As for divine nature, it doesn’t make you God. Yes God has divine nature, but he shares his nature.

Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

If we can be divine and still not be God, then t…

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Alway remember Mike , Satan wants to always make Jesus appear to be “different” then we are , and his ministers do the same,  that is why they make him out to be a God.  The idea of a “PREEXISTING ” , JESUS is also another of his deceptions also.  It all works to move Jesus away from his human brother and sisters.  He does it through his doctrine…

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yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Mike, created is defined by this criteria.

1. Made by God
2. Through the Word

So how was the Word WITH God?

Was the Word created through the Word?

Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Berean: NOT CREATED BUT BEGOTTEN

What do you think begotten means?  It means a new life has come into existence… one that didn’t exist before he was begotten/brought forth/given birth/created/came into being, etc.

Who is our ONE Creator?

Berean: What You Say IS not written in The Bible….

BUT IT IS WRITTEN

AND THE WORD WAS GOD 

NOT A GOD 

There are none so blind as those who willingly choose not to see.

1808: “and the Word was a god“ – Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, Lo…[Read more]

@ Mike
….all things were created by him(Jésus), and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
And he(Jesus) is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 
Amen!

Mike

Jesus is a god because he is one of God’s spirit sons.

Me

What You Say IS not written in The Bible….

BUT IT IS WRITTEN

AND THE WORD WAS GOD 

NOT A GOD 

THE ONLY TRUE GOD IS THE FATHER

AND JESUS IS THE
ONLY 
BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD

NOT CREATED BUT
BEGOTTEN
 

 Gene

Proclaimer…..the word of God, “became”

became……came to pass , ……etc

Never is such language used to say that a prophecy comes true. It’s an excuse that Satan made a long time ago, since he no longer wants to bow down to the Son of God and God Himself.

The idea that the Hebrew culture and the Bible are strictly monotheistic is the furthest thing from the truth.  The Bible is loaded with all kinds of gods, some of them good, some of them evil.  And the Bible includes only one Most High God OF all the other gods. His name is YHWH, and He not only created us and the world in which we live, but He a…[Read more]

Gene:  Mike….you are right Jesus is the messenger who delivered What was given him from God the Father, and he delivered it to John another messenger of God , who delivered it to the Churches.  Just that simple,  Jesus is not an, angelic ” being”,  he is the “messenger”.

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Gene:  First of all , the word “I existed” is not in the text , Jesus said Before Abraham I am.

No Gene, not “before Abraham I am”, but “before Abraham CAME INTO EXISTENCE I am”.

“before Abraham GINOMAI, I am”   

And what does the Greek word “ginomai” mean, Gene?  Look it up for yourself, but here’s the definition of it:

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Mike….you are right Jesus is the messenger who delivered What was given him from God the Father, and he delivered it to John another messenger of God , who delivered it to the Churches.  Just that simple,  Jesus is not an, angelic ” being”,  he is the “messenger”.

peace and love to you and yours……….gene

Berean…

Revelation 1:1

This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon come to pass.

1. Is Jesus a messenger of God?

2. Is Jesus a spirit being now?

Angel:  A spirit messenger of God

Mike….. First of all , the word “I existed” is not in the text , Jesus said Before Abraham I am.

The word “before” used there does not imply a time period.  But a rank or position of importance. The Jews used their tie to Abraham as their position of their importance.  John the Baptist had the same problem with them, that is why he told the tha…[Read more]

Gene:  Satan wants you to believe Jesus didn’t come into his only true existence through a human birth process,  and therefore is not of the human race.

John 8:58

Very truly I tell you, before Abraham came into existence, I existed.

Gene, what did Jesus mean by those words?

Berean:  JESUS IS GOD BECAUSE HE IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. 

Jesus is a god because he is one of God’s spirit sons.  All of God’s spirit sons are gods.  Jesus is the first one that God brought forth into existence.  Besides, your claim is irrational.  The only begotten son of the human being King David will be a human, and may even someday…[Read more]

Berean: Hebrews 1 shows us the superiority of Christ over the angels (messengers)
why is Christ superior or greater?

It shows that Jesus BECAME as superior to the OTHER messengers of God as the name HIS GOD gave him was superior to theirs.  His God gave him that name because, as God’s holy servant, Jesus faithfully carried out God’s commandments o…[Read more]

Proclaimer…..the word of God, “became”

became……came to pass , God the Father own prophesied words came to pass, or “came to be”, it was the “flesh man” Jesus,  when His human mother gave birth to him.   That verse is not saying Jesus is Gods word himself,  It’s saying the words God spoke through his prophets came to pass, it was the [Read more]

Berean……let me paraphrase it for you OK?,  “Jesus is the “only” “born flesh and blood human being, to become a Son of God,” yet,   (the first of many) to come.

Satan wants you to believe Jesus didn’t come into his only true existence through a human birth process,  and therefore is not of the human race.  That is exactly what you false teachers…[Read more]