Upon this rock, Jesus Christ built his Church

Balancing Rock Girraween

For many Christian denominations, the foundation of their faith is usually a version of the Trinity Doctrine in some form. But is this doctrine really the true foundation of the Church? Let’s take a look at the actual foundation that Jesus Christ built his Church on.

Matthew 16:13-18
13 Jesus came into the country of Caesarea Philippi. He asked His followers, “Who do people say that I, the Son of Man, am?”
14 They said, “Some say You are John the Baptist and some say Elijah and others say Jeremiah or one of the early preachers.”

15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
16 Simon Peter said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 Jesus said to him, “Simon, son of Jonah, you are happy because you did not learn this from man. My Father in heaven has shown you this.
18 “And I tell you that you are Peter. On this rock I will build My church. The powers of hell will not be able to have power over My church.

Read the above clearly. Jesus did not build his Church on Peter. He built it on the truth that Peter spoke concerning the true identity of Jesus Christ. And what was that truth? That Jesus is the Son of God and the Christ.

Peter did not say that Jesus was God or one member of a triune God, yet that is the foundation for many. So what is it that tries to fight against the true foundation? Is it not the Gates of Hell that is trying to prevail against this truth. But for what benefit is there to attack the true foundation of the Church, which is the Body of Christ?

Here is the thing. Roman Catholics believe that the foundation was Peter and this is where their line of Popes supposedly comes from. They also believe that the foundation of their faith is the Trinity Doctrine. Not only are they wrong, but their fruit over the centuries proves that this tree was not good.

So which is it? The Catholic faith or the true faith?

Many do not realise that they side with the Catholic faith. However, it is true that this faith and foundation cannot sustain eternally any work built upon her.

For they labour in vain those who build on another foundation.

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 8:6: for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

He also wrote in Ephesians 4:5-6: one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

And Jesus said it so clearly in John 17:3: Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Are you willing to believe the truth about who God is and who Jesus is over any contrary tradition that was passed down to you?

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  • #814499
    NickHassan
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    Hi Ed,

    God saves.

    But the Spirit is not a person.

    #814504
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    But the Spirit is not a person.

    Hi Nick,

    Is your spirit “a person”? y/n

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #814506
    GeneBalthrop
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    NICK….YOU have failed to produce a single scripture that says angels “are” spirits, of anykind. you are right about symbolic language used in revelations. but your interpretations do not fit scriptures, for instance the seven lamps of fire, which are the seven spirits of God, are seven destinct spirits of GOD, WHICH HE USES TO “JUDGE” THE WORLD WITH, they go before his throne is symbolic, for producing his SEVEN DESTINCT insites or enlightments, need to rule his throne with, and these spirits are in JESUS which HE WILL USE TO RULE HIS KINGDOM WITH. That is why GOD SAYS TO THE SON, “THY KINGDOM “O” GOD IS AN EVER LASTING KINGDOM.” IT IS GOD “IN” JESUS THE LAMB, RULING THROUGH HIM BY THE “SEVEN SPIRITS” OF GOD, ABIDING “IN” JESUS.

    NICK….TRUE THE SEVEN SPIRITS “OF” GOD, THEY are not seperate from him, they go out from him and are used as his eyes which give him destinct intellects needed to rule and judge all things with. They represent the complete GOD, WHY DO YOU THINK SEVEN REPRESENTS COMPLETION WITH GOD?

    YOU have also failed to produce scriptures that say there is “ONLY” ONE Spirit of GOD, WHILE IT IS TRUE WE ARE GIVEN THE SPIRIT OF “TRUTH” AND ALSO GIVEN DIFFERENT GIFTS BY or through, The SPIRIT GIVEN US, BUT THAT DOES NOT LIMIT GOD TO A SINGLE SPIRIT AS YOU ASSUME. I SEE GOD THE FATHER AS A COMPOSITE of SEVEN SPIRITS, YOU LIMIT HIM TO JUST ONE. Therein lies our difference, you see spirits different then i do, i believe they transmit their own destinct trates to us, and effect our thinking, you seen to view them as persons even though you say they are not persons, then tell us what they are to you NICK, SO WE CAN SEE WHERE YOU ARE COMMING FROM.

