Adam:  Hi brother Gene, Your example of Persian King Cyrus with Jesus the supposed Messiah is quite amazing. In fact Second (Deutero) Isaiah quoted him as Messiah (Anointed) in Chap 45.

You sound surprised about that.  The Bible is filled with many messiahs/christs of God.

Proclaimer:  Let me educate you…  Up means higher. Higher doesn’t always mean against gravity. 

Please do educate me, O wise one who can’t even answer simple questions that have been repeatedly asked.  Yes, the word “higher” (which means above something else) is often idiomatically used as “better”.  For example, if you wanted to say that a Pors…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

Carmel:  37As the Lord hath been with my lord the king,

so be he with Solomon, and make his throne higher than the throne of my lord king David.  

Mike, JESUS RIGHT NOW IS THE HIGHEST, HIGHER THAN GOD ALMIGHTY…

YOU: Nonsense.  None could be higher than the Most High God of gods.

SO ACCORDING TO YOU, I AM TELLING A LIE NO?[Read more]

Proclaimer:I’ll play along with the 2 dimensional analogy.

The holy city has a gate in the east, west, north, and south.

That doesn’t change anything, since the owner of the forest and his 24 managers sit on their thrones which are right outside of the EAST gate ONLY.   So now… can you look north towards the owner and his managers?  Can you…[Read more]

A father begins to be a father at the moment his son begins to be a son. In regards to God, his essence was eternal and became both father and son at the same instant.

Mike

Globaly I agree yours WORDS,

but know that to save mankind, God needed someone who was EQUAL TO HIMSELF, HIS OWN SON.
Romans 8: 3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his OWN SON in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Hebrews1: 3 …. Who being the brightness…[Read more]

Berean: The FATHER IS bigger the Son IN AGE, NOT IN GLOBAL POWER

You’re getting there, brother.  The Father is bigger than the Son in age because the Father is uncreated – while the Son had a beginning.  That’s a big step right there.  As for the “global power” part, Jesus himself tells us the Father is more powerful (and knows more) than hi…[Read more]

Berean: It’s as if you deny that a human son begotten by his human father, IS NOT HUMAN

That’s a tricky double negative there.  I do indeed DENY that a human son is NOT human. 😁  Just kidding… I know what you meant.  What I deny is that the son of a human king who can raise people from the dead would automatically be a human king who could raise…[Read more]

Berean:   Meditate on it

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high…

I have meditated on it for many years, and even your own verse above teaches you what I’m trying to s…[Read more]

Adam:  This is the big mythology created by the writer of Fourth Gospel stating that the so called Messiah came down from heaven for which there is no proof in the Hebrew Bible.

You don’t accept the proof in the OT that I’ve given you because you, like so many others, wish to tell the scriptures what to teach instead of allowing them to teach…[Read more]

Mike,

Fyi, John 16:28 doesn’t have ego eimi (I am) in it so you are not comparing apples to apples when you compare to the I am of John 8:58.

See the difference:

Gene: We all came from heaven , yes all humanity has. 

 

Carmel:  You are completely lost , Gene, and ignoring completely PURE CLEAR SCRIPTUR! Read;

John 8:23 And he said to them:

You are from beneath,
I am from above.
You are of this world,
I am not of this world. 

Excellent use of scripture to directly contradict what Gene said.  Gene, you…[Read more]

Gene, regarding what you wrote here:

“the human root and offspring of king David “

My response was:

Please show me where that is in the Bible specifically with the word “human.”

Your response doesn’t give me the verse that says that Jesus is the “human root” as you suggest. You did not give me a verse but instead you answer by suggesting that I…[Read more]

Adam,

I can link you to sites that says that Isaiah 53 is believed by some ancient Jews that it is Messianic. Have you read the book “Lord, Liar or Lunatic” by Josh McDowell?

Berean: I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. (John 16:28)

Another great scripture to help Gene see the whole truth.  On the other hand, it is also another great scripture to combat the misunderstanding of “I am” in John 8:58.  Notice the present tense “I am come into the wo…[Read more]

Mike: The One who is in a position to PUT all things under the other one is the One who is the most powerful.

Carmel:  the above is only human reasoning!

YOU: As opposed to what?  Do you possess some sort of non-human reasoning capabilities of which we are not aware?

AND HOW! ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO DISCUSS THE TRUTH OF JESUS OF WHICH IT’S N…[Read more]

Berean:  This is its human origin that nobody here ignores …. But you put aside its divine origin to your disadvantage because if you believed it would open the horizon for you ….

For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. (John 6:38)

Very well said!  I have tried to say the same to Gene and Jodi befor…[Read more]

Mike: The other one will never have as much power as the One who put all things under him.

 

Carmel: NOT PERFECT THIS TIME, IN FACT IT’S A LIE!

I guess we’d better consult our resident “Peacekeeper of the Forum” about this one.

Hey @Proclaimer, Carmel disagrees with a statement I made.  He doesn’t personally consider my statement to be ac…[Read more]

Mike:  The One who is in a position to PUT all things under the other one is the One who is the most powerful. 

 

Carmel:  PERFECT Mike! FROM A HUMAN’S POINT OF VIEW!

We are both human, and therefore only have a human’s point of view.  Even if an angel came to you and prophesied some future event, you would only be able to understand it from…[Read more]

LU: Gene,

The Hebrew word adonai is not found in Psalm110:1.

Gene, Kathi is right about this.  The Hebrew word that English translators render as “LORD” with all caps is what’s known as the tetragrammaton – the four Hebrew consonants that Hebrew writers used in place of the personal and proper name of the Most High God.  Those consonants tr…[Read more]