If so, then the essence in God is the same in age as the essence in His Son.

See it is true. The Trinity / Binity treat God as a substance or essense.

But God is a person / identity.

As I said earlier, “God has divine nature, but many teach divine nature has God” and you have proved my point.

The Father is God.

The Son is a son of God.

The…[Read more]

God is eternal, was God always a father?

If so, then God always had a son.

If not, then is it remotely possible that God asexually reproduced?

If God asexually reproduced, is it possible that God took from Himself essence that always was in Himself and then gave it to another one just like Himself?

If so, then the essence in God is the same in…[Read more]

Thanks for the list Adam. Have the Jews found their Messiah yet according to you? What has to happen before they he comes?

Adam: Yes he will not be an old man as you rightly pointed out but he will certainly be a warrior prince. It will be an end time Messianic kingdom where the Israelites will live there forever with their children and grandchildren and David will be their prince forever. I think this is possible with resurrection beliefs in the Hebrew religion. It…

[Read more]

Well put Mike.

Hi Gene,

YOU: ADAM……I also believe that the biggest myth of all,  is thinking Jesus preexisted his birth on this earth.

ME: Gene I don’t think whether Jesus pre-existed or not 

I AM CONVINCED THAT HE PRE-EXISTED!

NOT ONLY HIM BUT ALL HUMANS DID AS SPIRITS.

YOU: Jesus never address himself as having an actual personal past relationship with…[Read more]

Berean: The bible Say  That the son OF God IS “THEOS “AND THAT THE FATHER IS “THE THEOS” (JOHN 1)

The Son IS “THEOS” BECAUSE HE IS THE OWN SON OF GOD( THE THEOS)

The Bible also says that Satan is theos…

2 Cor 4:4… The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the g…[Read more]

Mike:  Adam, is your coming messiah, who will be a regular old human being in every possible way, going to live forever?

Adam:  Yes he will not be an old man as you rightly pointed out but he will certainly be a warrior prince. It will be an end time Messianic kingdom where the Israelites will live there forever with their children and gr…

[Read more]

LU:  I will add that not only did the sonship have a beginning but the fathership would have as well at the same moment…

Dirt was not eternal, it was created. There was a time when dirt was not.

I hope that helps.

There was a time when dirt was not, and there was a time when the firstborn son of God was not – as you yourself have acknowledged…[Read more]

LU:  Not applicable since God is spirit, not a spirit.

God is a person, an entity.  Since He is qualitatively spirit, he is, by definition, a spirit.  Just like one who is qualitatively canine is a dog, one who is qualitatively feline is a cat, one who is qualitatively homo sapien is a man, and one who is qualitatively deus is a god.

John 4:24 Ki…[Read more]

SINCE GOD IS OMNIPOTENT, WHY THEN MAKE A MIRACLE FOR HIS SON TO CREATE THE UNIVERSE WHEN HE CAN EVERYTHING.
THIS THESIS DOESN’T STAND UP … (that’s my opinion)

THEN IN THE CASE ( This is what I believe)  OR GOD HAS CREATED EVERYTHING BY HIS OMNIPOTENT WORKER, WHY WOULD HE CHOOSE TO ACT SO ????

MY ANSWER IS THAT GOD NEEDS A SON (OMNIPOTENT) BUT…[Read more]

LU:  The Bible does not say that we “inherit” divine nature. We will share in divine nature meaning we will put on the righteousness of Christ and change from being corruptible to incorruptible.

2 Peter 1:4… you may become (1)partakers of the (2)divine (3)nature

1) a sharer, partner

2) deity

3) genus, nature

It means some of us will shar…[Read more]

Well first of all, how do we know the Father even has that ability – since according to you the Father has never created a universe?  

Mike,

Since according to you God performed a miracle for his Son to create the universe, it is because HE HAS IN HIM THE POWER TO CREATE EVERYTHING AND THEREFORE HE WOULD HAVE TRANSFERRED TO HIS SON. So I hav…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  The fourth gospel says that the Word was divine. There is no definite article in the last mention of theos.

The lack of definite article says the logos was a god – not that he was “divine”.  John 1:1 tells of someone called the logos who was with THE god, and was himself a god (but not THE god he was with).

Berean:  His sonship HAD a BEGINNING but not His DIVINE NATURE WHICH HAD NO BEGINNING AND NO END.

LU:  Amen Berean

When the elect partake in the divine nature shared by Jesus and his God, will they all of a sudden become people who had no beginning or no end?  Or will they remain people who did once have a beginning?

If it is the latter, then it…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  If the Son was not first then who was the first to be with God?

This is a very good point that you’ve made here for years.  If we assume that Jesus is God, then there would have to be a very first son that this combo God brought forth into existence, right?  And as ComboGod’s firstborn son, surely we’d be told about him, right?

In th…[Read more]

Carmel:  THERE ARE MANY SCRIPTURES WHICH TO ME AND TO MANY OTHERS, EVEN IN THE OT, THOUGH NOT SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED  THE TITLE “GODMAN”

Neither that title nor the idea is mentioned in any scripture.  Jesus was a god in heaven alongside his own God before the world began. Then Jesus was a man on earth.  Now Jesus is a god again who sits at the rig…[Read more]

Mike:  So then “divinity” doesn’t necessarily mean “omniscient”?

 

Berean: You do not understand
Jesus put aside his divine attributes to live the human way
On earth, he received through the Spirit of the Father what he had to say and do and therefore he depended entirely on his Father.

I understand what you said – and agree with it.  But I’…[Read more]

Berean: Mike

God did not perform a miracle through his Son to create the universe.

What we know from scripture is that God did the miracles on earth through Jesus… and that God created the heaven, the earth, the sea, and everything in them through Jesus.

Hebrews 1:1-2… In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  How come it doesn’t say the god Jesus met a woman at a well. Or the god Jesus died for us. And in Heaven he is not described as a god with eyes like fire.

That’s like asking why the word “god” isn’t included in every mention of YHWH… or even Satan – who we know is “the god of this world”.  But let me reverse it on you… If Jesus [Read more]