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    Hi Proclaimer,

    You: But someone had to be the first to be with God.

    Me: Now, YES, who is THIS SOMEONE THOUGH?

    DEFINITELY AD INTRA , within the deity, AND NOT AD EXTRA outside the deity/creation, OR ELSE,
    GOD COULD IN NO WAY BE OUR SAVIOUR AT ALL!
    AS SIMPLE AS THAT,

    SINCE HE HAD TO HAVE SOMEONE ELSE WITH HIM AND BE INSEPARABLE!

    BEFORE THE …[Read more]

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    There is God and there is creation. The beginning is creation. Before the cosmos, there was God and the Word that was with him. But God is supreme. Someone had to be first. And the first would rightly be called the Son of God.

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    Hi Jodi and Gene,

    Continue from my last post.

    You: He established before the world was, even the man Jesus of Nazareth shedding his blood to pay for our sins was determined by our God and Father from the beginning.

    Me: Correction, No not from the beginning but BEFORE THE BEGINNING,

    AS GOD IN ALL HIS TASKS AD INTRA, HAS NO BEGINNING Jodi,[Read more]

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    God is love, and since He is love, He gave the first couple the free will or power to choose, to be dependent or independent with respect to God…

    There were two trees in the garden. They represented choice. At that time, God instructed man to eat from one tree. Man disobeyed.

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    I would vote for a person that declared that. As long as he wasn’t just saying it for the votes. I imagine that many would not vote for him for saying that though. so most likely he means it.

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    Free will allows us to crucify our own choices in favour of God’s choices.

    “Not MY Will, but YOURS”.

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    Berean replied to the topic Free Will? in the forum Truth or Tradition 2 years, 5 months ago

    Even if our will is placed on the side of God in Christ, it does not mean that we do not/no longer have free choice, because “not me but Christ” is a spiritual process….through which God works in us to make us ONE IN CHRIST AS CHRIST IS ONE WITH THE FATHER.
    WITHOUT FREE WILL MAN WOULD NOT EVEN NEED TO GIVE UP HIMSELF, BEING A ROBOT…

  • Profile picture of GeneBalthrop

    To all…….We must “ALL” put our wills to death, exactly like Jesus did  or we simply will not be in the kingdom of God.  We must all “overcome” our own wills, even as Jesus overcame his own, will. 

    The way Jesus did it is the “exact” way we must also, by puttingour wills to death to.  Or haven’t you people ever read what Jesus said (not me),  …[Read more]

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    Berean replied to the topic Free Will? in the forum Truth or Tradition 2 years, 5 months ago

    God is love, and since He is love, He gave the first couple the free will or power to choose, to be dependent or independent with respect to God… But it cost God an infinite price: the gift of His ONLY SON and the gift of His Son was “at the risk of eternal perdition” (for the Son) For the Son, it was not won in advance because it was necessary…[Read more]

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    Admin replied to the topic Free Will? in the forum Truth or Tradition 2 years, 5 months ago

    Free will is like giving away sovereignty. When this happens, you have self-rule and the giver takes a risk because the choices that the new entity makes may not necessarily line up with the will of the one who gave the free will or self-rule in the first place.

    But as the saying goes, “if you love something, set it free”.

    God gave us the abi…[Read more]

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    loy bronson
    US Senator Job Description:

    I solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reserve or purpose of escape; and that I will discharge well and…[Read more]

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    Hi to all

    Here is the Daily Devotional

     

    HOW COULD JESUS BE “THE FIRSTBORN FROM THE DEAD” WHEN OTHERS WERE RAISED FROM THE DEAD BEFORE HE WAS?

    The expression “firstborn from the dead” in reference to Christ has caused some people a little confusion. Obviously, Jesus was not the first one to be resurrected. Besides Moses in the Old Testame…[Read more]

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    Danny , don’t let Mike use you as his mouth piece here.  What happened to him,  he deserved,  Proclaimer was not left with any other options, he was bring this whole site down with his stupidity.  Let Mike go peddel his BS , somewhere else IMO.

    Peace and love to you and yours Danny………gene

     

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    Proclaimer ……I am glad the site is now going up in viewers ,  i believe if we all give our open and honest , dialogy of our understandings of things,  This site will grow,  we need to all get back to the scriptures and not get to much caught up into  the thibgs of this world this world.

    Because of all the years of false teachings being  intr…[Read more]

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    To all…….Up or down alway is from your location when you precieve it.  Your up or down many not be where mine is, neither your right or left. ,  your right might be my left from where yoy are at, same with your up or down, they are all relative point from your position.

    Peace and love to you all.

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    Thanks for the post LU.

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    The words up and down are relative terms. Do you think it is possible for “down” to refer to the direction towards the center of the earth for those living on earth? Do you think it possible for “up” to be opposite that , i.e. away from the center of the earth? If so, the globe with it’s magnetic core makes it possible for people on the other sid…

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    Was there a time when the Father was not the “Father?”

    It’s possible.

    He is the Father of all Spirits.

    So was there a time when he was the only Spirit.

    Well if he is the Father and all others are sons or children, then it doesn’t fit that a son or child is as old as God so to speak.

    But the scriptures talk about the beginning. Not about bef…[Read more]

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    All I can say Danny is you were not given a scientific mind. That is alright. as long as you love and serve God.

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    Danny Dabbs,

    The words up and down are relative terms. Do you think it is possible for “down” to refer to the direction towards the center of the earth for those living on earth? Do you think it possible for “up” to be opposite that , i.e. away from the center of the earth? If so, the globe with it’s magnetic core makes it possible for people on…[Read more]

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