@Lightenup,

You didn’t answer this question:

So what does G-d mean when he says of Solomon “I will make his dynasty permanent” or “I will grant to his dynasty permanent rule over Israel”?

Who’s dynasty will be made permanent and who made the promise?

@Lightenup,

1. “God sent His Son” — Tanakh foundation

The Tanakh repeatedly speaks of a divine figure sent by God who is distinct from God yet shares His nature.

– Prov 30:4 — “What is His name, and what is His Son’s name, if you know?”

Explain how Prov 30:4 is a reference for God sending His Son; and how the Jesus is shown to be “a divine figur…[Read more]

@DesireTruth

It’s the desire and love of God and His truth that takes me where I go, not stubbornness nor fear.

@Lightenup,

My apologizes, I said things that you weren’t privy to in the past as you weren’t apart of those conversations. Most everything you just stated I have commented on. The only personal thing I asked was is it fear or stubbornness that keeps you where you are; nothing more, nothing less. If you feel this is a personal attack, it is not…[Read more]

@DesireTruth

I’m going to stay with the text and ignore the personal comments. You asked for Tanakh support for the statements I made, so here are the passages.

1. “God sent His Son” — Tanakh foundation
The Tanakh repeatedly speaks of a divine figure sent by God who is distinct from God yet shares His nature.

– Prov 30:4 — “What is His name,…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

God the Father sent His only begotten Son into the world as a bond servant, fully man while still remaining eternally divine, as the promised Messiah. Born of the seed of Abraham through Mary who married Joseph. The Messiah is sitting at the right hand of the Father who will put all His enemies under His feet.

You didn’t answer, is i…[Read more]

@DesireTruth

God the Father sent His only begotten Son into the world as a bond servant, fully man while still remaining eternally divine,  as the promised Messiah. Born of the seed of Abraham through Mary who married Joseph. The Messiah is sitting at the right hand of the Father who will put all His enemies under His feet.

@Lightenup,

So what does G-d mean when he says of Solomon “I will make his dynasty permanent” or “I will grant to his dynasty permanent rule over Israel”?

@DesireTruth

Jesus is a legal heir to the dynasty, Jesus is a biological heir of David.

Both are true.

@Kieth,

You responded to Lightenup with the following:

It is prophesied that Jesus would come through Davids lineage, Solomon is his Davids son.

Absolutely!

It could be any son of Davids.

NOT AT ALL!! Read 2 Samuel 7:12 When the time comes for you to die, I will raise up your descendant, one of your own sons, to succeed you, and I will establish…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

Please re-read “He will build a house for my name, and I will make his dynasty permanent.” The one who built the Temple is the same whose dynasty will be permanent…it is speaking of Solomon and no other son.

Again it says, “He will build a temple to honor me; he will become my son, and I will become his father. I will grant to hi…[Read more]

@Keith

I don’t believe that we have communicated before now. Nice to “meet” you. Do you agree that Jesus is a son in Solomon’s line legally by adoption with Joseph and biologically through Nathan and eventually through Mary?

Lightenup–It is prophesied that Jesus would come through Davids lineage, Solomon is his Davids son. It could be any son of Davids. As long as its Davids lineage. Solomon was king though, so it may be through his line because of that.

@DesireTruth

Thanks for the detailed reply. Let’s slow the discussion down and keep it text‑based. You’re arguing that the passages in Samuel and Chronicles prove the Messiah must come *biologically* through Solomon and cannot come through any other son of David. I’m going to show, from the Tanakh itself, why that conclusion goes beyond what th…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

1. “Messiah must come through Solomon, not Nathan.”
The Tanakh never states that requirement. The promises to David in 2 Samuel 7 and 1 Chronicles 22 establish a dynasty, not a single-branch requirement. Later prophets describe the future ruler as:
– “a shoot from the stump of Jesse” (Isa 11:1)
– “a righteous Branch for David” (Jer 2…

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@DesireTruth
Thanks for the detailed reply. Let me respond to your points using the Tanakh itself, since that’s the standard you’re asking for.

1. “Messiah must come through Solomon, not Nathan.”
The Tanakh never states that requirement. The promises to David in 2 Samuel 7 and 1 Chronicles 22 establish a dynasty, not a single-branch require…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

Jesus is biologically the seed of David through Mary whose father provides the tribal lineage.

Now we’re going in circles and you’re parroting what you have been told is truth. You still haven’t explained how Mary can be used for lineage when her lineage is traced back to David thru Nathan and who did G-d say the Messiah was to be a…[Read more]

@DesireTruth

Jesus is biologically the seed of David through Mary whose father provides the tribal lineage.

You asked:

What is the Messiah to do when he comes and can you prove using the Tanakh the Jesus fulfilled what the true Messiah was to do when he came?

According to the Tanakh, the Messiah must be a Davidic king born in Bethlehem, a…[Read more]

@Lightenup,

“what ‘thought’ do I want to address?”

That’s a loaded question!

When we previously left off we were discussing how the Jesus could be the true Messiah. He wasn’t conceived of man, but of the spirit according to Matthew and Luke. You claim that thru adoption the Jesus can be the Messiah; yet, it was G-d who said the Messiah wou…[Read more]

Anyone have any thoughts in response to the OP?