The human soul is NOT eternal

The human soul

Many teachers out there teach that the human soul is inherently eternal, and consequently the souls of the wicked must also always exist which leads to the doctrine of Eternal Suffering. But is this true?

Some ask the inevitable question, “how can a God of love subject anyone to such a terrible fate? Let’s see if this idea of eternal suffering is true by looking at the very scriptures that these teachers use to support their teaching. Before we begin though, let’s think this hypothesis through.

First off, how are the wicked alive if they are cut off from the God of the living? Do they have another life power source apart from God? Or do they get to keep the breath that gave them life in the first place. If so, why does it say that the spirit goes back to God who gave it in Ecclesiastes 12:7?

and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

And what happens when you forfeit your soul, does it mean you keep it?

And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul? … For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul? (Mark 8:36)

These scriptures answer our sensible questions regarding what eternal judgement must entail.

Are these just isolated scriptures taken out of context though? Let’s read on and discover more scriptures that tell a completely different story to the Doctrine of Eternal Suffering.

First we will investigate if the human soul is eternal as many assume.

  • the soul that sins shall die (Ezekiel 18:20)
  • Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.(Matthew 10:28)

This is enough to answer anyone who believes that the human soul never dies. We have to clear witness scriptures that teach that the human soul can actually die. But there is more. In fact there is a wealth of teaching about the possible destruction and death of the human soul and the destruction of the wicked. After all, do we not already hold to the fact that eternal life is for the righteous soul ONLY.

  • for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls.
  • hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
  • But transgressors will be altogether destroyed; The posterity of the wicked will be cut off.
  • He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.
  • What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath–prepared for destruction?
  • And death and Hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 
  • They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
  • I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.
  • I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.
  • For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
  • and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
  • Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
  • Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is on earthly things.
  • They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power
  • By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
  • For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Anyone who denies that the wicked will be destroyed, perish, forfeit their soul, die, or thrown into the Second Death that also destroys the present earth and heaven simply deny scripture and prophecy regarding what is taught on Eternal Judgment. In the Book of Revelation. we clearly read that Death and Hell are thrown into the Lake of Fire, and we know that the SAME fire that destroys the heavens and earth also destroys the wicked.

This teaching that says that both the righteous and wicked will have their soul exist for all eternity is clearly not aligned with scripture. But how important is the correct belief on Eternal Judgement? Well it is is one of the foundational doctrines of the true faith. See Hebrews 6:

1 Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, 2 instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3 And God permitting, we will do so. 4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. 7 Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. 8 But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned. 9 Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are confident of better things in your case–things that accompany salvation. 10 God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them. 11 We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure. 12 We do not want you to become lazy, but to imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.

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  • #790744
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi mila,

    Jesus holds the keys to Death and Hades[Rev1.18] suggesting Death in this context is perhaps the bosom of Abraham?

    #790756
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Are the ungodly destroyed?

    #790762
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hi miia. I think your post is good. Also, I was shown Outer Darkness. Read about it here:

    Vision of Hell

    #790774
    DavidL
    Participant

    Well I’m with bodhitharta on this…the Scriptures do not teach annihilation – that concept is man-made..

     

    ..as I’ve pointed out before, the idea of annihilation would give hope to those in a place where there is no hope – really this teaching is just another example of man conforming God’s word to his own limited idea of what God should be like.. instead of letting Scripture speak for itself.

    #790780
    Miia
    Participant

    Thanks t8 I will.

    #790781
    Miia
    Participant

    If all that will remain in the end is love, how can the opposite of love remain? If love is described by the scriptures as being: (pay attention): patient, kind, not self seeking, not easily angered, KEEPING NO RECORD OF WRONG, PROTECTIVE, TRUSTING and HOPING, and if God is all of those things and more, and it’s all that remains, how can the opposite remain? How can impatience, hostility, unkindness, self satisfaction, anger, A RECORD OF WRONGS, UNPROTECTION, DISTRUST and NO HOPE remain (DavidL, didn’t you say that there is no hope in eternal hell? If hope is one of the things that will remain – and God will be ALL IN ALL – then you are wrong).

    In the end, all that will remain IS love.

    #790782
    Miia
    Participant

    Well I’m with bodhitharta on this…the Scriptures do not teach annihilation – that concept is man-made..

    Hi David.

