for him to be a light unto Jews and Gentiles alike?
Me
Isaiah prophesied about Christ (THE WHICH JOHN NAMED “THE WORD” (John 1v.1/Rev.19:13)WHO WAS MADE FLESH .(v.14)
[3]All things were made by HIM;👈 and 👉without him was not any thing made that was made.👈
NO NEED TO SPIRITUALIZE VERSE 3
HE IS THE CREATIVE AGENT OF GOD.
As Paul also said to the Colossians
For by him were all things 👉created, 👈that are in heaven👈, and that are in earth,👈 visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[17] And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
[4] In him was life; and the life was👉 the light of men.👈
I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee👉 for a covenant of the people, 👉for a light of the Gentiles;👈(Is.42:6)

[5] And the light shines in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
[6] There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
[7] The same came for a witness, to bear witness of 👉the Light,👈 that all men through him might believe.
[8] He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
[9] That was the true Light, which lighteth 👉every man that comes into the world.👈
[10] He was in the world, and👉 the world 👉was made BY HIM, 👈 and the world knew him not.
[11] He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[12] But as many as 👉received him,👈 to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them👉 that believe on his name:👈
[13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.👈
🙏
October 28, 2023 at 4:43 am#945429
Jodi
Participant
Hi Berean,
Isaiah indeed prophesied about Christ but you ignore and thus do not apply at all the important truths of the word of God therein. Your doctrine is actually a complete lie going against direct scripture.
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. 19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
Isaiah 65:9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.
Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory…34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you SINCE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD.
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles…5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Isaiah 44:23 Sing, O ye heavens; for the LORD hath done it: shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel. 24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the earth BY MYSELF;
Isaiah 49:1 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. 2 And he hath MADE my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me; 3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
Jeremiah 10:12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion. 13 When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures.
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Berean, according to direct scriptures the inheritor of the earth is not the Creator of the Earth and the Creator of the earth elected an inheritor of the earth to rule over all the earth.
This same inheritor who is to be a ruler of the earth, through the Creator’s Spirit aboding in him, is a servant to the Creator. This servant to the Creator fulfills the purpose as to why the earth was created in the first place, for the Creator to be ALL IN ALL upon the earth, His Spirit, His Righteousness, His Eternal Life. This is the Gospel, this is the Word that was with God from the beginning and is God. This Word is fulfilled in Jesus himself and God through the Spirit in him fulfills it unto all nations of people, why all things were made by reason of him, for him and without him nothing would have been made that was made.
The Creator accomplishes everything BY MEANS OF HIS OWN SPIRIT!
The Creator is YHVH our heavenly Father where BY MEANS OF His Spirit and the wisdom, discretion and power therein, His own voice brought forth heaven and earth into existence. YHVH did it BY REASON OF AND FOR the inheritor, which YHVH DECLARED this from the beginning, even before the world was.
Compare the difference Berean,
Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. 19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
Isaiah 46: 9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it. 12 Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness: 13 I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.
Romans 5:19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
The DIFFERENCE is that we are told that YHVH in the beginning created heaven and earth all by Himself, ALL ALONE by His SPIRIT, His OWN VOICE, but when it comes to YHVH making the righteous and making the world at peace, making the new heaven and earth, we are told that He does so through His Spirt living in the man Jesus.

October 28, 2023 at 9:40 am#945430
Berean
Participant
Hi Jodi
you
Isaiah 44:24
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that makesth all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the earth BY MYSELF;
me
The Son of God, in the BIGINNING WAS GOD.
HIS ORIGIN 👉 Micah 5:2
….out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, 👉from everlasting.👈.
HIS NATURE/SUBSTANCE
Who being the brightness of his glory(of God), and the 👉express image👈 of his person(of God) (Heb.1:3)
When it is written that God “spreadeth abroad the earth BY MYSELF” THIS DOES NOT EXCLUDE THAT GOD USES HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON TO DO THE JOB, AS DESCRIBED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, FOR THE SON OF GOD IN HIS DIVINE NATURE “IS GOD “
HE IS GOD “BEGOTTEN” FROM GOD
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
👉Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me:
1)👉for I proceeded forth
2)👉and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.(John8:42)
For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and👉 have believed that I came out from God.👈 John 16:27)
1) I came forth👉 from the Father, 👈
2)and am come into the world:
3) again,
I leave the world, and go to the Father. (John 16:28)

Eph.3:9 And to make all [men] see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things👉 by Jesus Christ:
….all things were created
👉 by him, and👉 for him: (Col.1:16)
Conclusion :
THE “BY MYSELF” of Isaiah 44:24 THIS IS ALSO THE DEVINITY OF GOD, WHICH THE SON POSSESSES.
👇
For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;(Col.1:19)
👇
….Christ.
[9] For in him dwelleth all the fulness of👉 the Godhead bodily.👈
THE OT AND THE NT ARE IN HARMONY WHEN WE SEE THE SON OF GOD AS HE WAS IN ETERNITY AND AS HE HAS BEEN ON EARTH AND AS HE IS NOW IN HEAVEN.
Luke 9:26
For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words, of him will the Son of Man be ashamed when he comes
👉 in his glory, (John17:5)
👉and in that of the Father
👉and holy angels
🙏
October 28, 2023 at 8:31 pm#945431
carmel
Participant
Hi Jodi,
You: Berean…….Your doctrine is actually a complete lie going against direct scripture.

