The human soul is NOT eternal

The human soul

Many teachers out there teach that the human soul is inherently eternal, and consequently the souls of the wicked must also always exist which leads to the doctrine of Eternal Suffering. But is this true?

Some ask the inevitable question, “how can a God of love subject anyone to such a terrible fate? Let’s see if this idea of eternal suffering is true by looking at the very scriptures that these teachers use to support their teaching. Before we begin though, let’s think this hypothesis through.

First off, how are the wicked alive if they are cut off from the God of the living? Do they have another life power source apart from God? Or do they get to keep the breath that gave them life in the first place. If so, why does it say that the spirit goes back to God who gave it in Ecclesiastes 12:7?

and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

And what happens when you forfeit your soul, does it mean you keep it?

And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul? … For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul? (Mark 8:36)

These scriptures answer our sensible questions regarding what eternal judgement must entail.

Are these just isolated scriptures taken out of context though? Let’s read on and discover more scriptures that tell a completely different story to the Doctrine of Eternal Suffering.

First we will investigate if the human soul is eternal as many assume.

  • the soul that sins shall die (Ezekiel 18:20)
  • Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.(Matthew 10:28)

This is enough to answer anyone who believes that the human soul never dies. We have to clear witness scriptures that teach that the human soul can actually die. But there is more. In fact there is a wealth of teaching about the possible destruction and death of the human soul and the destruction of the wicked. After all, do we not already hold to the fact that eternal life is for the righteous soul ONLY.

  • for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls.
  • hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
  • But transgressors will be altogether destroyed; The posterity of the wicked will be cut off.
  • He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.
  • What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath–prepared for destruction?
  • And death and Hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 
  • They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
  • I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.
  • I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.
  • For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
  • and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
  • Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
  • Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is on earthly things.
  • They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power
  • By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
  • For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Anyone who denies that the wicked will be destroyed, perish, forfeit their soul, die, or thrown into the Second Death that also destroys the present earth and heaven simply deny scripture and prophecy regarding what is taught on Eternal Judgment. In the Book of Revelation. we clearly read that Death and Hell are thrown into the Lake of Fire, and we know that the SAME fire that destroys the heavens and earth also destroys the wicked.

This teaching that says that both the righteous and wicked will have their soul exist for all eternity is clearly not aligned with scripture. But how important is the correct belief on Eternal Judgement? Well it is is one of the foundational doctrines of the true faith. See Hebrews 6:

1 Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, 2 instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3 And God permitting, we will do so. 4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. 7 Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. 8 But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned. 9 Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are confident of better things in your case–things that accompany salvation. 10 God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them. 11 We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure. 12 We do not want you to become lazy, but to imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.

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  • #789619
    terraricca
    Participant

    K

    T,

    My claim is that there is forgiveness under the Law of Moses and essential point of the evidence I presented is “and they will be forgiven”. In other words if they make the sacrifices as the Law commands they will be forgiven their sins. That is what I claimed.

    did I deny this in my quote to you ? NO, but those sins are not the same as the sin transmitted by Adam for which Christ came to save us from

    for no one can pay back the ransom for his life says scriptures

    #789624
    kerwin
    Participant

    T,

    No sin was translated from Adam to anyone else as the one that sins is the one that is responsible for that sin.  We do suffer the consequences of Adam’s sin as can be seen from the fact we do not live in paradise.  Another is that each member of mankind became a slave to sin as a result of Adam’s sin.  If we obey all of Jesus’ teaching then we will be truly set free from being a slave to sin and instead we will like God in true righteousness and holiness.

    #789628
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    We all die Kerwin. The soul that sins will die. Do we start to die the moment we are born? If so, then the saying might be true. ‘We are born in sin’. If we were born without sin, then we would be like Jesus before his anointing (perhaps) or like Adam before he sinned.

    #789629
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Is the writer of Hebrews implying that being reminded of your sins year after year is a evil occurrence?

    If not, then what do you believe he means?

    Without thinking too heavily on this, the first thing that sprung to mind is this:

    WITHOUT THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD THERE IS NO REMISSION OF SINS!”

    If it was a yearly ritual, then the reminder of sin was there every time the shedding of blood occurred.

