Mike

If for you Jesus only created a whip, well you have to worry …

Mike…….Even if we agree with you interpretation , about the word “ginomai ”  , where does that say he existed as a sentinel being of any kind before his birth on this earth?  sure Jesus existed before Abraham,  in the plan and will of God, the “man” Jesus was God’s whole purpose for all of “MANKIND ‘S ” existence  , He was GOD’S PURPOSE FOR AL…[Read more]

Adam…..I completely agree with that,  many force the text to say what it is not actually saying,  but with the guidance of the “SPIRIT OF TRUTH” given to those God has chosen , the truth will come forth.  Satan has done a good job of twisting the truth of God’s words by false translators , to disguise the truth about “the “man” Jesus the anointe…[Read more]

The idea that the Hebrew culture and the Bible are strictly monotheistic is the furthest thing from the truth.  The Bible is loaded with all kinds of gods, some of them good, some of them evil.  And the Bible includes only one Most High God OF all the other gods. His name is YHWH, and He not only created us and the world in which we live, but He…

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So there are many holes in Christian dòctrine of Atonement by Jesus the supposed Messiah?

Was blood atonement the only means of remission of sins?

Does Messiah have to die for redemption of sins?

As for divine nature, it doesn’t make you God. Yes God has divine nature, but he shares his nature.

Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

If we can be divine and still not be God, then t…

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Alway remember Mike , Satan wants to always make Jesus appear to be “different” then we are , and his ministers do the same,  that is why they make him out to be a God.  The idea of a “PREEXISTING ” , JESUS is also another of his deceptions also.  It all works to move Jesus away from his human brother and sisters.  He does it through his doctrine…

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yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Mike, created is defined by this criteria.

1. Made by God
2. Through the Word

So how was the Word WITH God?

Was the Word created through the Word?

Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Berean: NOT CREATED BUT BEGOTTEN

What do you think begotten means?  It means a new life has come into existence… one that didn’t exist before he was begotten/brought forth/given birth/created/came into being, etc.

Who is our ONE Creator?

Berean: What You Say IS not written in The Bible….

BUT IT IS WRITTEN

AND THE WORD WAS GOD 

NOT A GOD 

There are none so blind as those who willingly choose not to see.

1808: “and the Word was a god“ – Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, Lo…[Read more]

@ Mike
….all things were created by him(Jésus), and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
And he(Jesus) is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 
Amen!

Mike

Jesus is a god because he is one of God’s spirit sons.

Me

What You Say IS not written in The Bible….

BUT IT IS WRITTEN

AND THE WORD WAS GOD 

NOT A GOD 

THE ONLY TRUE GOD IS THE FATHER

AND JESUS IS THE
ONLY 
BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD

NOT CREATED BUT
BEGOTTEN
 

 Gene

Proclaimer…..the word of God, “became”

became……came to pass , ……etc

Never is such language used to say that a prophecy comes true. It’s an excuse that Satan made a long time ago, since he no longer wants to bow down to the Son of God and God Himself.

The idea that the Hebrew culture and the Bible are strictly monotheistic is the furthest thing from the truth.  The Bible is loaded with all kinds of gods, some of them good, some of them evil.  And the Bible includes only one Most High God OF all the other gods. His name is YHWH, and He not only created us and the world in which we live, but He a…[Read more]

Gene:  Mike….you are right Jesus is the messenger who delivered What was given him from God the Father, and he delivered it to John another messenger of God , who delivered it to the Churches.  Just that simple,  Jesus is not an, angelic ” being”,  he is the “messenger”.

Yes, Jesus is a messenger of his and our God.  But Jesus is also a spirit…[Read more]

Gene:  First of all , the word “I existed” is not in the text , Jesus said Before Abraham I am.

No Gene, not “before Abraham I am”, but “before Abraham CAME INTO EXISTENCE I am”.

“before Abraham GINOMAI, I am”   

And what does the Greek word “ginomai” mean, Gene?  Look it up for yourself, but here’s the definition of it:

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Mike….you are right Jesus is the messenger who delivered What was given him from God the Father, and he delivered it to John another messenger of God , who delivered it to the Churches.  Just that simple,  Jesus is not an, angelic ” being”,  he is the “messenger”.

peace and love to you and yours……….gene