17 And if children, then heirs;
heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ;
Me: It’s no use reading the scripture and then preaching your misinterpretation of it!
In the above, you produced verse 17 and highlighted,
“heirs of God “ in black and
“joint-heirs with Christ” in red!
Answer please for the sake of TRUTH!
Why did you do so? I mean:
Why where there is God mentioned, you used the BLACK and
where Jesus Christ is mentioned, you used the RED?
IF YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND YOU CONCLUDED THAT THERE SHOULD BE A DIFFERENCE IN THE WAY YOU PRESENTED THAT VERSE IN YOUR POST, EXPLAIN TO US PLEASE, WHY DID YOU DO SO!
I AM WAITING FOR YOUR
TRUTH!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
October 29, 2023 at 3:03 am#945432
GeneBalthrop
Participant
Jodi……Excellent post, anyone who is guided by the Spirit of the living God can Easley see what you are saying and quoting and why you are enfacing certain major points by capitalizing and coloring them. Good Job Jodi, I am always encouraged when I read your posts.
peace and love to you and yours Jodi………gene
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Jesus is the Word of God

Definition of ‘Created’

Definition of ‘Begotten’

Conclusion

👉By him=one person

ONE BEING!

and you have seen him.

Philip, he that seeth me seeth the Father also.

10 Do you not believe, that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?

But the Father who abideth in me, he doth the works.

THE SOUL WHO ABIDES IN YOU,

SHE DOES THE WORKS!

DISCREDIT JESUS!

NO JESUS NO GOD, NO GOD NO JESUS!

9 And they shall say in that day:

Lo, this is OUR GOD, we have waited for him,

JESUS IS GODMAN!

THE MOUNTAIN OF GOD! Ezekiel 28:16

as he that swimmeth stretcheth forth his hands to swim:

will draw AL THINGS to myself.

EVEN GODSHIP!

John 17:1,2!

This is my body, which is given for you.

PURIFIED IN HIS BODY!

THE NEW JERUSALEM!

which shall be shed for you.

my hour is not yet come.

PURIFIED IN JESUS’ BLOOD!

ZION!

IT IS A PITY Gene, THAT

PROCLAIMED IT!

His Spirit aboding in a man.

I have not spoken in secret from the beginning:

THE WORD WAS GOD…

I was there,

WHO WAS THERE Jodi?

HE WAS THERE?

and NOW the Lord God HAS sent ME, and his SPIRIT.

“THE WORD” OF GOD MADE FLESH, JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, PRE-EXISTED!

HE WAS THERE Jodi, and Gene!

THAT BOTH HE THAT SOWETH, AND HE THAT REAPETH,

may rejoice together.

REJOICED TOGETHER

JESUS CHRIST

GODMAN!

THE HOLY GHOST PURCHASED THE CHURCH OF GOD WITH HIS OWN BLOOD!

WHO’S BLOOD IS IN ACTUAL FACT?

BUT TWO IN ONE FLESH!

GODMAN John3:31,32, John 17:1, 1 John5:20, Isaiah 25:9, 48:16.

His Spirit aboding in a man.

Isaiah 48:16 ….and NOW the Lord God HAS sent ME, and his SPIRIT.

You: The WORD from the beginning was God….

You: The WORD from the beginning is of a man……

THAT’S RIGHT Jodi:

John 1:1IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

14And the Word was made flesh,

He that shall come after me, is preferred before me: because he was before me.

the only begotten Son who IS in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

between spirituality and spiritualism! Read:

For it is not you that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

LIGHT CONTAINS ALL THE COLOURS, OR

AS EVIDENCE OF WHAT GOD IS

WHO LOOKS ONLY AT THINGS THAT ARE SEEN,

NOT AT THINGS THAT ARE NOT SEEN,

AS EVIDENCE OF WHAT THEY ARE.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen, are temporal; but the things which are not seen, are eternal.

[3]All things were made by HIM;👈 and 👉without him was not any thing made that was made.👈

[10] He was in the world, and👉 the world 👉was made BY HIM, 👈 and the world knew him not.

heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ;

TRUTH!

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