    Like an outstanding debt a payment is made against the interest. When you pay that interest it reminds you of the total outstanding debt, (reminded of your sins as you said above). And why is it like paying the interest, because when you pay interest, the debt is being serviced. If you do not pay, then the debt collector calls the debt in and you have to give up your soul as payment. (The soul that sins will die).

    But with Christ, it was finished. One time for all. Debt cancelled. Don’t need to worry about the outstanding debt Just don’t incur new debt and when you do, you have a covenant with the debt collector who is faithful to cancel any new debt incurred, so long as you do not abuse his grace, it will not be counted against you.

    How often was this shedding of blood? A quick google search rendered no results for me. If yearly, then makes sense.

    #789631
    terraricca
    Participant

    K

    No sin was translated from Adam to anyone else

    unless you tell me why all die in Adam ? and if all die because of his sin , then what is your argument for ? to deceive ?

    scriptures are clear on this

    #789636
    kerwin
    Participant

    T,
    Morality of the world and everything in it was the effect of Adam’s sin but those in Christ can still undergo the first death. The second death happens to angels while those that were faithful to God under the Law but not in Christ will not experience it.

    According to Jesus in 8:34 anyone that sins is a servant of sin. He also states previously that he has come to set his hearers free. I believe his words.

    #789637
    kerwin
    Participant

    @t8,

    “WITHOUT THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD THERE IS NO REMISSION OF SINS!”

    That is a reference to the idea the soul is in the blood and that the soul of an animal is sacrificed as remission for the soul of a human being. Looking at it the price had to be paid year after year and Jesus sacrificed his sinless soul once for all mankind and even then Hades/Sheol could not keep it.

    As an important aside, The account of his crusifiction does not testify he shed a lot of blood though he might well have shed more if he had been living when the soldier shoved the spear in his side. His soul did descend to Hades but was not left there.

    This makes it look like his purpose in sacrificing himself was to save animals from the first death as forgiveness was available already.

    #789643
    terraricca
    Participant

    K

    T,
    Morality of the world and everything in it was the effect of Adam’s sin but those in Christ can still undergo the first death. The second death happens to angels while those that were faithful to God under the Law but not in Christ will not experience it.

    According to Jesus in 8:34 anyone that sins is a servant of sin. He also states previously that he has come to set his hearers free. I believe his words.

    there are two kind of sins ;1)the sin transmitted through the sin of Adam,what result in death for us all .

    then 2) the sins we commit as of our action in the flesh and our spirit ;this sort of sin Jesus and his disciples and God request that we stop doing them ,for those sins make as slave of sin ;
    this is a very elementary doctrine ;

    if you do not agree with this please read your bible and come up with scriptures that really supports your opinion

    #789648
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    I have to agree with T.

    Jesus dealt with sin once and for all. Not just each individual sin that was temporarily covered through the shedding of the blood of animals, but sin fullstop.  There was no way under the law that all of mankind  could be saved from the effects of Adam’s sin. I guess God foreknew his plan and worked with those under the Law as if Christ was going to die for mankind.

    So he offered a way for them to cover their own sins on a temporary or ongoing basis, but then paid the full price at the right time.

    As it says: For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. (1 Corinthians 15:22)

    This is testament to the fact that there was no way that those born under Adam (even with Law and the shedding of blood) could gain eternal life. Sin brings death. One sin brings death. All under Adam will surely die, they will lose their soul. But God saved our souls through Christ.

    for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls. (1Peter 1:9)

    Paul even rebuked the Galatians for going back to the Law after such a great grace was shown them.

    You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? (Galatians 3:1-2)

    #789649
    terraricca
    Participant

    t8

    very well explained , amen

    #789718
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Thanks.

    #789727
    carmel
    Participant

     

    carmal,

    Your words contain a red herring fallacy.

    Kerwin,

    WHAT’S THE USE OF SAYING THAT UNLESS YOU EXPLAIN, AND PROVE OTHERWISE?

    WHERE SPECIFICALLY SCRIPTURES SAY THAT

    SOULS ARE ERADICATED?

    THE PHRASE

    ETERNAL FIRE, AND ALL OTHER SIMILAR PHRASES DO NOT MEAN THAT SOULS WOULD BE ERADICATED, OR  NEVER BE RELEASED FROM HELL!

