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John 1:1

John 20:28

Notice the definite article where Thomas says “the Lord of me and the God of me” in the interlinear below. He is referring to Jesus, btw.

The words that Thomas’ spoke to Jesus literally mean ‘the Lord of me and the God of me’. This is simply an address to two identities. If Thomas wanted to say that Jesus was Lord and God too, he would have said:…[Read more]

To all,

If we do not believe that 1) Jesus is the One who is called by John “The Word” in the beginning, and
2) that he was God (v.1), we are on quicksand and we will not be able to believe that he created all things (v.2)

IF JESUS IS NOT GOD (John1-Heb.1: 3) IN THE BEGINNING AND NOTHING CREATED ANYTHING (John1: 3), HE CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO BE…[Read more]

Proclaimer

And the Word WAS “THEOS”

The context, you admit it means “DIVINE”
Now, HEBREWS 1: 3, HOW ARE YOU INTERPRETING?

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person,

DO YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO IS ACCORDING TO HEBREWS 1 EXCEPT THE SON OF GOD?

THE BRIGTNESS OF HIS GLORY, AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON (ESSENC…

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The Trinity. “Three persons, one substance”. Thus the substance is the one true God (He) and three persons (they) qualify as being in the club. The Binity is similar, but without the third member. Further, there are many takes on the Trinity.

Adam,

Was Jesus a liar or a lunatic according to you? Do you have an opinion? You certainly don’t believe that Jesus is Lord. It is a valid question no matter who has asked it before. Please answer.

Thanks, LU

Proclaimer:

You said: God has divine nature, but many doctrines argue that divine nature has God

Me: Name a doctrine that says that.

Proclaimer,

Proclaimer said to Berean: Using that measuring stick, then angels and men are also God. Theos without the definite article just like John 1:1c means a qualitative interpretation rather than a literal one identifying a person.

Using your measuring stick, Jesus is most certainly literally God and Lord.

Notice the definite article where…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

YOU: GOD IS BIGGER THAN THE SON…

Two persons.  Only one of them is THE God.  The other is THE God’s holy servant, Jesus.

Mike, YOU ARE BRILLIANT! JUST MESSING WITH YOU!

Now just read what your human reasoning says:

WHEN WE SAY:

A SKYSCRAPER IS BIGGER THAN A HOUSE!

WE WOULD KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT!

WHEN WE SAY:

THE ATLAN…[Read more]

Proclaimer

And the Word WAS “THEOS”

The context, you admit it means “DIVINE”
Now, HEBREWS 1: 3, HOW ARE YOU INTERPRETING?

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person,

DO YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO IS ACCORDING TO HEBREWS 1 EXCEPT THE SON OF GOD?

THE BRIGTNESS OF HIS GLORY, AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON (ESSENCE)

Proclaimer,

I think you meant this comment for me:

Proclaimer: But God is a HIM and HE. A committee of persons with divine nature are not God and would certainly not be addressed as HE or HIM.

LU:Then Israel is not a collective noun because God refers to Israel with the singular pronouns of him and he and the singular noun firstborn son.

Then…[Read more]

Gene

You are very nice, but I think there is no point in trying to convince myself of something that I do not believe.
The bible teaches that the Son of God, named by John: “THE WORD” was God (Theos) in the beginning (John1: 1) and that he was made flesh (v.14) This is what I believe .

Proclaimer

You are wrong

The bible Say  That the son OF God IS “THEOS “AND THAT THE FATHER IS “THE THEOS” (JOHN 1)

Using that measuring stick, then angels and men are also God. Theos without the definite article just like John 1:1c means a qualitative interpretation rather than a literal one  identifying a person.

Hi Proclaimer, sorry it’s not I who mentioned about the Word. Please refer my post to Gene which you  have replied.

Fair enough gadam. But I will say that you make the argument here that the New Testament is inconsistent in that it teaches he is God then a man etc.

In actual fact the New Testament is consistent whether it is true or not. Here is…[Read more]

Proclaimer……… God is Spirit and he is Devine nature,  he can “indwell”  us and then we become partakers of that Devine nature also,  but as you said , none of that makes us a God,  the same applies to Jesus .

“Now if the spirit of him who raised Jesus from the Grave be dwell in you , he who raised Christ Jesus from the grave will also quicken y…[Read more]

Berean……The bible says,   “But unto us (true believers) there is but “ONE” GOD, and “ONE”  MEDIATOR,  between me and God,  the “MAN” Jesus Christ.

You say Jesus is a God,  but God said in Isiah he look for another God and found NONE. He also said , “HE ALONE WAS GOD AND THERE WAS NO OTHER GOD.” SCRIPTURE, ALSO SAID,  “for God is “NOT” a man…[Read more]

Proclaimer

You are wrong

The bible Say  That the son OF God IS “THEOS “AND THAT THE FATHER IS “THE THEOS” (JOHN 1)

The Son IS “THEOS” BECAUSE HE IS THE OWN SON OF GOD( THE THEOS)

WHO IS THE GOD IN PERSONALITY?

ANSWER:THE FATHER OF JESUS CHRIST.

GOD THE FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD AND HE IS GOD IN NATURE.

JESUS CHRIST IS THE OWN SON OF…[Read more]

I should add this.

Many think God is a nature or substance. So all who have that nature are God.

But God is a HIM and HE. A committee of persons with divine nature are not God and would certainly not be addressed as HE or HIM.

Here is the truth.

God is the Father. Jesus is his Son. We are the Sons of God. Jesus calls us brethren. God calls…[Read more]

God has divine nature, but many teach divine nature has God
Here is a difference between identity and nature. You can change your nature, but you are still you. For example, the Son of God was divine, but he emptied himself and came in the flesh. Yet, regardless of nature, he was still the Son of God.

Yet doctrines like the Trinity define God…[Read more]