    You should look into the description of hell as is written in the Qur’an and then get back to us here if you agree with that description too.

    Hi mila,

    Yes KW is right.

    That explains why Hades and Death can be cast in the lake of fire once their roles have expired at Judgement

    Jesus holds the keys to Death and Hades[Rev1.18] suggesting Death in this context is perhaps the bosom of Abraham?

    Hi Nick.

    So hades is the holding place of the dead until the resurrection and judgment, and the bosom of Abraham is the place of comfort awaiting the resurrection and judgment.

    And you are thinking hades and death are cast in the lake of fire. Jesus holds the keys to hades and death.  So, death which Jesus holds the keys to means the bossom of Abraham (place of comfort) which is cast in the lake of fire. So both holding places are what is cast in the lake of fire (finished with). Is that what you are meaning?

     

    #790785
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi mila,

    Both waiting places are of no further use once Judgement is complete.

    All the dross of creation takes no further part in eternal life with the Father and the Son.

     

    #790787
    DavidL
    Participant

    miia..

    You should look into the description of hell as is written in the Qur’an and then get back to us here if you agree with that description too.

     

    as I understand, Bd was not quoting the Qur’an..

    #790792
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Some people believe the following which I also believe.

    Death and Hades is thrown into the Lake of Fire yes, but not the righteous for the following reason.

    Hades was once divided into two. The righteous part (where Abraham was) and the wicked part. The two were divided by a deep chasm of some kind, as described by Jesus in one of his stories.

    When Jesus rose from the dead, he preached to the dead and with the keys of Death and Hades he proclaimed victory over death. He then took with him the righteous to be with him. Now when the righteous die, they are with the Lord and they precede those who will be taken up in the hour that no man knows. And where is the Lord now? He is not in Hades, but at the right-hand of the Majesty on High.

    Thus Abraham’s bosom is no longer, leaving only the wicked in Hades. In fact we are told that Hades is expanding.

    Isaiah 5:14
    Therefore Sheol has enlarged its throat and opened its mouth without measure;

    Matthew 27
    51 And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.
    52 The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;

    53 and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many.…

    #790793
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Further, Hades and Death are thrown into the Lake of Fire. We are explicitly told by our brother Peter, that the heavens and earth as well as the wicked are destroyed by the judgement of fire. After that will remain only that which is good. Finally the mission will be complete.  What mission? That all will be under Christ and God will be in all, amen. All who love God look forward to that day.

    #790795
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    Good stuff.

    But where is this written?

    “He then took with him the righteous to be with him.”

    #790796
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    The ones preached to in prison are a specified group = “..those who were disobedient .. in the days of Noah..” 1 Peter 3.20

    It does not say they were then taken from that prison.

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    #790798
    kerwin
    Participant

    David L,

    Do you put your understanding of Biblical Greek up against those who were put in a position of interpreting Scripture..?!

    Why would you bother asking someone that claims to be taught by God? Of course such a person would put what the Spirit is telling them instead of those that call themselves experts or are judged that by others.

    Do you not read in Scriptures where Christians are taught to test the Spirit of what they hear?

    #790806
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    The ones preached to in prison are a specified group = “..those who were disobedient .. in the days of Noah..” 1 Peter 3.20

    It does not say they were then taken from that prison.

    In what way were they imprisoned?

    I ask because Psalms 17:10 speaks of prisoners as well and it sounds like those prisoners are those that Jesus sets free of captivity in Luke 4:18.

    #790930
    kerwin
    Participant

    t8,

    When Jesus rose from the dead, he preached to the dead and with the keys of Death and Hades he proclaimed victory over death.

    That did not happen as Scripture teaches us death has not yet been placed under Jesus’ feet. It will be the last thing placed under his feet (1 Corinthians 15:24-26) and so he does not yet have victory over it though that victory is assured as God delivers as he promises.

    #790931
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Do you think DEATH has more than one meaning?

    When Jesus has the keys to death and Hades what does this mean?

    #791035
    DavidL
    Participant

    @t8

    ..the wicked are destroyed by the judgement of fire.

    The problem with your teaching t8 is that you interpret the word ‘destroyed’ to mean ‘annihilation’, which is nowhere in Scripture – but rather a conclusion arrived at purely by human reasoning..