    THE FACT THAT HELL DEFINITELY ENDS SINCE IT WOULD BE OF NO USE!

    THE WORD ” ETERNAL” IS A REFERENCE TO GOD!

    THE FACT THAT GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE, WHICH CONSUMES AND PURIFY SOULS, NOT DESTROY OR ERADICATE SOULS!

    THIS WOULD MAKE GOD INFERIOR TO EVIL!

    NOT OMNIPOTENT!

    GOD HATES SIN,

    BUT NOT HELL THE FACT THAT HIS PRESENCE IS THERE! THEREFORE LOVE IS ALSO THERE!

    AND ALSO THAT HE HIMSELF WOULD HAVE ESTABLISHED, SOMETHING LIKE HELL,AND THE ERADICATION OF SOULS, A KIND OF SUICIDE, WHICH HE HIMSELF HAVE NOT THE ABILITY TO MAKE HOLY, WHICH IS A COMPLETE CONTRADICTION TO:

    LOVE YOUR ENEMY! AND HE HIMSELF ERADICATES HIS ENEMIES?

    DO GOOD THAT HATES YOU! AND HE HIMSELF DOES BAD?

    THE RAIN COMES DOWN FROM HEAVEN FOR BOTH GOOD AND EVIL! AND HE HIMSELF HAS NO SOLUTION FOR THE EVIL?

    I CAME FOR THE SICK! AND THROUGH HIS DEATH THE SICK REMAIN SICK?

    I CAME FOR THE LOST SHEEP! AND THE LOST REMAIN LOST?

    KNOW THIS:

    THAT ALTHOUGH HEAVEN AND EARTH WOULD END,

    IN THE TRUTH ALL SOMEHOW, WOULD REMAIN TO THE LEAST DETAIL!

    DUE TO THE FACT THAT WHATEVER GOD CREATED SPIRITUALLY IS ETERNAL LIKE HIMSELF IS! SINCE ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM AND ALL FOR HIM!

    Isaiah 11:6The wolf shall dwell with the lamb: and the leopard shall lie down with the kid: the calf and the lion, and the sheep shall abide together, and a little child shall lead them.

    7The calf and the bear shall feed: their young ones shall rest together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

    8And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp: and the weaned child shall thrust his hand into the den of the basilisk.

    YOUR OWN GOD IS A FALLACY!

    MINE IS A TRUE LOVING GOD! LOVE ITSELF!

    SO EVEN IF IT TAKES AN ENDLESS TIME,

    GOD WOULD SAVE ALL!

    OTHERWISE HE WILL NEVER BE IN THE TRUTH:

    ALL IN ALL

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

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    #789734
    kerwin
    Participant

    Carmel,

    I said it so you could go over them and find the red herring and remove it. It was my assumption you wanted to make sound and valid points. If you do not care whether or not you do then why should I waste anymore words in attempt to help you.

    #789756
    carmel
    Participant

    I said it so you could go over them and find the red herring and remove it.

    Kerwin,

    YOU SAID SO,

    DUE TO THE FACT THAT FOR A REASON THAT ONLY YOU KNOW,

    YOU ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO JUSTIFY YOURSELF

     

    therefore:

    MY POST STANDS

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

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    #789760
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    @carmel

    So I get from what you say here you are a universalist? is that right? that is all shall eventually be saved by the love of God?

    Since God is love and eternal and what he creates in love is also eternal?

    #789830
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    So you are in a position to JUSTIFY YOURSELF?

    How unique.

    How deceived.

    #789831
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    You confuse SHEOL with the LAKE OF FIRE?

    #789832
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    HELL is a KJV anomaly.

    Best to avoid the confusion it induces

    #789833
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    NASB occasionally uses the word too but it is not in the YLT

    #790234
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hades and death are cast into the Lake of Fire which is the Second Death. This is the same fire that burns up the heavens and the earth. After that is a new heavens and Earth. A creation with no sin, crying, torture, etc. It will be perfect. God will dwell in all. This is the promise of God. For this we rejoice in God. Amen. The old has passed away. It doesn’t reside for eternity as many think.

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