Hi Danny,

YOU: Yes, Job did complain and repented but he never cursed God.
Job 2:9-10
Then his wife said to him, “Do you still hold fast to your integrity? Curse God and die!”
But he said to her, “You speak as one of the foolish women speaks. Shall we indeed accept good from God, and shall we not accept adversity?” In all this Job did not sin wit…[Read more]

@ Désire Truth

You

Does your “belief” explain why Eve had no problem talking to the serpent?

me
The Bible, as far as I know, doesn’t say if this caused him a problem….
Still, Eve entered into dialogue….
I still think she must have been surprised to hear a snake talking, and not just about anything!

you

Does your belief explain why it is w…[Read more]

@Berean,

you: “Honestly I believe that EITHER Satan used this serpent (he made it his medium) to get Eve to sin against God’s order.”

me: So you “believe” Sa-tan possessed the creature and made it “entice” Eve to take and eat the fruit. Does your “belief” explain why Eve had no problem speaking with the serpent? Does your belief explain wh…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

Oh, what you are saying is very dangerous.
My question to you: Who is Satan in Mark 3:22-30? (AKJV)
22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils. 23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? 24 And if a…[Read more]

@Desire Truth

Honestly I believe that EITHER Satan used this serpent (he made it his medium) to get Eve to sin against God’s order.
EITHER Satan transformed himself into a serpent to better deceive Eve.
But I am more in favor of the first option!
Be careful with Satan, if God allows him, he is capable of hypnotizing anyone, man or animal, and…[Read more]

@Berean,

The passage of Gen 3:1 tells us a “serpent” spoke to Eve. Verse 1 also states this “serpent” was more cunning than all the beasts of the field God made. Is this “serpent” Sa-tan, is Sa-tan a created beast of the field, was this serpent somehow “possessed” by Sa-tan, or was this “serpent” a higher level of beast created?

This is act…[Read more]

Hey Jodi
Who tempted Eve in the Garden of Eden?

Hi Berean,

I hope you and Danny as well can continue the debate about fallen angels in the enmity thread as it would be more appropriate to continue over there.

I will give in this post however the following,

Satan = adversary – not fallen angel (God’s faithful messengers and humans are called adversaries in scripture)

Devil=…[Read more]

@jodi

Hi Jodi,

Yes, Job did complain and repented but he never cursed God.
Job 2:9-10
Then his wife said to him, “Do you still hold fast to your integrity? Curse God and die!”
But he said to her, “You speak as one of the foolish women speaks. Shall we indeed accept good from God, and shall we not accept adversity?” In all this Job did not sin…[Read more]

I have not seen this information, so I appreciate the heads-up.  When I get some free time, I’ll look over the info again.

Alternatively, I’ve published my own musings / conclusions about the Trinity, which take the additional step of trying to formulate a Biblical picture of Father, Son, and Spirit that stands in contrast to the doctrine of the…[Read more]

@Proclaimer: I do not.  I have tried for almost 30 years to find clear evidence of “three persons in the Godhead” from Scripture, and it simply isn’t there.  Not a single verse proclaims this “essential truth”.  It is a framework extrapolated from Scripture, constructed over 300+years of debate and speculation on the nature of Christ, and was ulti…

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Hi Berean,

Thanks for giving your more in depth belief, but I am sure you are not surprised to hear that I find major fault with it for a number of scriptural reasons.

YOU: All intelligent beings were created free to choose between obedience or disobedience to the great principles of truth, righteousness, and love. Lucifer (meaning…[Read more]

Hi Danny,

When was the last time you read through the book of Job?

Job 42: 1 Then Job answered the LORD, and said, 2 I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee. 3 Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew…[Read more]

@ Jodi

What does it say if you can enter into God’s heavenly abode but then still be able to fall?

Me

Origin of Evil and the Fall of Lucifer

“God is love.” His nature, His law, His government, His dealings with man, and every one of His manifestations are expressions of His love. 1 John 4:16. And God’s love is associated with other qu…[Read more]

@ Jodi

Please explain Berean, do you believe a fallen angel was in heaven as in God’s abode, but then was cast out?

Me

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And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more👉 in heaven.👈
And the great dragon was cast o…[Read more]

@jodi

Hi Jodi,

You: The adversary in the book of Job was not a FALSE accuser…

Me: He was. Job stayed faithful to God and didn’t curse Him, as Satan said he would.

Anyway, I had to respond to your false statement.

God bless

Hi Berean,

Actually I am going to post on the fairly recent thread I started about the Enmity as this is exactly what I hoped to get into so we could identify the devil to which Christ destroyed through his death.

Hi Berean,

Thanks for engaging with me on this topic.

I hope you will continue and I will post bringing up an old thread specifically on this topic.

Hi Berean,

YOU: Why do you set aside the passages which clearly state that Satan , the devil, is the fallen angels who have been deceiving the world from the beginning?

ME: “clearly state”?  Isaiah 14 does not contain the words “Satan” “devil” or “fallen angel”, though the king of Babylon could be called an adversary/saw-tawn for sure and…[Read more]