@Berean,

You give Danny and amen for writing nothing; but no response with our discussion concerning Sa-tan.

Did you ever find the passage where the Messiah was to be buried and raised up on the third day in the OT? Remember, this is “according to scripture” says Paul.

@Danny

What a fascinating response, nowhere in anything you said did you point out what I “lied” about. Did I lie when I repeated what Paul said to the church in Corinth about “robbing” other churches? Do you not take issue with him saying he robbed other churches?!? (II Cor 11:8)

Paul states, “For all the law is fulfilled in one word[Read more]

Amen DD

God bless

@ desiretruth,

Apostle Paul was not a liar.
YOU are the liar!
1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?
He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

@Berean,

you: “Don’t you see that God, speaking to the Serpent, addresses first the animal, then the devil….

It’s clear though… isn’t it?”

me: I suppose when you ignore that pesky “and” you can see the second part as being referencing “the devil.” Unfortunately when you understand grammar, know how grammar works, and appropriate…[Read more]

@ Desire Truth

You

You say the serpent was not cursed with death, how is having its head crushed not certain death?

me

Don’t you see that God, speaking to the Serpent, addresses first the animal, then the devil….

It’s clear though… isn’t it?

v.14
serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou…[Read more]

@Danny,

I see nothing “dangerous” in what Jodi wrote; explain why you believe what she is saying is dangerous. A quote in the NT attributed a few scribes accusing Jesus of being possessed by “Beelzebub” doesn’t explain anything.

Beelzebub (Baal-zebub) means “lord of the flies”, is the god of the Philistine city Ekron, and is first mentioned in…[Read more]

@Berean,

I’m not going to focus on every response, but just a few that really jump out as being patently false and why believing something doesn’t make it truth.

you:

verse 14 suggests that God spoke to the serpent (the animal)

It may seem unfair that God cursed him (although not with death)

but since God cursed him, there is a rea…[Read more]

Hi Danny,

YOU: Yes, Job did complain and repented but he never cursed God.
Job 2:9-10
Then his wife said to him, “Do you still hold fast to your integrity? Curse God and die!”
But he said to her, “You speak as one of the foolish women speaks. Shall we indeed accept good from God, and shall we not accept adversity?” In all this Job did not sin wit…[Read more]

@ Désire Truth

You

Does your “belief” explain why Eve had no problem talking to the serpent?

me
The Bible, as far as I know, doesn’t say if this caused him a problem….
Still, Eve entered into dialogue….
I still think she must have been surprised to hear a snake talking, and not just about anything!

you

Does your belief explain why it is w…[Read more]

@Berean,

you: “Honestly I believe that EITHER Satan used this serpent (he made it his medium) to get Eve to sin against God’s order.”

me: So you “believe” Sa-tan possessed the creature and made it “entice” Eve to take and eat the fruit. Does your “belief” explain why Eve had no problem speaking with the serpent? Does your belief explain wh…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

Oh, what you are saying is very dangerous.
My question to you: Who is Satan in Mark 3:22-30? (AKJV)
22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils. 23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? 24 And if a…[Read more]

@Desire Truth

Honestly I believe that EITHER Satan used this serpent (he made it his medium) to get Eve to sin against God’s order.
EITHER Satan transformed himself into a serpent to better deceive Eve.
But I am more in favor of the first option!
Be careful with Satan, if God allows him, he is capable of hypnotizing anyone, man or animal, and…[Read more]

@Berean,

The passage of Gen 3:1 tells us a “serpent” spoke to Eve. Verse 1 also states this “serpent” was more cunning than all the beasts of the field God made. Is this “serpent” Sa-tan, is Sa-tan a created beast of the field, was this serpent somehow “possessed” by Sa-tan, or was this “serpent” a higher level of beast created?

This is act…[Read more]

Hey Jodi
Who tempted Eve in the Garden of Eden?

Hi Berean,

I hope you and Danny as well can continue the debate about fallen angels in the enmity thread as it would be more appropriate to continue over there.

I will give in this post however the following,

Satan = adversary – not fallen angel (God’s faithful messengers and humans are called adversaries in scripture)

Devil=…[Read more]

@jodi

Hi Jodi,

Yes, Job did complain and repented but he never cursed God.
Job 2:9-10
Then his wife said to him, “Do you still hold fast to your integrity? Curse God and die!”
But he said to her, “You speak as one of the foolish women speaks. Shall we indeed accept good from God, and shall we not accept adversity?” In all this Job did not sin…[Read more]

I have not seen this information, so I appreciate the heads-up.  When I get some free time, I’ll look over the info again.

Alternatively, I’ve published my own musings / conclusions about the Trinity, which take the additional step of trying to formulate a Biblical picture of Father, Son, and Spirit that stands in contrast to the doctrine of the…[Read more]

@Proclaimer: I do not.  I have tried for almost 30 years to find clear evidence of “three persons in the Godhead” from Scripture, and it simply isn’t there.  Not a single verse proclaims this “essential truth”.  It is a framework extrapolated from Scripture, constructed over 300+years of debate and speculation on the nature of Christ, and was ulti…

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