     

    Yet if it were possible to believe that the soul will be utterly terminated in the lake of fire, then you’re faced with the fact that there is something to look forward to in hell – an end to torment… when sadly this idea is actually completely foreign to the descriptions given in the Word of God.

    #791048
    Miia
    Participant

    as I understand, Bd was not quoting the Qur’an..

     

    Hi DavidL.

    I know that. I said you should look into the description of hell as is written in the Qur’an and then get back to us here if you agree with that description too.

    Here it is in the Qu’ran (From http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/says_about/hell.html ):

    Lo! Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment. 4:56

    They will wish to come forth from the Fire, but they will not come forth from it. Theirs will be a lasting doom. 5:37

    For them is drink of boiling water and a painful doom, because they disbelieved. 6:70

    And the dwellers of the Fire cry out unto the dwellers of the Garden: Pour on us some water or some wherewith Allah hath provided you. They say: Lo! Allah hath forbidden both to disbelievers (in His guidance) 7:50

    If thou couldst see how the angels receive those who disbelieve, smiting faces and their backs and (saying): Taste the punishment of burning! 8:50

    On the day when it will (all) be heated in the fire of hell, and their foreheads and their flanks and their backs will be branded 9:35

    Hell is before him, and he is made to drink a festering water, Which he sippeth but can hardly swallow, and death cometh unto him from every side while yet he cannot die, and before him is a harsh doom. 14:16-17

    Thou wilt see the guilty on that day linked together in chains, Their raiment of pitch, and the Fire covering their faces. 14:49-50

    We shall assemble them on the Day of Resurrection on their faces, blind, dumb and deaf; their habitation will be hell; whenever it abateth, We increase the flame for them. That is their reward because they disbelieved Our revelations. 17:97-98

    Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers Fire. Its tent encloseth them. If they ask for showers, they will be showered with water like to molten lead which burneth the faces. Calamitous the drink and ill the resting-place! 18:29

    The guilty behold the Fire and know that they are about to fall therein, and they find no way of escape thence. 18:53

    If those who disbelieved but knew the time when they will not be able to drive off the fire from their faces and from their backs, and they will not be helped! 21:29

    Behold them, staring wide (in terror), the eyes of those who disbelieve! 21:97

    But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads, Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning. 22:19-22

    The fire burneth their faces, and they are glum therein. 23:104

    For those who deny (the coming of) the Hour We have prepared a flame. When it seeth them from afar, they hear the crackling and the roar thereof. And when they are flung into a narrow place thereof, chained together, they pray for destruction there. 25:11-13

    It will be a hard day for disbelievers. On the day when the wrong-doer gnaweth his hands, he will say: Ah, would that I had chosen a way together with the messenger (of Allah)! 25:26-27

    But as for those who disbelieve, for them is fire of hell; it taketh not complete effect upon them so that they can die, nor is its torment lightened for them. Thus We punish every ingrate. And they cry for help there, (saying): Our Lord! Release us; we will do right, not (the wrong) that we used to do. … Now taste (the flavour of your deeds), for evil-doers have no helper. 35:36-37

    Those in the Fire say unto the guards of hell: Entreat your Lord that He relieve us of a day of the torment … although the prayer of disbelievers is in vain. 40:49-50

    Those who deny the Scripture and that wherewith We send Our messengers. But they will come to know, When carcans are about their necks and chains. They are dragged Through boiling waters; then they are thrust into the Fire. 40:70-72

    Lo! the tree of Zaqqum, The food of the sinner! Like molten brass, it seetheth in their bellies As the seething of boiling water. (And it will be said): Take him and drag him to the midst of hell, Then pour upon his head the torment of boiling water. 44:43-48

    Those who are immortal in the Fire and are given boiling water to drink so that it teareth their bowels. 47:15

    Indeed, the criminals will be in the punishment of Hell, abiding eternally. It will not be allowed to subside for them, and they, therein, are in despair. And We did not wrong them, but it was they who were the wrongdoers. And they will call, ‘O Maalik let your Lord put an end to us!” He will say, “Indeed, you will remain.'” 43: 74-77

     

    #791050
    Miia
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Do you think DEATH has more than one meaning?

    When Jesus has the keys to death and Hades what does this mean?

    Nick, I think it means what Jesus said Himself.
    Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.” Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.” Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?”(John 11:23)

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