Rev.17
And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her…[Read more]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y_62NRyNDw

From Bethlehem

https://www.tiktok.com/@woodsowned/video/7289927330951253294?lang=en

Proclaimer.

Hi.
I can’t believe that prophecy is playing out before your eyes, but they are closed.
Jerusalem /Judea (Palestine) are surrounded with enemies (the antichrist Zionists so called Israel, and the Beast of Revelation (The U.S and Israel) are killing the Holy Church (Palestinian Christians with their Muslim brothers and sisters), and…[Read more]

Hi DT,

I have not found one scripture in the bible that actually substantiates there are wicked celestial messengers rebelling against God nor play any part of human life on earth.

This is one very telling truth about angels from the bible,

Luke 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the…[Read more]

Hi DT,

ang’-el-os in the NT is used to speak of human messengers ALSO.

According to Strong’s the word means messenger and could be applied to both celestial messengers OR HUMAN messengers. 

a messenger, envoy, one who is sent, an angel, a messenger from God

Matthew 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger…[Read more]

Humans start with flat and then progress to curves
Posting this to watch later. Looks good so far, but can’t vouch for that once I have watched the whole thing.

@Jodi,

You quote II Pet 2 and verse 4 you state:

“Verse 4 is not talking about celestial messengers it is talking about God’s messengers the prophets who sinned.”

Except when looking up the word angel the Greek ἀγγέλων means “a messenger, angel” and according to Strong’s the understanding of this passage is “Certain of the angels have proved fa…[Read more]

Hi DT,

I think a good starting point is looking at definitions.

As for “Free Will” – the ability or discretion to choose; free choice, unforced choice.

I most definitely believe that people are given the freedom to make their own choices. I would be much happier if people just said we have “free choice”, then I wouldn’t have a…[Read more]

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@Jodi,

Briefly on freewill, it’s the idea/ablity to freely make decision in life – good or bad/right or wrong; otherwise we are stuck with the concept of “predestination” or is there another option? If we don’t have freewill, then surely the angels don’t either. If angels don’t have freewill, then satan and demons don’t have freewill and th…[Read more]

Hi All,

2 Peter 2

1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

When it comes to the prophetic VISION that John had we know that there is no literal dragon, no literal beasts, right? So why do you insist on making the dragon and his MESSENGERS/angelos be in literal heaven? How does this even make any sense when this is prophecy and you argue that in Isaiah 14 that your Lucifer, which actually has…[Read more]

@Berean,

you: “Satan (the great dragon OF Rev.12) is the great SPIRIT leader of the NWO which takes form with the beast (papacy) and the false prophet (apostate Protestantism/the beast which rises from the earth/USA)”

me: is this what you have been taught or can you substantiate this with scripture?

You quote Rev 17:14 and Jesus (the lamb), in…[Read more]

Hi DesireTruth,

Thanks for joining this thread!

Does seem like some clarification is in order.

Hebrew word “ra”

bad, evil
bad, disagreeable, malignant
bad, unpleasant, evil (giving pain, unhappiness, misery)
evil, displeasing
bad (of its kind – land, water, etc)
bad (of value)
worse than, worst (comparison)
sad, unhappy
evil (hurtful)
bad,…[Read more]

Hi Danny,

Thanks for your reply and looking at the content of Daniel more closely.

You say that doesn’t mean he  was a “good accuser”, but scripture doesn’t show that he was a wicked rebel spirit entity against God either. On the contrary, he was able to be in the presence of God, he asked God for permission and he followed God’s instructions.…[Read more]

@Jodi,

This is intriguing, you describe the angels as being under God’s control and doing HIS commands; in some cases, “creating evil.” If “evil” is from the hand of God, this would mean the “evil” we see and experience originates from God, by/through HIS angels. Am I understanding you correctly?

Is “sin” the “evil” God is speaking of in Isaiah…[Read more]