    We may have to agree to disagree on this one brother.

    peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

    #814508
    GeneBalthrop
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    NICK….You said wrether or not the spirit is embodied in servant angels or a person is not important. I DISAGREE, it very important what type or kind of spirits are in a person, because it is by these spirits the thinking of the mind is greatly effected. Aren’t we told to try the spirits to see if they are of God or not. NICK i still do not understand what you believe spirits are, please try to give me a specific answer to this question, what is the general rule you see spirits as, brother?

    peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #814512
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    No.

    #814775
    Proclaimer
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    Thus those who do not have the Spirit of Christ are none of his.

    And the spirit means we will love. If we love not, we have not that Spirit you speak of.

    Love is the fruit you will see.

    God is love, so those who are born of him love because they will be like him.

    #820080
    NickHassan
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    Hi t8,

    Matt 16

    Blessed are you , Simon Bar-Jonah, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but my Father, Who is in heaven.

     

    Peter had been taught by the Spirit of Christ and this is the foundation of the Body of Christ.

     

    As Romans 8 says

    If anyone does not havethe Spirit of Christ he does not belong to him

     

    1cor 12

    For by One Spirit we were all baptised into one Body

     

    #820137
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    True Nick. But without love you are nothing. A revelation of this you might need if you disagree.

    #820139
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    What angry attack on me are you launching now?

    Back to basics till you hear the Spirit.

    #820512
    Proclaimer
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    Love is not anger. But love can express itself in anger for sure. The attack is an attack of truth and correct reading of the scripture. If you love the truth, you will not see an attack, you will see an opportunity to be better.

    #820524
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    You cannot hear the voice of the Spirit in scripture yet you claim to teach correctly.?

    Hmmm

    #820673
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    It doesn’t matter what you think of me whether rightly or wrongly. If you have not love, then how can you be born of God?

    So little time for all of us, and much to do. Why waste the time you have by letting pride stop you from being better.

    Who will you hurt in the end? Me? No, I tell you not me.

    #820765
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    The rock the church is built on is the Spirit that manifested in Peter.

    The spiritual rock that is the teachings of God’s Spirit.

    The same rock that Moses struck in the desert.

    The rock that wise men build on.

    #821657
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Love is the fruit of the Spirit. No love, no Spirit. This is how we know those who are born of God.

    We also know the enemy. He condemns. He never encourages people to be patient, loving, and kind.

    If we have eyes, we see the fruit and if we are wise, we know the root.

    Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God. True faith’s understanding sits on this.

    Love also loves the truth and all other things of God.

    Our lives are too short to hold onto pride. We need to drop that otherwise we have to take it with us when we meet God.

    #821834
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    Yes offer encouragement and love.

    Stop condemning others.

    Resist pride.

     

    Good teaching.

    #821885
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    To all….The power of God working through love in the mind of those called, is what builds the church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. According to Jesus.

    Peace and love to you all and yours. ……gene

    #822263
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Love never fails.

    #822301
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    T8…..AMEN, LOVE RESETS EVERYTHING, MAKES ALL THING NEW AGAIN. HOW BLESSED WE ARE TO HAVE A HEAVENLY FATHER WHO IS LOVE.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #822346
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Amen. Love is the greatest.

    #822393
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    The rock that the church is built on is the Spirit of Christ.

    1 Cor 10

    For I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea; and all were baptised into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, and they all ate the same spiritual food; and all drank the same spiritual drink , for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.

    Ex 17.6

    ‘.. Behold I will stand before you there on the rock at  Horeb; and you shall strike the rock, and water will come out of it, that the people may drink’

    And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel.

    Rom 8.9

    ..But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him.

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